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Proposal: Shane Pinto for Kevin Fiala
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Zach716
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Can you clone Pinto and add a 1st to make this closer?
Dr Jan Itor
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I'd be underwhelmed with Pinto alone. I'm prepared to be underwhelmed.
Pinto + swap of 2022 1sts + Tampa's 2022 2nd
or
Pinto + 2023 protected 1st (top 10)
Pinto + swap of 2022 1sts + Tampa's 2022 2nd
or
Pinto + 2023 protected 1st (top 10)
LeProspector
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So you’re saying you want 2 A list prospects and a 7th overall pick for your top-6 winger.
If that’s the price it’ll take, no way in hell do you get any bites on that hook.
Dr Jan Itor
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I would disagree with "A list".
GermanSpitfire
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Pinto is an A list prospect. And if you don’t know this I suggest you do some more research on the player to become more informed..
Dr Jan Itor
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That is a tremendous case that you made for your position. Surely can't argue with it. And technically, I didn't speak a word.
GermanSpitfire
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Dr Jan Itor
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I sure didn't say that he sucked or anything.
GermanSpitfire
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Pinto is Ottawa’s best forward prospect and second best prospect overall. Only player who beats him out is Jake Sanderson.
His injury history is public, he had shoulder surgery and will be ready for opening night, nothing mysterious at all.
If Pinto isn’t an A list prospect, neither is Rossi. Simple as that. If you’re denying this notion, respectfully you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Zach716
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I didn't say 7OA. Maybe something like a '24 1st is closer.
I don't see Pinto as a home run A list prospect. Surely a 1 for 1 with a young ppg is not even.
GermanSpitfire
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I don’t do this as a Sens fan prospective though.
Pinto has shown well in the NHL and he is too good of a prospect to give up for a player like Fiala.
Pinto has shown well in the NHL and he is too good of a prospect to give up for a player like Fiala.
Ottawa should try keeping its young players and just get a guy in UFA instead.
Even if you have to pay a bit more in the UFA market, there are a lot of interesting players in UFA this year, and one of them + Pinto ought to be worth more than Fiala. Bid on Forsberg, Gaudreau, Giroux, Perron, Marchment, Burakovsky, Nichushkin. And if you're going to be cheap, Max Domi should be a steal.
Even if you have to pay a bit more in the UFA market, there are a lot of interesting players in UFA this year, and one of them + Pinto ought to be worth more than Fiala. Bid on Forsberg, Gaudreau, Giroux, Perron, Marchment, Burakovsky, Nichushkin. And if you're going to be cheap, Max Domi should be a steal.
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Yea but Pinto has been dubbed an A list prospect and you don't know what you are talking about if you disagree.
BoardsofCanada
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Was it a career year or a breakthrough season? There are many examples of guys exploding for one season only to come back down to earth the rest of their careers.
Vincent Trocheck.. 75 pts in 17-18. He was one of the most coveted players after that season. Since, he has settled back as a good but not great top 6 forward.
Pinto is tracking to be a good 50 point 2-way centerman in the NHL. Giving him up for Fiala is fair, but I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger on that deal.
I am not sure this is the best fit to be honest. As a neutral fan in this trade, I am not under the impression that OTT has an impressive C depth that they can trade away their best center prospect. In a vacuum Fiala has more value for a contender than Pinto right now but is OTT contending right now ?
Also what is going to be Fiala's next contract ? And would he able to repeat this year's performance in a much weaker team ?
Sens have Norris and Stutzle at center. While Pinto is an amazing prospect, likely the best two-way out of the bunch, Sens have pretty good depth down the middle now. Stutzle had 58 points as a 20 year old playing with 3rd liners, Norris scored 35 goals in 66 games.
Stutzle
Norris
Pinto
Kastelic
White
Greig
That said you're likely completely right that Ottawa doesn't consider trading Pinto. He is very highly regarded and was considered to be one of the top 2 centers in Ottawa going forward before the season started with Norris. When Pinto got injured they moved Stutzle to center and the rest is history, Stutzle is likely the 1C going forward.
I think there's a bigger chance to make a deal around the 7OA and/or maybe some other pieces like Greig, maybe Connor Brown. I could maybe see the team consider moving one of Formenton or Joseph if MIN would want a roster player .. but not Pinto.
For your second point I think Fiala didn't play with incredible players all year. Sure on the PP he did play with a great unit but at 5on5 he was playing with Freddy Gaudreau as his center and then he played with Boldy as well when he got to the big club. In Ottawa he would likely play with Stutzle and then someone like Joseph or C.Brown. I feel like that would probably be similar level players and he creates a lot on his own so I feel like he could produce just as much in Ottawa.
Would you like to see a list of highly successful list of college players that never even sniffed the NHL? It's a long one
NyQuil
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Pinto has already sniffed the NHL so I'm not sure what your point is.
LeProspector
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There are so many wingers like Fiala in the NHL, dime a dozen - but you're hard pressed to find centres like Pinto and teams don't trade these types of centre prospects.
