Shame to the sport’: IIHF urged to suspend Hockey Canada

[Czechboy]

It's an easy fix... Fire the top people.. replace them with a much different group and make meaningful change. Sponsors come back.

Eg. Marnie McBean said she'd love to be on a committee for this but only if the top people were let go first. Start there.

And NO I don't think Canada should be banned from tournaments... It's an on house problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[vorky]

I do understand that IIHF wants to give sanctions of those illegal actions in Hockey Canada.
IIHF president Luc Tardif should realize that Canadian 2003 born U20 national team
hasn't done nothing illegal so IIHF should let Canadian players play.

Yes all those peoples who have been involved on that sickening shit
should carry the responsibility of their illegal actions and face consequnces like adults.
It is not right to make innocent players pay the price of mistakes what management has done.

If IIHF really is banning Canada from international hockey then so be it.
But this decision if it happens is sport related so it isn't comparable for Russia's IIHF ban.

Russia was banned for political reasons so it was totally different situation.
If IIHF wants to world cup in February 2024 happen then they shouldn't ban Team Canada.
If Canada gets banned then it also means that 2024 world cup won't happen.

And also it means that we all have to wait 2026 winter olympics to see best on best tournament.
Of course rules should be fair all participants but lets see what IIHF decides.

If Canada truly is out of upcoming U20 WJC's in Halifax and Moncton
that will cause revenue losses for Hockey Canada and IIHF.

Yes Finland's chances to win next U20 WJC's gets better if Canada is banned.
And of course i wanna see my country to celebrate gold medal once again in Canadian ice surface.
Finland has been medals ( 1 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze ) last 3 ( 2019, 2021, 2022 )
U20 WJC's which are held in Canada.

And there is something special when Finland and Canada are playing for gold.
So i truly hope that IIHF allows Canada's participation in upcoming U20 WJC's.

Just one note to the bold part (you wrote: If IIHF wants to world cup in February 2024 happen then they shouldn't ban Team Canada.)

Tardif said a few days ago that there is no communication with NHL about 2024 World Cup because NHL does not seek any co-operation with anybody, including IIHF & national federations. It is classic behaviour by NHL ignoring anybody.

 

[MXD]

The issue with this is, the minute HC is dissolved or otherwise incapable of acting, the whole basis to suspend Canada disappears.

I don't know why this situation is compared with Russia when it's much closer to US Gymnastics.

 

[ReHabs]

It's only fair for (Hockey) Canada to be banned from all international and multi-national competitions. Unlike their innocent Russian counterparts whom the Canadian people gleefully banished and smeared, in this case it is the actual Hockey Canada organization and its staff, coaches, and players past and present that are implicated in a litany of crimes and conspiracies.

No one know how deep the rot goes and which people are involved, therefore it's only fair to suspend the organization and all players so as to not allow them to continue their potentially unethical, abhorrent, and criminal acts. This should go on until the issues are brought to light and properly analysed plus the organization has to serve a punitive sentence, maybe one or two tournaments.

Anybody arguing that Hockey Canada should be allowed free reign to continue its campaign of lawless rape and assault should take a long look at themselves.

I don't know why this situation is compared with Russia when it's much closer to US Gymnastics.

In the case with Hockey Canada it is the entire organization that is implicated and stained, including players past and present. It isn't one bad apple, unfortunately... it's closer to being a massive criminal conspiracy than not.

 

[NewEraGM]

Wow.
Is this real news or just a rumor for now?

I get that IIHF wants to give sanctions for Hockey Canada's sexual abuse / harassment scandal.
But it feels so wrong and unfair to make players who don't have nothing to do
with those sickening illegal actions

Only who's responsible are those management staff member
who have knew for this many years and still they haven't told anyone what has happened.

Fire and ban all those idiots and morons who have been involved in this sickening shit.
But let the 2003 born Team Canada participate for upcoming U20 WJC in Halifax and Moncton.

I agree but Russian players got screwed in the same way. If you don’t think it should apply to Canadian players, I don’t see why it should apply to Russian players

If Russians got banned, so should hockey Canada. In this case, while it’s not the exact players who committed the crimes who are being punished, it was former players. In russia, it’s not and never was the players, it was their government so I don’t see how anyone can justify banning Russian players and not Canadian players

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Banning Russia opened up a can of worms

That can was opened up a long time ago. Countries have been barred from the Olympics and international competition before. Ever hear of South Africa?

 

[filip85]

Wow.
Is this real news or just a rumor for now?

I get that IIHF wants to give sanctions for Hockey Canada's sexual abuse / harassment scandal.
But it feels so wrong and unfair to make players who don't have nothing to do
with those sickening illegal actions

Only who's responsible are those management staff member
who have knew for this many years and still they haven't told anyone what has happened.

Fire and ban all those idiots and morons who have been involved in this sickening shit.
But let the 2003 born Team Canada participate for upcoming U20 WJC in Halifax and Moncton.

Neither do Russian players holding rifles nor firing balistic missiles on Ukraine and yet they are suspended !?

 

[MXD]

It's only fair for (Hockey) Canada to be banned from all international and multi-national competitions. Unlike their innocent Russian counterparts whom the Canadian people gleefully banished and smeared, in this case it is the actual Hockey Canada organization and its staff, coaches, and players past and present that are implicated in a litany of crimes and conspiracies.

No one know how deep the rot goes and which people are involved, therefore it's only fair to suspend the organization and all players so as to not allow them to continue their potentially unethical, abhorrent, and criminal acts. This should go on until the issues are brought to light and properly analysed plus the organization has to serve a punitive sentence, maybe one or two tournaments.

Anybody arguing that Hockey Canada should be allowed free reign to continue its campaign of lawless rape and assault should take a long look at themselves.


In the case with Hockey Canada it is the entire organization that is implicated and stained, including players past and present. It isn't one bad apple, unfortunately... it's closer to being a massive criminal conspiracy than not.

It wasn't a bad apple for US Gym either. It was top-down corruption there too, at the organizationnal level. Nothing to do with the reason why Russia and Belarus are suspended.

Neither do Russian players holding rifles nor firing balistic missiles on Ukraine and yet they are suspended !?

The closer comparable to Russia is RSA. Country being suspended due to their actions in the political stage.

Personally, I'd have no problem with Canada being suspended if Hockey Canada, or it's directors, is still in charge of coordinating national hockey activities. But once HC or those directors are gone, there's no real basis for the suspension.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Let the 2018 team be the one to explain to the next crop of players why they don't get to play in the World Juniors...

It wasn't a bad apple for US Gym either. It was top-down corruption there too, at the organizationnal level. Nothing to do with the reason why Russia and Belarus are suspended.



The closer comparable to Russia is RSA. Country being suspended due to their actions in the political stage.

Personally, I'd have no problem with Canada being suspended if Hockey Canada, or it's directors, is still in charge of coordinating national hockey activities. But once HC or those directors are gone, there's no real basis for the suspension.

Begs the question... ARE they gone? Hockey Canada still appears active.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

War and violent invasion is totally different and more serious thing than sexual abuse / sexual harassment.
Russia's IIHF ban was political decision and made for political reasons.

Yes rape is crime and those who are guilty should get arrested and charged of their illegal actions.
But banning entire 2003 born Team Canada who have nothing to do with that sickening shit
is so wrong as ever can be it shouldn't be innocent players who have to pay the price.

Yes hockey Canada's managent has screwed up big time for a long time.
But still let 2003 born Team Canada play their home 2023 U20 WJC tournament as planned.

Weird that the US wasn't banned in the early 2000s then...and it's not what Canada has done that is prompting this, it is what Hockey Canada has done, and using government funds it received, to cover up sexual abuse and assault. The offending party is the actual hockey organization that runs the teams that play in IIHF tournaments. It's more directly related to hockey than the Russian invasion is.

 

[ReHabs]

It wasn't a bad apple for US Gym either. It was top-down corruption there too, at the organizationnal level. Nothing to do with the reason why Russia and Belarus are suspended.

[/QUOTE]
US Olympics/Gymnastics wasn't covering for illegal actions by its athletes for years and years on end. In any case that's a separate sport and separate governing body.

Hockey Canada itself, the organization, engaged in allowing criminal behaviour to fester for years. There is a huge difference.

Russia and Belarus are not related at all, their suspensions are unjustified within the scope of the sport's governing bodies. Their suspensions were forced by elements above the sport's international organization.

Personally, I'd have no problem with Canada being suspended if Hockey Canada, or it's directors, is still in charge of coordinating national hockey activities. But once HC or those directors are gone, there's no real basis for the suspension.

Punishment. Canada should be suspended for 20 years, or 16, or 12, or 10, or however long. Why? Because ultimately they were responsible to not put the sport in disrepute and they failed to act. There has to be punishment so other organisations across all sports understand how important it is to not cover-up sex crimes.

Canada needs to be made into an example.

Personally, and with all sincerity, I would push for a 20 year suspension to rattle their cage and then eventually settle on 10 with 2 years out of the international sport entirely and 8 years as a suspended sentence.

 

[DuklaNation]

Yep, lets ban an entire country over a handful of individuals. If only people knew.

 

[Jussi]

Didn't innocent Russian players have to pay the price for their government?

Ever heard of apartheid and South Africa being a banned from sports? This isn't unique.

 

[NyQuil]

“US Olympics/Gymnastics wasn't covering for illegal actions by its athletes for years and years on end. In any case that's a separate sport and separate governing body.”

Er what?

In their case, it was their own employee and they covered it up.

You might want to read an actual article about how long they kept it under wraps:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2022/06/08/larry-nassar-victims-fbi-lawsuit/

“My fellow survivors and I were betrayed by every institution that was supposed to protect us — the U.S. Olympic Committee, USA Gymnastics, the FBI and now the Department of Justice. I had some hope that they would keep their word and hold the FBI accountable after we poured out our hearts to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee and begged for justice. It is clear that the only path to justice and healing is through the legal process,” Maroney said in the statement.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Who or what in the f*** is a WAIPU and can someone explain why their opinion means anything? Like do they actually matter?

 

[BMacLeafs]

Weird that the US wasn't banned in the early 2000s then...and it's not what Canada has done that is prompting this,

I completely agree. I have said multiple times that US should have been banned from 2001-09 and 2017-21 due to their country's actions around the world.

I don't really care about international hockey. Most of it is substandard and barely watchable. But I think unitl the Hockey Canada executives are replaced and imprisoned, the players should be competing as OAC or COC or something like that.

 

[MXD]

Let the 2018 team be the one to explain to the next crop of players why they don't get to play in the World Juniors...


Begs the question... ARE they gone? Hockey Canada still appears active.

Of course the directors are still in place. The next elections has been postponed to December, though it has more to do with an incoming report + recommendations from a former SCC Justice and the required time to implement these changes in the voting process than with a desire to stall things up. I mean, it probably stalls things as well, but that's an actual sensible reason.

 

[Heldig]

Yep, lets ban an entire country over a handful of individuals. If only people knew.

If only people knew what? Please illuminate all of us.

 

[MXD]

US Olympics/Gymnastics wasn't covering for illegal actions by its athletes for years and years on end. In any case that's a separate sport and separate governing body.

You may wish to, at the very least, edit this part of your post.

As for the remainder, well, that's in the realm of opinion, and you're at least not really conflating what happens at HC with the Russia/Belarus ban.

 

[NyQuil]

If only people knew what? Please illuminate all of us.

It’s just his schtick.

Claims of hidden knowledge or a unique perspective.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Ever heard of apartheid and South Africa being a banned from sports? This isn't unique.

That can was opened up a long time ago. Countries have been barred from the Olympics and international competition before. Ever hear of South Africa?

Why aren't more countries / organizations banned then?

Qatar is hosting the biggest sporting event in the world and has a horrendous human rights record.

Why wasn't USA banned in the 2000s?

There's so many countries and clubs that do terrible things and yet it seems almost unthinkable to ban them but yet we are fine with banning Russians who many live in North America with us and have nothing to do with the insanity of Putin.

 

[DuklaNation]

It’s just his schtick.

Claims of hidden knowledge or a unique perspective.

Maybe unique to this board but hardly in other circles. Maybe broaden your horizons a little bit.

 

[NyQuil]

Maybe unique to this board but hardly in other circles. Maybe broaden your horizons a little bit.

I have insight into the running of the world that you couldn't possible fathom.

It relies on a perspective that few have the bravery to grasp.

But I hope that you will one day learn what I have - pulling back the layers to see the world as it truly is.

 

[Boonk]

Why aren't more countries / organizations banned then?

Qatar is hosting the biggest sporting event in the world and has a horrendous human rights record.

Why wasn't USA banned in the 2000s?

There's so many countries and clubs that do terrible things and yet it seems almost unthinkable to ban them but yet we are fine with banning Russians who many live in North America with us and have nothing to do with the insanity of Putin.

The Russians weren't banned when they were razing Grozny and Syrian cities into the ground during that time either. So have at it. This invasion of Ukraine is far more dangerous geopolitically. The Russian government is actually thinking of using nuclear weapons there now. And they shouldn't be banned? Lol

 

[Guttersniped]

I completely agree. I have said multiple times that US should have been banned from 2001-09 and 2017-21 due to their country's actions around the world.

I don't really care about international hockey. Most of it is substandard and barely watchable. But I think unitl the Hockey Canada executives are replaced and imprisoned, the players should be competing as OAC or COC or something like that.

Russia’s ban is about the current strained diplomatic relationships (to put it mildly) between member countries, particularly those in Europe.

The IIHF is made up of government affiliated organizations and a functional relationship with one in Russia wasn’t happening right now.

Your whataboutism doesn’t make any sense.

People are complaining about the players being innocent victims here but guess what, there are innocent victims who suffering a hell of a lot more than those losing out on some International Touneys and Import CHL drafts. Life isn’t fair.

Russia was “banned” by name, and nothing else, because of their massive Olympics doping program.

Hockey Canada is imploding and who knows what is left of this organization after this scandal. I don’t see why the IIHF has to step in when it’s own country’s public, sponsors and government (plus HC’s the unbelievably bad response to the scandal) are going to led to some drastic changes.

No way the executives survive the loss of all their sponsors and Government threats of replacing the organization. If HC wants to survive the board will have to finally realize how bad this is going and that they aren’t an untouchable beloved institution Canada can’t live without.

This organization (who ever they are) is likely saying this not to get HC banned but to try to put another nail in their coffin.