Post-Game Talk: Sewart Skinner in the FLA Swamp

[guymez]

Is it defending skinner to just state facts that happened?

Yes...yes it is.
Posters will continue to argue that a shot off the mask (from behind the net) is completely Skinners fault. Looking at any goal objectively will not be tolorated.
Hate = irrational.

Good on you for hanging in there though....

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Yes...yes it is.
Posters will continue to argue that a shot off the mask (from behind the net) is completely Skinners fault. Looking at any goal objectively will not be tolorated.
Hate = irrational.

Good on you for hanging in there though....

It is completely skinners fault.

He gave up 6 goals and you probably think he had a good game

 

[TheNumber4]

It is completely skinners fault.

He gave up 6 goals and you probably think he had a good game

He had a bad game cause he didn’t make enough big saves.

That’s different than saying every single goal was his fault.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Yes...yes it is.
Posters will continue to argue that a shot off the mask (from behind the net) is completely Skinners fault. Looking at any goal objectively will not be tolorated.
Hate = irrational.

Good on you for hanging in there though....

Aren’t you kind of the opposite of objective though?

 

[Fourier]

We're paying

Arvidsson - 4 million
Henrique - 3 million
Kane - 5.125 million
Skinner - 3 million

And we're not currently getting a whole lot of value back for this massive spend and all of these guys are probably past their prime, 2/4 of them have major injury question marks. I think a change needs to be made here.

Move at least one of these guys, you don't need all of them, and bring in back a Gibson or Talbot or Vejmelka.

If not pursue a Blomqvist or Soderblom or someone like that.

If not even that, at least get off your lazy ass and get a James Reimer for some insurance in case Skinner gets hurt so you're not at some point playing freaking Rodrigue with 0 NHL experience in actual NHL playoff games potentially.

I have in the past suggested Reimer as a backup. But I don't think at this stage he is even a big upgrade on Pickard who I expect you loose on waivers if you brought in Reimer. Pickard has been surprisingly effective and consistent.

Part of the problem is that you have two things that need to be balanced. This year and going forward. The guy I like is Vejmelka. But the price for Vejmelka may well be pretty high relative to that of a typical goalie because I suspect that Utah will want to re-sign him and they have a ton of cap space so they can offer him a lot to entice him to stay. I suspect he is not available without a massive offer until it is clear he is moving on. If you are going to spend significant assets you better expect him to be at the very least your 1B with pretty much equal time.

If your interest is in winning this year I don't see Blomqvist or Soderblom as being the move you make in season. Maybe in the off season. I'd be fine with Talbot at a reasonable price replacing Pickard, but then you still have Skinner as your #1 guy. Gibson is a risk that may be worth taking. But if he does not work out you have Campbell 2.0 on your hands.

 

[guymez]

Aren’t you kind of the opposite of objective though?

How so?

 

[TheNumber4]

Just to clarify on the rebound debate I had earlier in this thread.

This is what I would consider a bad rebound, and if this rebound was given up by Skinner, I would have blamed him for said bad rebound:



However, the rebound Skinner gave up in this game that bounced off Enbersons back and over his head is not the same situation. So I do not consider it bad rebound:




What’s the difference? The first shot hits Demko in the bread basket. He can with proper goalie technique and if he’s feeling it, corral that shot in his bread basket, then catch the rebound before it hits the ice. This is a taught and practiced goalie technique, and it’s reasonable to assume that if a goalie is playing well, he should be able to prevent that rebound.

The shot Skinner faced was off his Left shoulder. Specifically the upper portion of his left shoulder, which is why it pops directly upwards and hits Emberson right below the neck before bouncing in over his head. To see the location of where the puck hit skinner you’ll need to frame by frame it. But it’s clear as day where the puck hit skinner and where the puck hit Emberson when you do that.

 

[LevelingSolo]

Oh 100%.

Hill was all world by any metric and Skinner was... Not by any metric. Game 6 in particular, by the Numbers we should have won 5-2 but we lose 5-2. Most deflating Goaltending performance I can remember. We came out flying, and sewered by bad GA. Fight back - sewered by bad GA. Fight back again - sewered by bad GA.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20222023&game=30246

Series wide even - 22.01 xGF, 18.43 xGA - 18 GF, 22 GA.

Hill was really good and Skinner was really bad, and that's all she wrote.

Coaching as well, Woodcroft was awful and I believe that series put him on the hot seat

 

[GrumpyKoala]

He had a bad game cause he didn’t make enough big saves.

That’s different than saying every single goal was his fault.

Because he had a bad day, taking the team down
He gave some bad goal, cant turn it around
Happy about his game, the stats don't lie
Our only option so let's go for a ride
He had a bad day, the camera don't lie
He coming back down too early and don't really mind

So where is the saves when you need it the most?

One more time!
Had a bad day (Ah,)
Had a bad day (Ah, yeah-yeah, yeah-yeah, yeah)




Prediction of the night,
He actually bounce back whit a monster performance, and shut my pie hole !
The Bruins are dead to me! Go Oilers

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

How so?

Because people who give Skinner a rough time usually have stats / numbers to back it up.

While I find your defence of Skinner is usually opinion based.

 

[TheNumber4]

Because he had a bad day, taking the team down
He gave some bad goal, cant turn it around
Happy about his game, the stats don't lie
Our only option so let's go for a ride
He had a bad day, the camera don't lie
He coming back down too early and don't really mind

So where is the saves when you need it the most?

One more time!
Had a bad day (Ah,)
Had a bad day (Ah, yeah-yeah, yeah-yeah, yeah)




Prediction of the night,
He actually bounce back whit a monster performance, and shut my pie hole !
The Bruins are dead to me! Go Oilers

lol. I commend the effort and creativity Grumpy

 

[TB12]

Because people who give Skinner a rough time usually have stats / numbers to back it up.

While I find your defence of Skinner is usually opinion based.

And that opinion is that a goal from 2 feet behind the goal line is not a bad goal. SMH.

 

[TheNumber4]

Because people who give Skinner a rough time usually have stats / numbers to back it up.

While I find your defence of Skinner is usually opinion based.

You’re gonna hate me for saying this lol, but stats like 1GAA? Or +0.15 GSAx for the fancy folk out there. Was that an objective response to that game we saw?

This Florida game though. Yes, objectively bad game due to a lack of enough big saves. Does not mean objectively every goal was his fault, no.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

You’re gonna hate me for saying this lol, but stats like 1GAA? Or +0.15 GSAx for the fancy folk out there. Was that an objective response to that game we saw?

This Florida game though. Yes, objectively bad game due to a lack of enough big saves. Does not mean objectively every goal was his fault, no.

key word usually haha I should have known you were going to bring up the Vegas game.

 

[TheNumber4]

key word usually haha I should have known you were going to bring up the Vegas game.

I can’t unsee the things I’ve seen :p

Debatable on usually but we’re two hours a way from a brand new game so I won’t get into it lol.