And it's not even our third; it's likely to be pretty low since it's Edmonton's or Colorado's. So we're talking what, a pick in the 80s, probably? Not a big deal.It's the only thing of any value we sent back. I have no problem with a 3rd - they don't often become top 4 Dmen.
The 3rd round pick level is my limit when it comes to using the pick in a seemingly frivolous manner. 3rd-7th I really tend to not care what it's used for as long as it's not someone that is seemingly a rental. The 2nd round picks and higher need to be for players that are pretty decidedly going to be part of the long term plans of the team. Using a 3rd on someone with an extra year that can be at least a 3rd pairing contributor is fine with me. I'd still prefer the 3rd rounders but not going to worry about it like I would 2nd rounders or 1st rounders.And it's not even our third; it's likely to be pretty low since it's Edmonton's or Colorado's. So we're talking what, a pick in the 80s, probably? Not a big deal.
Sounds like contrary to what Hodge said, we were the only offer for Liljegren
Contrary? All the more reason we should have squeezed them harder. Toronto absolutely needed to dump Liljegren more than we needed to get him.Sounds like contrary to what Hodge said, we were the only offer for Liljegren
i tend toward if it was our 3rd that could have been used to jump back into round 2, then id be more concerned. After pick 80 its just kinda whatever. Those can be acquired for 4ths+ and no one is turning down a trade up in round 1 over a late 3rd rounder.The 3rd round pick level is my limit when it comes to using the pick in a seemingly frivolous manner. 3rd-7th I really tend to not care what it's used for as long as it's not someone that is seemingly a rental. The 2nd round picks and higher need to be for players that are pretty decidedly going to be part of the long term plans of the team. Using a 3rd on someone with an extra year that can be at least a 3rd pairing contributor is fine with me. I'd still prefer the 3rd rounders but not going to worry about it like I would 2nd rounders or 1st rounders.
One thing Grier is good at that can frustrate fans is that he doesn’t need to “win” every part of a trade. He often pays appropriate fair market prices which could explain why he is able to make these obvious trades happen.Contrary? All the more reason we should have squeezed them harder. Toronto absolutely needed to dump Liljegren more than we needed to get him.
I completely disagreed with fans and media who were ripping Grier for not "maximizing value" on the Burns, Meier, Karlsson and Hertl trades. We desperately needed to dump those contracts (and avoid extending Meier) so quibbling with the returns and retention% was missing the forest for the trees. This is a scenario where, at least from the outside, it appears we had all the leverage and should have gotten Lilly for free or with a small add from TO.One thing Grier is good at that can frustrate fans is that he doesn’t need to “win” every part of a trade. He often pays appropriate fair market prices which could explain why he is able to make these obvious trades happen.
Most of his trades are not surprising moves and have often been discussed by fans. He probably realized that Liljegren is an upgrade over Benning and a late 3rd is not an essential piece for the rebuild. He could have potentially gotten Toronto to accept a worse pick, but that could also risk losing out on a deal which makes the team better.