Shane Pinto vs Arthur Kaliyev vs Bobby Brink vs Raphael Lavoie vs Nils Hoglander.

[Lavar Ball]

He's already a high end third liner.

Maybe let him play even half of a season before saying that? Plenty of players have looked good in small sample sizes

 

[bert]

Maybe let him play even half of a season before saying that? Plenty of players have looked good in small sample sizes

High end 3rd liner isn't really an outrageous statement. All you have to do is watch him play. He won best defensive forward in the NCAA the year before and best forward in his conference. Was really good at the WJC. Professionals like Poulin say it. DJ Smith had him PKing in his first NHL game. He has looked terrific.

 

[The Nuge]

Highest upside is easily Hoglander imo. Whether he reaches anywhere close to it is a whole nother question

People saying Kaliyev’s production last year was meh don’t know he played on our 4th line with Lizotte and Lemieux for the majority of his 11-12 minutes a night. He’ll be a slow burn, but he’s legit.

I mean, he was also the worst of those 3 for the games I saw so that’s not much of an excuse

 

[bsu]

Pinto

 

[Phrasing]

High end 3rd liner isn't really an outrageous statement. All you have to do is watch him play. He won best defensive forward in the NCAA the year before and best forward in his conference. Was really good at the WJC. Professionals like Poulin say it. DJ Smith had him PKing in his first NHL game. He has looked terrific.

In the same manner it’s not outrageous for someone to question the sample size before anointing Pinto as anything so far either.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I mean, he was also the worst of those 3 for the games I saw so that’s not much of an excuse

Oh.

Never mind, please remove Kaliyev from the polling options.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Oh.

Never mind, please remove Kaliyev from the polling options.

kings oughta just waive em

 

[The Nuge]

Oh.

Never mind, please remove Kaliyev from the polling options.

Holy overreaction. I said him being “stuck” with 2 players isn’t much of an excuse when those 2 often outplayed him. I never said anything about his future in the league

 

[Ghetty Green]

Holy overreaction. I said him being “stuck” with 2 players isn’t much of an excuse when those 2 often outplayed him. I never said anything about his future in the league

Yeah, remove Kaliyev from the poll fellas

 

[Samsquanch]

Pinto is untradeable at this moment as a Sens fan. Just too many unknowns about where his real ceiling might be. He just oozes high hockey IQ in the form of what might be an elite two-way centerman.

And even if he tops out as a 3rd line centerman, baring any career altering injuries, he will be an amazing 3rd line C.

He's just so much a sure fire career NHLer

 

[NyQuil]

He has the skill set of a good tweener (2nd/3rd liner) with flashes of top six skill accompanied by active defensive stickwork, puck thievery and a surprising motor.

I find him very noticeable on the ice playing a canny and cerebral game.

Hopefully he'll prove it in over an extended period this time around - he's had some rotten luck.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Holy overreaction. I said him being “stuck” with 2 players isn’t much of an excuse when those 2 often outplayed him. I never said anything about his future in the league

You think my clearly silly ass response was an overreaction, but not the idea that Lemieux and Lizotte are better than Kaliyev because of whatever small sample size? And what are we supposed to extrapolate from that post but his future when the OP thesis is 'ceiling?'

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

There's a reason why Pinto was the first ever play in the toughest division in the NCAA to win both the best offensive and best defensive forward.

He looks so promising, that some Sens fans are already considering Norris being on the potential block in the near future due to Pinto's possible progression.

Something important to note about him Pinto: he didn't start playing competitive hockey until he was 15. He was a baseball athlete and something else. His development arc is different and his progression could be insane and unlike other prospects due to his late entry to the game coupled with his brilliant skillset and IQ. Similar to Batherson in a way.

I believe our head amateur scout, Mann, said that, at the time of the draft, he threatened that if Ottawa does not pick Pinto, he would quit.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

I don't know that I'd paint Pinto as 'highest ceiling.' Highest likelihood of ceiling? Absolutely. I see a Mark Stone clone there.

Kaliyev's shot and playmaking has him at 50-goal potential. He's a true dual-threat and an offensive savant that rounded out his game to also be a board beast in a way I never thought possible.

Excellent post.

 

[The Nuge]

You think my clearly silly ass response was an overreaction, but not the idea that Lemieux and Lizotte are better than Kaliyev because of whatever small sample size? And what are we supposed to extrapolate from that post but his future when the OP thesis is 'ceiling?'

Because that’s not what the post I was responding to was referencing. The post said he was better than the numbers last year because he was stuck with those 2, and I said he didn’t outperform them last year, so it’s not really valid to say he was stuck with them. Not that he won’t outperform them going forward

 

[NyQuil]

He looks so promising, that some Sens fans are already considering Norris being on the potential block in the near future due to Pinto's possible progression.

A lot of Senators fans are sleeping on Norris for whatever reason.

Pinto hasn't shown any kind of consistent top six production.

 

[Xspyrit]

I believe our head amateur scout, Mann, said that, at the time of the draft, he threatened that if Ottawa does not pick Pinto, he would quit.

Mann is such a baller

 

[bert]

A lot of Senators fans are sleeping on Norris for whatever reason.

Pinto hasn't shown any kind of consistent top six production.

Pinto has showed the talent he just got hurt last year. In a lot of ways they are kind of opposite players. Norris is a very good player even if he is not noticeable. Its a skill to not need the puck on your stick and still produce. Pinto is a play driver that is very noticeable in that he is often stealing pucks or in the middle of it all.

 

[Mrb1p]

Brink
Pinto
Kaliyev
Hogs
Lavoie but really hes a bust

 

[bert]

Brink
Pinto
Kaliyev
Hogs
Lavoie but really hes a bust

Watches Pinto light up his team two straight games. Proceeds to put Bobby Brink ahead of him.

 

[Mrb1p]

Watches Pinto light up his team two straight games. Proceeds to put Bobby Brink ahead of him.

Ah yeah lighting up the worst team in the league with half its roster, what a feat.

 

[bert]

Ah yeah lighting up the worst team in the league with half its roster, what a feat.

I'm sure you were excited with Caufield and Suzuki. Those goals/plays counted for you, the ones by the sens didn't. Amirite.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

A lot of Senators fans are sleeping on Norris for whatever reason.

Pinto hasn't shown any kind of consistent top six production.

Where? He's shown it everywhere. Rookie of the year in NCHC division (arguably best 2 way forward too) almost PPG and number 1 C for team USA in WJC with 7 points in 5 games. I already highlighted his sophomore success. NHL? Where he had 7 points in first 12 games played and was our best forward in preseason 2 years in a row.

Pinto without question has flashed consistent top 6 potential. If not higher. He has number 1 C upside no doubt.

If anything, the best thing about Pinto is his consistency.

 

[NyQuil]

Where? He's shown it everywhere but the NHL. Where he had 7 points in first 12 games played and was our best forward in preseason 2 years in a row.

Pinto without question has flashed consistent top 6 potential. If not higher.

Sure, and Norris has scored 52 goals in the NHL.

Consistent top six production (notice I didn't use the word potential) to me is a lot of games and a lot of points in the actual NHL.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Sure, and Norris has scored 52 goals in the NHL.

Consistent top six production (notice I didn't use the word potential) to me is a lot of games and a lot of points in the actual NHL.

Ahhh now I understand your point. Basically go with the proven boat and not the mystery box. Fair enough. I thought you said since he hasn't produced top 6, he is not capable of it.