Post-Game Talk: Sewart Skinner in the FLA Swamp

[Captain Controversy]

Bouchard playing his way to 9 million x 8 years. Love to see it.

 

[Fourier]

From my perspective: Skinner is way too inconsistent to comfortably see him as a strength in the playoffs, but there are probably no realistic alternatives this year that would be any better so make the rest of the team as good as possible and take your best shot.

 

[TheNumber4]

Bouchard playing his way to 9 million x 8 years. Love to see it.

Do we though? Do we?

But in all seriousness, him having an iffy regular season reducing his cap hit would be advantageous , as long as he brings what he brought in the playoffs last year to the playoffs this year, it won't be a problem.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

McDavid won the freakin Conn Smythe.

I know
But he still didn’t score in the Final 2 games…I mean, that’s a fact

You haven’t. You argument just has zero merit

No different than the “Skinner cost us the Cup” argument

They don’t even make it that far if they performed on the level that Skinner did

And they don’t make the final if Skinner doesn’t outplay Oetinger

 

[harpoon]

Your obsession with save pct is very reminasant of the plus/minus crowd from years back. Just saying

I know, right? The people who ignore SV% and +/- and focus exclusively on Xthis and /60that are the ones with all the right answers.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I know, right? The people who ignore SV% and +/- and focus exclusively on Xthis and /60that are the ones with all the right answers.

Or focus on watching and understanding systems, execution and breakdowns. Usually the most reliable way

 

[Soundwave]

Or focus on watching and understanding systems, execution and breakdowns. Usually the most reliable way

I mean by any metric, Skinner is nothing special, even his own advocates on this board will admit he's a massively up and down goalie.

I would say he is basically a David Riitich tier goalie.

Which ever one of those points you align with, the fact is we are massively handicapping ourselves in net for not a great reason.

Every opponent we face is happy we have him in net, because if we had someone better they'd really, really be f***ed as no one in the league has a 1-2 as good as McDavid-Draisaitl upfront. With Skinner at least they have a shot, if they have a better goalie, they can claw back some of the disparity there.

 

[iCanada]

McDavid won the freakin Conn Smythe.

Just to add to that and properly put it in perspective - he won the Conn Smythe by breaking a Gretzky record so outlandishly absurd and unheard of it was literally thought to be unbreakable.

Meanwhile Skinner set the record for lowest recorded save percentage ever in a series win since the league started recording save percentages.

One of those things is obscenely ridiculously good. The other is obscenely ridiculously bad.

It's absurd we're having this discussion.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

We switch goalies in any of the last 3 series oilers have played and lost oilers win the Cup.
Skinner is close to junk.
It’s beyond comical the blame is anywhere but at the feet of Skinner.

 

[iCanada]

We switch goalies in any of the last 3 series oilers have played and lost oilers win the Cup.
Skinner is close to junk.
It’s beyond comical the blame is anywhere but at the feet of Skinner.

I mean, I don't know if we beat the AVS.

We definitely beat the Knights and the Panthers though.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

We switch goalies in any of the last 3 series oilers have played and lost oilers win the Cup.
Skinner is close to junk.
It’s beyond comical the blame is anywhere but at the feet of Skinner.

Somehow they do not see this up top. They are wasting away prime cup chances.

At least either:

1 - Play Pickard more
2 - Change goalie coach
3 - Find a guy to replace Pickard who you think can play in a playoff run if Stu falters too much

It's like they stick their head in the sand. They refuse to play Pickard more and see how much endurance he even has. Refuse the other options as well.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We switch goalies in any of the last 3 series oilers have played and lost oilers win the Cup.
Skinner is close to junk.
It’s beyond comical the blame is anywhere but at the feet of Skinner.

2 goals scored in Games 1, 2, and 7 combined.

Skinner should've scored more, I agree.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

2 goals scored in Games 1, 2, and 7 combined.

Skinner should've scored more, I agree.

Its hilarious watching you defend Skinner yet you pretty much told everyone you were done posting here after Mike Smith sucked against Colorado.

 

[TheNumber4]

Its hilarious watching you defend Skinner yet you pretty much told everyone you were done posting here after Mike Smith sucked against Colorado.

Is it defending skinner to just state facts that happened?

 

[TB12]

Just to add to that and properly put it in perspective - he won the Conn Smythe by breaking a Gretzky record so outlandishly absurd and unheard of it was literally thought to be unbreakable.

Meanwhile Skinner set the record for lowest recorded save percentage ever in a series win since the league started recording save percentages.

One of those things is obscenely ridiculously good. The other is obscenely ridiculously bad.

It's absurd we're having this discussion.

THIS.

Its hilarious watching you defend Skinner yet you pretty much told everyone you were done posting here after Mike Smith sucked against Colorado.

Like.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

Is it defending skinner to just state facts that happened?

I believe the post you are responding to is a proven fact.
Yet here we are.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I believe the post you are responding to is a proven fact.
Yet here we are.

It was the Kings series, actually.

Of course none of that actually changes what I said. They scored 2 goals combined in games 1, 2, and 7. That lost them the series.

I think back to the Winnipeg series where we managed all of one goal in games 1 and 2 and went down 2-0 in the series and never came back.

 

[LevelingSolo]

I mean, I don't know if we beat the AVS.

We definitely beat the Knights and the Panthers though.

Yeah I don’t think they get by the 2022 Avs but it’s probably not a sweep

I still think goaltending was the difference against Vegas in 2023

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Yeah I don’t think they get by the 2022 Avs but it’s probably not a sweep

I still think goaltending was the difference against Vegas in 2023

I recall some costly penalties as well.

 

[iCanada]

Yeah I don’t think they get by the 2022 Avs but it’s probably not a sweep

I still think goaltending was the difference against Vegas in 2023

Oh 100%.

Hill was all world by any metric and Skinner was... Not by any metric. Game 6 in particular, by the Numbers we should have won 5-2 but we lose 5-2. Most deflating Goaltending performance I can remember. We came out flying, and sewered by bad GA. Fight back - sewered by bad GA. Fight back again - sewered by bad GA.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20222023&game=30246

Series wide even - 22.01 xGF, 18.43 xGA - 18 GF, 22 GA.

Hill was really good and Skinner was really bad, and that's all she wrote.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I recall some costly penalties as well.

And a stupid suspension before a key game 5.

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

We are doing just fine as a team.
By the last quarter of January we will be on top of the Pacific and top 5 in the league
setting up for lots of home ice in the playoffs

 

[Tobias Kahun]

And a stupid suspension before a key game 5.

The same suspension that’s been rescinded every other time.

NHL is a joke

 

[Soundwave]

From my perspective: Skinner is way too inconsistent to comfortably see him as a strength in the playoffs, but there are probably no realistic alternatives this year that would be any better so make the rest of the team as good as possible and take your best shot.

We're paying

Arvidsson - 4 million
Henrique - 3 million
Kane - 5.125 million
Skinner - 3 million

And we're not currently getting a whole lot of value back for this massive spend and all of these guys are probably past their prime, 2/4 of them have major injury question marks. I think a change needs to be made here.

Move at least one of these guys, you don't need all of them, and bring in back a Gibson or Talbot or Vejmelka.

If not pursue a Blomqvist or Soderblom or someone like that.

If not even that, at least get off your lazy ass and get a James Reimer for some insurance in case Skinner gets hurt so you're not at some point playing freaking Rodrigue with 0 NHL experience in actual NHL playoff games potentially.