Post-Game Talk: Sewart Skinner in the FLA Swamp

[Soundwave]

Absolutely.

The problem being and what I’ve said now 4 times, there’s not much out there that’s better.

Unless you’re getting Vejmelka, Montembeault, UPL or Saros you’re not solving jack shit.

There's like 50 guys ahead of Skinner in GSAA, many of them playing behind far worse defensive structures, lol. How hard is it to get even ONE of them as an insurance 1B option at least?

This team just doesn't want to hear that their goaltending is bad because they've already drank the kool-aid on the "wouldn't it be cool to win a Cup with a dude who's from Edmonton and has a funny mustache!". They're all in on the fantasy at this point.

They won't break from it, though I bet they are f***ing sour as shit about tonight's loss upstairs, lol.

 

[Oilhawks]

I’ve heard McD critique lots of areas of our game. Whether that’s clean finishing, team defence, effort or whatever. So I’ve seen evidence of his critiques. When and where did he ever bring up Skinner?

He's smart, you don't throw the goalie under the bus, even if he's worthy of criticism.

I would be astounded if he's never been frustrated with Stuart Skinner. If worse came to pass vs the Cansucks last playoffs, I think Skinner would have been gone, and partly due to 'special requests' from leadership

 

[Murphinator]

I’ve heard McD critique lots of areas of our game. Whether that’s clean finishing, team defence, effort or whatever. So I’ve seen evidence of his critiques. When and where did he ever bring up Skinner?

Why would he bring up Skinner? That would make him look bad as a captain if he said "oh we lost because of skinner." But you honestly think his save percentage hasnt crossed his mind?

 

[Jumptheshark]

you'll get this like. Love Golden Earring!

I saw their last gig in Rotterdam in 2019

 

[foshizzle]

1.5GA X Stu Skinner coefficient. Just saying.

I forgot to add that in…

 

[TheNumber4]

He's the best in the McDavid era, so if you're going to shit on him, what does it say about the others?

They are LAZY. Lazy, lazy, lazy, sorry if you don't like to hear it.

They can't even fire their mediocre goaltending coach even after he resoundingly recommended Jack Campbell, lol.

How many teams would bet the farm on a rando KHL goalie and then keep his mediocre ass for 4 full seasons. How hard did they really try to move that guy? They just saw ancient ass Smith and decided to go cheap.

Talbot has had how many up and down years by the way? In 13 seasons he has lower than .908 save percentage like twice. I'd say that's pretty f***ing consistent.

Their "try" is pathetic. No other NHL org IMO would run themselves this way not if given McDavid and Draisaitl, probably not even Buffalo.

I doubt they try anything this year either, doesn't matter if Skinner has mediocre numbers all through the season. STOOOOEY is our guy! That's THAT!

So being lazy is trying like 6 different goalies in 6 years?

Wouldn’t lazier mean they just stick with the one and call it a day?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I’ve heard McD critique lots of areas of our game. Whether that’s clean finishing, team defence, effort or whatever. So I’ve seen evidence of his critiques. When and where did he ever bring up Skinner?

Lol when have you ever seen a player openly criticize goaltending…

 

[Soundwave]

I’ve heard McD critique lots of areas of our game. Whether that’s clean finishing, team defence, effort or whatever. So I’ve seen evidence of his critiques. When and where did he ever bring up Skinner?

A captain will never shit on a goalie ever, McDavid has never done that to any goalie. Never does it to any individual frankly, so if that's what you're waiting for, it ain't gonna happen ever.

 

[Oilhawks]

If we get Monty I will literally construct a Jeff Jackson statue in my front yard.

The time to make the goaltending move was the offseason. Otherwise you overpay for meh like the Avs have been doing. Bowman has his hands tied with these two goaltenders now. And for anyone who wants to say "why didn't he get a goalie after he got hired?" well, he already had to make moves to clear cap after Jackson capped out the team with his 'season of Jeff' UFA signings.

 

[Soundwave]

So being lazy is trying like 6 different goalies in 6 years?

Wouldn’t lazier mean they just stick with the one and call it a day?

How much effort did they put into scouting those guys? They don't want to pay anything for goaltending because they're cheap and they think they're just owed a Cup with anyone.

 

[TheNumber4]

He's smart, you don't throw the goalie under the bus, even if he's worthy of criticism.

I would be astounded if he's never been frustrated with Stuart Skinner. If worse came to pass vs the Cansucks last playoffs, I think Skinner would have been gone, and partly due to 'special requests' from leadership

So we are just going to assume he says the opposite of what he means? He did say in those series and Dallas series lots of praise for Stu too you know.

I wouldn’t make that assumption.

 

[Soundwave]

The time to make the goaltending move was the offseason. Otherwise you overpay for meh like the Avs have been doing. Bowman has his hands tied with these two goaltenders now. And for anyone who wants to say "why didn't he get a goalie after he got hired?" well, he already had to make moves to clear cap after Jackson capped out the team with his 'season of Jeff' UFA signings.

I don't really buy that.

Even if Skinner was having a great year and was .915 or some shit, they probably still need to get a 3rd goalie.

Because what exactly are you gonna do if Skinner gets hurt? Then your tandem in a make or break year is a guy 40 games removed from the AHL in Pickard and Broissoit who hasn't even played a period in the NHL?

You would put that tandem into a playoff run for example?

Like this is just blatantly stupid what this org is doing.

 

[TheNumber4]

How much effort did they put into scouting those guys? They don't want to pay anything for goaltending because they're cheap and they think they're just owed a Cup with anyone.

Who knows. But they’ve since added a goalie scout, that shows effort doesn’t it? And someone previous to that goalie scout did scout those 6 other dudes. So that shows effort, it doesn’t show competency but it shows effort.

Lol when have you ever seen a player openly criticize goaltending…

I guess it’s rare. But that doesn’t mean we should assume the opposite of his own words. he’s said many times he trusts Stu and has praised stu. Even crediting Stu with the entirety of Wins.

 

[UpHere]

Skinner is elite. I will die on this hill. Hopefully I'm not eating crow at the end of the season but until then, he's a great goalie on an excellent contract.you used

there's elite and there's great, two words you used - i personally believe that every goalie that suits up for even one nhl game is a great goalie - the elite ones are the consistently great ones - which is Stu? I have no idea - he frustrates the shit out of me at times, but he's also a victim of a less than stellar team defence - it would be nice for a shot to accidentally hit him like it does for us seemingly all the time, but while i'm going to curse him for these saveable goals, I'm not going to pretend that there's some white knight goalie out there that will solve all our OTHER problems too - despite his sometimes ugly numbers I'd give him an average grade - good enough to win the Cup? i dunno... but I can't name someone who'd swoop in and save us

 

[Soundwave]

Who knows. But they’ve since added a goalie scout, that shows effort doesn’t it? And someone previous to that goalie scout did scout those 6 other dudes. So that shows effort, it doesn’t show competency but it shows effort.


I guess it’s rare. But that doesn’t mean we should assume so. Especially when he’s also said many times he trusts in Stu.

Rare? I've never ever seen it happen and I've been watching NHL games since the 80s when Gretzky was playing.

I don't think I can ever recall a time where a forward or D threw a goalie under the bus in public. You don't do that.

There's one guy that can maybe do that and that's the head coach.

 

[TheNumber4]

Rare? I've never ever seen it happen and I've been watching NHL games since the 80s when Gretzky was playing.

I don't think I can ever recall a time where a forward or D threw a goalie under the bus in public. You don't do that.

There's one guy that can maybe do that and that's the head coach.

Yeh that’s more a coaches thing. We know Knob has no issue calling out Stu. And has before. Funny how he doesn’t do it in games when he lets in one breakaway goal. Or games where the defence completely shits the bed.

 

[foshizzle]

SOme people don't remember how much COL fans ragged on Mack

Mack looked like a whatever player for years and bloomed later. He did get lucky to get Makar, that's for sure.

lol- conspiracy theorist in me says PED. His game changed literally changed overnight

 

[Soundwave]

Yeh that’s more a coaches thing. We know Knob has no issue calling out Stu. And has before. Funny how he doesn’t do it in games when he lets in one breakaway goal. Or games where the defence completely shits the bed.

Knob has called out Skinner like once or twice ever, lol. A coach is not going to overplay that card either. It doesn't help. The guy sucks, he knows he sucks, you're not going to make the situation better by saying in public "gee our goalie sure sucks, huh?".

 

[Ibanez]

“Costly mistakes that shouldn’t happen” - Knoblauchs summation of the game.

Those mistakes will get cleaned up. Easilly correctable. Ain’t nothing you can do but move on and trust that it will. And it will, with this team and this coach it will.

Did he actually say that? I didn’t watch the post game

 

[Soundwave]

lol- conspiracy theorist in me says PED. His game changed literally changed overnight

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if PED usage is a lot more common in the NHL and NBA than people think. It's very easy to evade the testing because the last thing either league wants is a PED scandal ala MLB. That hurt MLB for years/decades, probably still to this day.

 

[nexttothemoon]

High stick to Skinner's head... no penalty called because why not allow high sticks now.

Goal clearly kicked in... of course that's allowed because it's a Sunshine State team.

Double minor to Nurse for... reasons... leads to PP goal.

Refs tried very hard to give the edge to Florida and in the end they did just enough to gift them the win.

Both teams played like shit... edge was given to the Panthers by the refs and they were gifted the 2 pts.

Congrats Gary... your biased, crooked league is fooling no one.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

The time to make the goaltending move was the offseason. Otherwise you overpay for meh like the Avs have been doing. Bowman has his hands tied with these two goaltenders now. And for anyone who wants to say "why didn't he get a goalie after he got hired?" well, he already had to make moves to clear cap after Jackson capped out the team with his 'season of Jeff' UFA signings.

Yep exactly.

As I keep saying if we wanted to make a goaltending move it was 2021. Smith was out of contract. Kosko had a year left.

Ullmark was available. Kuemper was available. One has won a cup and the other a Vezina since then.

 

[TheNumber4]

Knob has called out Skinner like once or twice ever, lol. A coach is not going to overplay that card either. It doesn't help. The guy sucks, he knows he sucks, you're not going to make the situation better by saying in public "gee our goalie sure sucks, huh?".

“Stu of last year is not the Stu of this year”

It was after that statement where Stu’s game started uptrending. I think he plays the card when it’s appropriate. And he picked a great time to play that card. He wouldn’t say it after every goal and every loss though, cause that would be inaccurate and show he has a bad read of the game.

 

[Soundwave]

Yep exactly.

As I keep saying if we wanted to make a goaltending move it was 2021. Smith was out of contract. Kosko had a year left.

Ullmark was available. Kuemper was available. One has won a cup and the other a Vezina since then.

We don't need a superstar. Get a f***ing 1B (I say 1B, but it would really be a 1A ... Pickard is damn near outplaying Skinner).

If you can't find a goalie better than Calvin Pickard, who is already outperforming Skinner now for 2 years, you're not even trying seriously.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

lol, they're the laziest team in the league for goaltending. Won't even change the goaltending coach.

Glen Sather gifted them the best goalie in the McDavid era for peanuts in Talbot as a favor.

They then "tried so hard" that were the geniuses that went and got some no-name turd from the KHL and then some how signed him to a three year extension and then ON TOP of that didn't really even try to trade this guy, he some how played his ENTIRE contract here with us, lol.

You call that effort?

Then because they were too lazy to move Koskinen, they just signed 39 year old Mike Smith cuz Dave Tippett.

And then the ONE year they actually can say they tried, they decided Jack Campbell was the guy. He had to shame them into utter embarrassment before Holland was forced at gun point to send him to the AHL. Dude likely had a drinking problem while he was here, doubt anyone in the front office had any clue.

So that's done with, and what do they do? Just do the zero effort approach and annoint their 3rd round pick goalie the chosen one starter no questions asked because he's from the Edmonton area and has a funny mustache, so that's gotta work.

This is the laziest org in the NHL looking for goalies. It's almost funny.

For what it's worth they also went all in for Markstrom and he chose to sign for less in Calgary.