Value of: Shai Buium to Minnesota

[tmg]

Having family members on the same team can be problematic, because usually one is more talented than the other. If Shai is stuck in Iowa, and isn't playing with Zeev, do you risk alienating the family? If Shai(who appears likely to be a fringe NHL'er) makes the NHL team, is there grumbling on the team that he gets preferential treatment because of his brother?

The Sedins, Richards, Mahovlichs were a different because they were all terrific hockey players, so those issues didn't come up.

Scott was clearly the more prominent Niedermayer. But he walked to Anaheim when he could because his brother was there, and I sometimes wonder if the Devils had acquired Rob on the cheap when they could have, if Scott would have stayed in New Jersey and won several more cups there.

 

[Buttonwood]

Funny thing about this thread, has anybody talked about the reverse? Why DET didn't jump up from 15 to draft Ze'ev, assuming they would use their 2nd to beat MIN's offer and moving up 2 more spots. I know DET has Edvinsson on the left side and MBN is a good fit and all that, but maybe DET fans can fill me in if it made no sense.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Funny thing about this thread, has anybody talked about the reverse? Why DET didn't jump up from 15 to draft Ze'ev, assuming they would use their 2nd to beat MIN's offer and moving up 2 more spots. I know DET has Edvinsson on the left side and MBN is a good fit and all that, but maybe DET fans can fill me in if it made no sense.

Wings already have an offensive D man coming up in Axel Sandin Pellikka and needed a power forward, MBN was that.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I agree. I just said that he's the only guy that interests me.

It's just a weird thing to say in a thread about a prospect that likely isn't going to crack Detroit's top 10 prospect list...

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

It's just a weird thing to say in a thread about a prospect that likely isn't going to crack Detroit's top 10 prospect list...

I mean, the whole damn thread is weird. Teams want brothers on their teams as players/prospects when they are all very good at hockey.

Sedins, Staals, Neidermayers, Sutters, Stasnys, etc.

But this weird HF obsession with "THIS GUY AND THIS GUY BOTH CAME OUT OF THIS LADY'S VAGINA, TEAMS SHOULD WANT THEM BOTH" is just ridiculous. A guy has a brother in the NHL or in juniors and you can guaran-damn-tee that there will be at least one and probably many threads trying to get them in the same place.

 

[Sombastate]

Is Shai even expected to be a player of consequence?

 

[Marlowe Syn]

I mean, the whole damn thread is weird. Teams want brothers on their teams as players/prospects when they are all very good at hockey.

Sedins, Staals, Neidermayers, Sutters, Stasnys, etc.

But this weird HF obsession with "THIS GUY AND THIS GUY BOTH CAME OUT OF THIS LADY'S VAGINA, TEAMS SHOULD WANT THEM BOTH" is just ridiculous. A guy has a brother in the NHL or in juniors and you can guaran-damn-tee that there will be at least one and probably many threads trying to get them in the same place.

Why is it so weird? There are hundreds of registered users on HFBoards and there is nothing newsworthy coming from the NHL beside a scandal here and there. If threads of this stripe are so ridiculous to you, why are you reading and interacting with it? THAT is a weird HF obsession as well.

Shai's size and skillset is something sorely lacking in our defense prospect pool, and Digitalbooya didn't frame it as re-uniting brothers thread.

 

[norrisnick]

Is Shai even expected to be a player of consequence?

What do you consider to be a player of consequence?

 

[Sombastate]

What do you consider to be a player of consequence?

Just a player we’re fairly confident makes the NHL and helps a team win games. Doesn’t have to be a star, just a player who matters

 

[norrisnick]

Just a player we’re fairly confident makes the NHL and helps a team win games. Doesn’t have to be a star, just a player who matters

I mean, maybe? He's got a great frame, skating isn't a problem, decent stats in college (2 titles), and exactly 1 game of pro experience.

His biggest obstacle is that the Wings have a trio of LD with significantly more pro experience ahead of him in the pecking order. Edvinsson, Albert Johansson and William Wallinder. I don't foresee him being better than Edvinsson, but he could theoretically slot in anywhere behind Simon. Getting an opportunity will be the problem as Chiarot, Maatta, and Gustafsson are also LD on the roster...

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Why do people always want to unite brothers on the same team? Where has it worked long-term anywhere besides the Sedins in Vancouver?

Jordan and Eric also Montreal with the two guys from Belarus

 

[Golden_Jet]

Eric and Jordan Staal in Carolina, though Mark and Eric in Florida is also on the list of "didn't works".

Henri and Maurice Richard
Bobby and Dennis Hull
Statsny’s

 

[Dog]

Henri and Maurice Richard
Bobby and Dennis Hull
Statsny’s

Sutters probably was the most brothers to play in NHL at 6 players. I mean of actually playing NHL games not just few games.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Sutters probably was the most brothers to play in NHL at 6 players. I mean of actually playing NHL games not just few games.

That would be fair if the 3 brothers I listed and you quoted, only played “just a few NHL games”.

 

[Chainshot]

and the Statsny brothers. what a couple of scrubs those guys were.

The question was the last time there were two and it worked. The Jones brothers kinda worked but it was closer to the Oreilly brothers than the Staals.

 

[Dog]

That would be fair if the 3 brothers I listed and you quoted, only played “just a few NHL games”.

Had nothing to do with the brothers you listed but for quantity and duration. If we heard of them means they played enough games.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Why do people always want to unite brothers on the same team? Where has it worked long-term anywhere besides the Sedins in Vancouver?

Worked out pretty good for Anaheim and the niedermeyers.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Had nothing to do with the brothers you listed but for quantity and duration. If we heard of them means they played enough games.

I don’t even know what you’re trying to say.

I listed 3 of the best combos, and there are others, that have been also mentioned already, so didn’t repeat those.
Not to mention the 6 Sutter brothers never played on the same team at the same time.

 

[OilerSuperstar17]

Why do people always want to unite brothers on the same team? Where has it worked long-term anywhere besides the Sedins in Vancouver?

May be because we see it so rarely? You don't see it anywhere else long-term, or for any term, because it's not given a chance.

 

[Marlowe Syn]

Just a player we’re fairly confident makes the NHL and helps a team win games. Doesn’t have to be a star, just a player who matters

Now granted I just did an internet look up of Shai's scouting report and a couple of YouTube videos. He looks to my amateur eye have a top4 all situation skillset ceiling. I believe either Pronman or Wheeler called him a high floor/low ceiling player during his draft. He's seems to be adapting and adjusting every time he does moves up in hockey tiers. I could see him pushing that ceiling higher.

Being developed by Shattuck-St. Mary and later the Denver University hockey program, arguably the best in the NCAA universe, certainly is a good sign. Detroit is pretty notorious for trying the slow bake style of development. Which usually seems to be the best approach for moist young defensemen.

Last name not with standing I wouldn't have an issue at all with a real world fair value deal to go down between Detroit and Minnesota. The Wild do have plenty of forward prospects, especially at wing if that is of interest. Let make a drug deal!

 

[Hasbro]

Why do people always want to unite brothers on the same team? Where has it worked long-term anywhere besides the Sedins in Vancouver?

The Stastnys, The Hulls, The Niedermeyers, two of the Staals.

 

[Schemp]

I think Shai will carve out a decent NHL career himself!

 

[CraigsList]

For young players being more comfortable in an organization. Extra motivation it causes players. Maybe to incentivize signing a player who may want to sign elsewhere because they don’t have any ties to a team that just selects a player in the draft. If they have family in the organization it makes it easier for that player.

Doesn’t always work. Treliving meddling with family/business with the Hamilton brothers is one of his biggest blunders as Flames GM. Why? Because waiving/trading the older yet inferior Hamilton caused the younger, more talented Hamilton to be disgruntled. It was so poorly handled we flipped him for other players, but at the same time we shouldn’t have had to do that. F. Hamilton wasn’t that special.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Now granted I just did an internet look up of Shai's scouting report and a couple of YouTube videos. He looks to my amateur eye have a top4 all situation skillset ceiling. I believe either Pronman or Wheeler called him a high floor/low ceiling player during his draft. He's seems to be adapting and adjusting every time he does moves up in hockey tiers. I could see him pushing that ceiling higher.

Being developed by Shattuck-St. Mary and later the Denver University hockey program, arguably the best in the NCAA universe, certainly is a good sign. Detroit is pretty notorious for trying the slow bake style of development. Which usually seems to be the best approach for moist young defensemen.

Last name not with standing I wouldn't have an issue at all with a real world fair value deal to go down between Detroit and Minnesota. The Wild do have plenty of forward prospects, especially at wing if that is of interest. Let make a drug deal!

Whatcha got in mind?

 

[Marlowe Syn]

That's the challenge isn't it? Liam Ohgren I think would very much interest Detroit, but I think that is too high of a price. Even if I do like Shai's game.

Hunter Haight
-or-
Rieger Lorenz

I'm sure my fellow Wilders will fling some poo in my direction

If you want defense prospects we have those to spare too. Just under the impression forwards are more important to the Wings pool