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Prospect Info: Sharks at the 2025 World Juniors (Dickinson, Svoboda, Halttunen, Kirsch)

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Which Sharks prospect will have the best world juniors

  • Sam Dickinson (Canada)

    Votes: 21 27.3%

  • Kasper Halttunen (Finland)

    Votes: 15 19.5%

  • Brandon Svoboda (USA)

    Votes: 9 11.7%

  • Christian Kirsch (Switzerland) (This is going to look silly if he doesn't make the team)

    Votes: 3 3.9%

  • Whoever they end up picking in the 2025 draft

    Votes: 13 16.9%

  • Macklin Celebrini, even though he's not going

    Votes: 16 20.8%
  • Total voters
    77
LadyStanley said:
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Finland leading 3-1.

Blows it.

I didn't even see Halttunen in OT much if at all.

Truly the Sharkiest of Sharks. In fact, our post-WJC Shark Prospect rankings are:

0) Celebrini & Smith (have fully embraced the new tank mentality by not even showing up at all)
1) Halttunen (chocked on the biggest stage)
2) Dickinson (chocked before they could even get to the biggest stage)
3) Kirsch (chocked in their most important game, which led to defeat even if it was expected)
4) Svoboda (scored a goal in the big game, but not one of the important ones. Definitely a passenger, but a winning passenger so he's not really Shark material)
5) Everyone else except for Askarov (they're fine, I guess)
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999) Askarov (what are you doing being good and exciting and interesting? Don't you know what team this is?)
 
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The Nemesis said:
I don't see the harm in tinkering a little further and instituting some sort of reverse-offsides/over-and-back rule where if the offensive team in OT takes the puck back across the blue line to neutral ice when all 3 offensive players are in the offensive zone that the whistle is blown and a faceoff happens at one of the faceoff dots in the close side of the neutral zone (where a FO would happen if the team had gone in offside.)
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I would absolutely agree with seeing this.
 
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The Nemesis said:
Watching the US/Fin OT made me really think about how much I hate that 3-on-3 OT has become dominated by pulling back out of the zone to regroup constantly when things don't set up perfectly or when there's no chance to try and slip in an odd-man rush attempt.

Given that one can argue the 3-on-3 format is already tinkering with the rules of hockey beyond the norm, I don't see the harm in tinkering a little further and instituting some sort of reverse-offsides/over-and-back rule where if the offensive team in OT takes the puck back across the blue line to neutral ice when all 3 offensive players are in the offensive zone that the whistle is blown and a faceoff happens at one of the faceoff dots in the close side of the neutral zone (where a FO would happen if the team had gone in offside.)

Fans were lustily booing teams in every OT for bailing out of the offensive zone and skating back as far as their own defensive zone to reset the attack repeatedly during the same play sequence and I get why: It's boring as hell.

If the defensive team knocks the puck out of their own zone on a tip, deflection, or poke that doesn't cause the faceoff. Only if an attacking player directly shoots/drops the puck out or attempts to skate it out on his own.
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They could just do 4v4 for 10 min then ties

I know that word is heresy in North America, but sometimes teams don't deserve to win or lose, and the league is overcomplicating something that isn't that big of an issue
 
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Pavelski2112 said:
They could just do 4v4 for 10 min then ties

I know that word is heresy in North America, but sometimes teams don't deserve to win or lose, and the league is overcomplicating something that isn't that big of an issue
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I would prefer 4v4 to 3v3, but I also feel like it would still have the same thing happen with the zone resets.
 
Jargon said:
I like Dickinson and have high hopes for him but I’m still a little sad we didn’t get Buium.
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Every time i feel the same way, i recall the report i read that scouts were certain Buium couldn't play actual defense AND remember that i like many of Grier's moves and personality evaluations, and thus am OK trusting the process.

Can't have em all!
 
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Boo.

The Finns exceeded the expectations once again. I can't be too bummed. Both medal games were excellent hockey, I watch this tournament every year and once again I was not disappointed. Worth staying up until 6. :laugh:

And what a punk Leonard is.
 
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tiburon12 said:
Every time i feel the same way, i recall the report i read that scouts were certain Buium couldn't play actual defense AND remember that i like many of Grier's moves and personality evaluations, and thus am OK trusting the process.

Can't have em all!
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It’s a fair point. I think Dickinson has a higher floor too, so on a team that’s absolutely starved for defensive prospects, it’s not a bad bet to draft a guy that you’re fairly certain will make the NHL and at worst be like a #4-#5. Obviously we all hope for much more.
 
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Jargon said:
It’s a fair point. I think Dickinson has a higher floor too, so on a team that’s absolutely starved for defensive prospects, it’s not a bad bet to draft a guy that you’re fairly certain will make the NHL and at worst be like a #4-#5. Obviously we all hope for much more.
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The way he's playing in London and the few games I've watched, his floor is is pretty high, 2nd pair I think. Just gotta have his brain catch up to his tools. Tough ask but if he hits and we get Schaefer, that would be so fun.
 
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Hodge said:
Because he’s a smurf offenseman who can’t skate or defend.
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Hmm 6'0" is definitely not a smurf. He has no obvious problems with skating. The only thing that really needs to be improved is defensive skills. Selection of positions, more perseverance on the sides
 
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coooldude said:
A write-up of all the major drafted prospects by DailyFaceoff -- not sure if it's been posted.

Notably, negative eval of Dickinson, positive eval of Svoboda and Halttunen. Positive eval of Buium, negative eval of Catton and Bonk.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

2025 World Juniors Scouting Reports: How every NHL prospect performed

How did your favorite team’s prospects perform in Ottawa?
www.dailyfaceoff.com www.dailyfaceoff.com
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Given how many Canadian players got poor grades I'm willing to put the onus on the team and not the players individually.

If one player has a bad tournament, that player did poorly. If almost every player on a team had a bad tournament, it's likely that nothing any one player could've done would've made things better for themselves.

In particular Dickinson's evaluation seems a little unfair because it's mostly concerned with how poorly he adapted to his role, which is bad until you consider that

a) his role was not nearly the same at hte start of the tournament as it was by the end, and playing significantly out of your comfort zone at the beginning is not a recipe for a strong foundation to the tournament and b) Canada didn't practice. Like, at all, during the tournament. how was he supposed to get back into being a proper facilitator after the Schaefer injury if he never had the chance to learn about his new responsibilities and how to handle his teammates outside of needing to do it on the fly mid-game?

It's also worth remembering that scouting players based on their heroics or failures in short tournaments is usually a fool's errand and has little in common with that player's grander future if the results are not in keeping with what you might know about said player from their much larger sample size of play in their normal league or collections of other tournaments.
 
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The Nemesis said:
Given how many Canadian players got poor grades I'm willing to put the onus on the team and not the players individually.

If one player has a bad tournament, that player did poorly. If almost every player on a team had a bad tournament, it's likely that nothing any one player could've done would've made things better for themselves.

In particular Dickinson's evaluation seems a little unfair because it's mostly concerned with how poorly he adapted to his role, which is bad until you consider that

a) his role was not nearly the same at hte start of the tournament as it was by the end, and playing significantly out of your comfort zone at the beginning is not a recipe for a strong foundation to the tournament and b) Canada didn't practice. Like, at all, during the tournament. how was he supposed to get back into being a proper facilitator after the Schaefer injury if he never had the chance to learn about his new responsibilities and how to handle his teammates outside of needing to do it on the fly mid-game?
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Can’t believe a guy set up to fail… failed.
 
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The Nemesis said:
Given how many Canadian players got poor grades I'm willing to put the onus on the team and not the players individually.

If one player has a bad tournament, that player did poorly. If almost every player on a team had a bad tournament, it's likely that nothing any one player could've done would've made things better for themselves.

In particular Dickinson's evaluation seems a little unfair because it's mostly concerned with how poorly he adapted to his role, which is bad until you consider that

a) his role was not nearly the same at hte start of the tournament as it was by the end, and playing significantly out of your comfort zone at the beginning is not a recipe for a strong foundation to the tournament and b) Canada didn't practice. Like, at all, during the tournament. how was he supposed to get back into being a proper facilitator after the Schaefer injury if he never had the chance to learn about his new responsibilities and how to handle his teammates outside of needing to do it on the fly mid-game?
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He should have just said f*** it and played how he wanted even though I understand why he didnt
 
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