Confirmed with Link: Sharks claim Goodrow from NYR

[coooldude]

It makes the organization look bad, particularly if they want to project an image of being player friendly.

I think your prev post might be right -- given what we have seen from Grier, I wouldn't be surprised if he or Goodrow mentions publicly that before we claimed him on waivers, Grier called him up and asked if he would be OK playing for us, if not, we'll let him get bought out. For all the reasons you mentioned (avoiding lost salary, maybe an oppty to be a mentor to young stars), maybe he said sure and is OK/"excited" for it.

Saves the "this is bullshit to do to Goodrow" argument and turns it into "this is player friendly" again. Still doesn't mean it's a good team move.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

So much overreaction here. It's very entertaining. Keep on going guys!!! 3.6 over 3 who cares. It's possible he gets traded at the Deadline and even if not we have to spent.

They didn't have to spend it on Goodrow. This line of thinking would have us just be and feel lucky that we can acquire anyone at any price tag.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Fine. Then why did the Rangers (who are in contention) waive a such a valuable, experienced 4th liner who is signed to a contract ever so slightly above market? Does anybody have Drury’s HF handle? Would love to ask him.

The Rangers are about to give their goalie an $11 million per year extension they are trying to win now and need to maximize every dollar of the cap.

 

[coooldude]

Overall, I think we're still in the Trash Goblin era of the rebuild ("One man's trash is another man's treasure"). I am still holding out hope for some bigger UFA fish landed and we can start to see the team take shape. However I'm not expecting it. I expect more Trash Goblin. Top 3 pick, here we come.

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

I think SJ was on Goodrow's no trade list.

I understand that, nothing stopping the future consideration trades fro happening with the condition that Grier picked up Barclays off of waivers. Grier is just inept when it comes to trades

 

[ChompChomp]

It makes the organization look bad, particularly if they want to project an image of being player friendly.

I think it would make him look bad to retire instead of playing for the Sharks, instead of making the Sharks look bad that a waiver claim who is a 4th liner retired instead of rejoining the team that gave him his break.

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

GMs help each other out all the time. Grier building relationships with other GMs and all it cost us was us getting a free albeit overpaid 4th liner with proven playoff experience is what we call 4D chess.

This is anything nut 4d chess unless it’s Drury playing it on Grier. There’s helping GM’s out like Wilson did for llamarillo with the Makarov contract, but Sj got something in return

 

[weastern bias]

I don’t think they’re in cap hell but with Igor needing an extension next year they’ll need some relief with a hope of another 4M in inflation.

That's all I mean, they have to claw and scratch for every dollar as they try to hold a competitive window open so they can't afford to hold on to overpaid depth (which is why signing Goodrow was so dumb in the 1st place)

On the other side, we can spend money like fun coupons for the next 3 years, Goodrow is a 4th liner at max but we could pay him 12 million this year and it wouldn't make a difference, but instead we'll pay him 3 and change and hopefully spend the rest intelligently throughout the lineup

 

[hohosaregood]

Goodrow is not in my mind a legitimate NHL player. He's going to be given opportunities because he won some Cups in Tampa in a depth role but he's reverted back to what he was in San Jose when we were competing. A 4th liner you bench when it matters and a player you wouldn't think twice about replacing if the opportunity presents itself.

Sounds like a good placeholder guy to have while ths team gets built up.

 

[gaucholoco3]

This move could also allow Sturm to be moved for a pick this draft instead of waiting till the deadline.

 

[STL Shark]

Overall, I think we're still in the Trash Goblin era of the rebuild ("One man's trash is another man's treasure"). I am still holding out hope for some bigger UFA fish landed and we can start to see the team take shape. However I'm not expecting it. I expect more Trash Goblin. Top 3 pick, here we come.

I had pegged Goodrow's likely spot in the lineup to Brandon Duhaime in my mock offseason. Goodrow will cost more, but probably bring more intangible than Duhaime and will probably cost about what Martinook (a better version) would have cost, but Martinook wouldn't have come here most likely to finish his career.

 

[WSS11]

That's all I mean, they have to claw and scratch for every dollar as they try to hold a competitive window open so they can't afford to hold on to overpaid depth (which is why signing Goodrow was so dumb in the 1st place)

On the other side, we can spend money like fun coupons for the next 3 years, Goodrow is a 4th liner at max but we could pay him 12 million this year and it wouldn't make a difference, but instead we'll pay him 3 and change and hopefully spend the rest intelligently throughout the lineup

I get your point. My point is that with the NYR having to in your words “claw and scratch” for every bit of cap space that we should be extracting value for three years of relief. Part of the advantage of being in the position we’re in is being able to serve as an outlet for competitive teams to trade their overpaid depth pieces (with 1-3 years of term left) for picks and/or prospects. If there is a part 2 to this deal then I’ll rescind my statement. As is, it’s not a good move.

 

[STL Shark]

This move could also allow Sturm to be moved for a pick this draft instead of waiting till the deadline.

Does it really matter if we collect the 4th round pick for Sturm now or later? If you move him now, you just have to bring in another veteran to replace that spot. Defeats the purpose of bringing in a Goodrow. A 4th line of Goodrow-Sturm-Kunin is going to be probably our best 4th line in my lifetime and will take a lot of PK and physical burden off the youngsters. Add a Dakota Joshua and you have a big and physical group of forwards to help insulate the young guys a bit as they get acclimated to the NHL.

 

[weastern bias]

I get your point. My point is that with the NYR having to in your words “claw and scratch” for every bit of cap space that we should be extracting value for three years of relief. Part of the advantage of being in the position we’re in is being able to serve as an outlet for competitive teams to trade their overpaid depth pieces (with 1-3 years of term left) for picks and/or prospects. If there is a part 2 to this deal then I’ll rescind my statement. As is, it’s not a good move.

I think Grier just saw what he viewed as a useful player available for free and didn't want to risk losing him to Chicago

It's a "meh" move to me, not great, not terrible

 

[hohosaregood]

I would prefer to have not made this claim but it's not a big deal right now. Team still needs to spend $10m to hit the cap floor and we get a leader type 4th line PKer that can easily slide out of the lineup once the kids start to make their case.

If the below is the baseline, I think it's easy to see where we can add guys and naturally push down others in the lineup. A more clearly delineated top 6/bottom 6 set of groups

Eklund-Granlund-Zetterlund
Couture-Celebrini-Smith
Kostin-Sturm-Zadina(?)
Dellandrea-Goodrow-Kunin
Bordeleau/Carpenter/Bailey/etc

 

[Pavelski2112]

At the absolute worst, this is basically a nothing move at this stage of the rebuild

 

[karltonian]

So how does off-season waivers work? Do we retain the top priority all summer?

 

[ChompChomp]

So how does off-season waivers work? Do we retain the top priority all summer?

Yes, I believe so until a certain point in the upcoming season.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Having 1st waiver priority is such an asset when trying to circumvent NTCs.

Sharks can make a trade with a team at the draft and then a team could agree to place a player on waivers.

Let’s say MBN drops to 20 and NYI are on the board. Grier can agree to a trade that might look lopsided towards the Sharks but then later the NYI happen to waive JGP saying they need to clear space knowing the Sharks will claim him.

Say Sharks trade 33 and 85 for 20 at the draft but then claim JGP clearing the NYI’s cap.

 

[LadyStanley]

So how does off-season waivers work? Do we retain the top priority all summer?

Yes, I believe so until a certain point in the upcoming season.

IIRC it's through at least 10% of season before they start using current season rankings for waiver claims

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Sounds like a good placeholder guy to have while ths team gets built up.

Does it though? We still want good hockey players regardless of their roles. Goodrow isn't that and we haven't really had issues finding depth forwards to fill similar roles in free agency at affordable rates. We signed Sturm as an example of that. Like I said though, if there's another deal coming down the road as a result of this that is to our favor, I'm willing to credit Grier for this move if that move compensates for this. This would be like re-signing Luke Kunin to a similar deal. It's not a good deal and everyone knows that.

 

[StreetHawk]

At the absolute worst, this is basically a nothing move at this stage of the rebuild

Does feel like there’s a future trade involving NY and SJ as an iou. Like 30 to SJ for 33 and some minor leaguer to equal the contract slot.

 

[sharski]

In b4 shitstorm once we find out the handshake deal is GMMG getting 2 3rd round picks

In b4 second shitstorm once we find out it's the other way around and GMMG is sending NYR the 2 3rd round picks

 

[Gecklund]

In b4 shitstorm once we find out the handshake deal is GMMG getting 2 3rd round picks

In b4 second shitstorm once we find out it's the other way around and GMMG is sending NYR the 2 3rd round picks

In b4 third shitstorm where we find out the handshake deal was only sharks are claiming Goodrow for free.

 

[Hodge]

There's literally no downside to this move even if Goodrow is so horrible that he gets embarrassed in training camp, clears waivers and spend the next 3 years on the Barracuda.