I mean all I read there is fluff…he needs to play. Period.
Even if you think he should sit out a few here and there, not four in a row!!
Prospect Info: Shane Wright (Round 1, Pick #4, 2022 draft)
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I mean all I read there is fluff…he needs to play. Period.
Even if you think he should sit out a few here and there, not four in a row!!
It would be different if he didn’t lose the 20-21 season due to Covid. Dobson played in like half the games for the isles but he was a year older than Wright and didn’t miss a season back in 19-20. And he was coming off back to back memorial cups playing 30 minutes a game. Nothing left for him in the Q. But he was t physically ready for the nhl over a full season. Trotz and co worked with him and get him ready knowing that they wouldn’t get much bang from his elc year 1. Paid off for them with his play in year 3.
Wright was nowhere near as dominant as Dobson was.
In the end it’s up to Seattle to have a plan for Wright. Go ahead and keep if so long as he gets the coaching, training, and some ice time to develop him. Just remember that Beniers has almost 2 more years of development on Wright due to his late birthday. So not realistic to expect him to be at Beniers level at 18 while losing a year at age 17.
This isn’t a critique of where Wright currently is in his development. No one expects him to be at beniers level who was actually a higher pick than Wright.
This is a critique about wrights playing time. He needs to play and as you mentioned he’s already missed a ton of time. He needs to play. Sitting for 1-2 games is one thing, but he’s sat for 4 straight now. That’s not what is right for his development. It’s just not
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THGs take on Wright and how were handling him. Starts around the 7 minute mark.
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Would that fall under "conditioning stint"? One would think it would only be available AFTER the player hits the 9 games, but could be a nice loophole to get him some playing time
Although I wonder if the AHL games, counting as pro games, would burn through the nine game limit.
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I think Francis expects to burn this year anyway so may not matter. But yeah, would make more sense after the 9 games played limit is reached.Would that fall under "conditioning stint"? One would think it would only be available AFTER the player hits the 9 games, but could be a nice loophole to get him some playing time
Although I wonder if the AHL games, counting as pro games, would burn through the nine game limit.
I do not like the Sequin comparison.
Seguin played almost twice as many games as Wright the two seasons before his draft, and he scored 48 goals compared to Wright's 32, and out-produced him by a substantial amount as well.
And Seguin played nearly all of Boston's games and was getting over 12 minutes a game during the regular season. Sitting a rookie in the playoffs is hardly comparable to what is going on with Wright here.
For the record, we are talking about the 9 games to be eligible to return to juniors, and not the 9 games to burn a year of ELC, right?
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If the Wild had hit that shot at us, it would probably have gone straight to one of their players for an easy tap in.
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I thought he played acceptably tonight for an 18 year old. I’m not upset. I’m optimistic.
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The problem with playing stems from having 12 forwards in the line up that have out dueled Shane Wright.
The AHL option is a one time 2 week stint.
The 2 key things for Wright are the 10
Games which burns an elc year off his contract. The second is the year accrued towards free agency. If he is on the roster for half the season or more he earns this year as one of the 7 he would need to hit ufa in the year he turns 25. So in 2029 he would become a ufa.
Leon Driasitl suited up for Edm for 37 games and was returned to the WHL this he burned an elc year and was rfa in 2017 but did not accrue that first elc year towards free agency. So when his elc expired he was still 5 years away from ufa.
The 2 key things for Wright are the 10
Games which burns an elc year off his contract. The second is the year accrued towards free agency. If he is on the roster for half the season or more he earns this year as one of the 7 he would need to hit ufa in the year he turns 25. So in 2029 he would become a ufa.
Leon Driasitl suited up for Edm for 37 games and was returned to the WHL this he burned an elc year and was rfa in 2017 but did not accrue that first elc year towards free agency. So when his elc expired he was still 5 years away from ufa.
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I would argue that Wright could play over Kuhlman and Donato but that's about it. Last season, you could throw Sprong into that category but he has been ridiculous so far. Geekie has also stepped his game up considerably.
*Could play*, and *is more effective* are two very different things.
Up to this point, both Donato and Kuhlman create more offense (Donato substantially so), and Kuhlman PKs and his presence on the forecheck is a huge upgrade over the current version of Wright.
That said, I would play Wright over both for the long-term benefit of the team, but being honest, right now the team is without a doubt stronger with either of those guys in the lineup over Wright.
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Sure it does make the team 'better' but how much. I don't think playing Wright over Donato or Kuhlman takes away all that much from the team as a whole. Donato has not been that great offensively this season anyway.
'This is where I want to be': Shane Wright on board with Kraken's development plan, despite the skeptics
The Kraken have mapped out a plan for Wright, and that so far has included lots of games off.
theathletic.com
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Actually comment from Wright himself and from what i was told for those that are subbed to there that he's on board with Seattle's plans.
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The cost of having Wright on the ice has been more about the decreased effectiveness of his linemates, and that opportunity cost. Last night Gourde was substantially more effective on the rush and sustaining pressure in the zone when Wright was hanging back and the D was up switching with him, or when Wright was off the ice.
This is not "bashing Wright". Kid is 18 years old and in the "fricken" NHL, but if we are being honest and just evaluating him on his play while ignoring everything else, it is hard to say he belongs in the NHL right now.
Last season we had all kinds of posters in here ripping apart the performances of Lind, Geekie and Johansson, and let's be realistic, they were playing as well if not better than Wright it currently.
Wright clears the puck without icing it, and the broadcast crew are gushing. I understand that they are trying to put positives on everything Kraken, but we are setting the bar extremely low here to justify a position that if we take a step back and evaluate without prejudice, is a complete double standard.
'This is where I want to be': Shane Wright on board with Kraken's development plan, despite the skeptics
The Kraken have mapped out a plan for Wright, and that so far has included lots of games off.
Pay wall
Actually comment from Wright himself and from what i was told for those that are subbed to there that he's on board with Seattle's plans.
"Yes, I would like to be demoted. Oh, and while I have you here, I would also like to not get paid. That million dollars I was earning is a big burden"..... said nobody ever.
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I love Shaner but in all honesty he's not ready. Better to loan him to Coachella,then Team Canada World Juniors. Those two levels will be better than sending him back to the OHL and he'll get a tonne of playing time. I've watched Wright all season and he's looked timid almost afraid to make mistakes. Game against the Wild was better but he still a ways to go. Donato could be the player Wright platoons with with Kuhlman drawing in also
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I don't think anyone can argue that Shane is ready. The main discussion to be had is if he is going to show steady improvement when given the opportunity. Do we expect Shane to be a different player if he played another 10-15 games in a row with 10+ minute ice time? I think that is very likely.
Ofcourse, if the idea is to healthy scratch him 4 games in a row and give him under 10 minutes for that 5th game, then it is better to send him back to Juniors. Coachella, based on the clause I saw, could be an option but its just a temporary one. However, he is very likely to learn more in 10-15 games in Coachella than in Juniors.
The ten pro games doesn't matter at all (or we might prefer to start his second contract earlier actually) so a conditioning stint in the AHL seems ideal. Crossing the 40 game mark would be nuts in my opinion, I really hope Francis doesn't plan on doing that.
Apparently from what i read of those that seen the full article that i linked, there been no communication between Seattle and Kingston.
Not really 40 games it’s more crossing like the 90 day or something mark which represents half of the 180 something day regular season.
He’s deemed to be on the roster unless there are transactions that take him off the roster such as an Ahl stint or loan to the wjhc. He’s been on the kraken roster everyday since the season started in mid October so he’s up to 20 odd days now. Another 70 or so left before he accrues them season towards free agency.
