Proposal: Severson to TOR

[Zybalto]

Fewest goals allowed/60 since October 17th (400 min minimum, 133 dmen)

1. Zaitsev
2. Gards

Leafs are not looking to replace these two for a cup run but are trying to find a partner for Rielly long term. Would be great to get one this year (and have an excellent bottom pairing of Hainsey/Dermott) but cap issues are probably going to force them to play it out with a minor move for RHD depth.

 

[sd1976]

BS?

BS is claiming that Severson would be the worst defensive player on the Leafs blue line.

It's not just BS, it's clueless. It's pretty obvious you don't know a thing about Severson, and yet, that didn't stop you from weighing in on his value.

His skillset leans more to the offensive side of the ledger, but he's still capable defensively and adds much needed physicality. At worst - at worst - he'd be in the middle of the pack defensively on the Maple Leafs but he'd be clearly better than Gardiner and Zaitsev for sure.

And now who is showing themselves to be clueless?

 

[sd1976]

This is just sad.

What’s sad is you keep trying to go down a dead end road. You are wrong by every metric available and by the eye test. Prove otherwise or move it along.

 

[sd1976]

I have plenty of basis in that I am fully aware of each player because I have seen them play often.

I didn't say Severson would be better than Gardiner. I said he would be better defensively than Gardiner and frankly I'm amazed that anyone would dispute that.

Literally everyone disputes that. You are on an island my friend.

 

[lebdafor norris]

I have plenty of basis in that I am fully aware of each player because I have seen them play often.

I didn't say Severson would be better than Gardiner. I said he would be better defensively than Gardiner and frankly I'm amazed that anyone would dispute that.

Gardiner's 5 vs 5 goals against average for this whole season; 1.81 (best among Leafs Dmen)
Severson's 5 vs 5 goals against average for this whole season; 3.27 (only Yakolev has a worst goals against average than him on the entire Jersey team)

Not sure what is so indisputable about your claim.

 

[Pyrophorus]

LOL. Have you ever watched a game where the Leafs aren't playing? Bratt is literally the most valuable piece in the trade. It's quite clearly Bratt>Severson/Kapanen>Tor 1st. You can argue if Severson or Kapanen are worth more, but no way in hell either hold as much value as Bratt who literally carried our 2nd line for the games he was playing with MarJo and Zacha (2 guys who are not high end 2nd line caliber players).

Edit: We wouldn't trade Bratt for your 2019 and 2020 1sts, even if they had no protection. Hell, outside of your premier players there are few players that would interest us for Bratt. I wouldn't even swap Bratt for Nylander after that anchor of a contract you gave him.

Ok, you feel this way, great.
The numbers don't bear this out as being true.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Bratt is far and away the best player in this deal. Laughable proposal.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Bratt is far and away the best player in this deal. Laughable proposal.

He has 2 goals this year. Let's pump the brakes on calling him far and away better than Kapanen

 

[Devilsfan992]

Term. His cap hit is OK, but it's to long.

What's wrong with having a Top 4D locked up for his 24-28 years? If anything, his low cap hit + term makes his contract phenomenal.

 

[FerrisRox]

Literally everyone disputes that. You are on an island my friend.

You are speaking for every other hockey observer?

 

[Fogelhund]

He has 2 goals this year. Let's pump the brakes on calling him far and away better than Kapanen

Seriously... this thread is a like a Meme of what is wrong with HF boards. Bratt the best player in the trade... LOL

 

[sd1976]

You are speaking for every other hockey observer?

No just the ones in the thread you posted in. Is there any other simple item that you need explained for you or are you going to come back with more sarcasm to bait others into responding harshly?

 

[Liferleafer]

What's wrong with having a Top 4D locked up for his 24-28 years? If anything, his low cap hit + term makes his contract phenomenal.

If he played with any concistancy, you'd be correct.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He has 2 goals this year. Let's pump the brakes on calling him far and away better than Kapanen

Watch him play and get back to me.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Watch him play and get back to me.

How about you dont make outlandish claims with no supporting evidence?

 

[Devilsfan992]

If he played with any concistancy, you'd be correct.

He's been more stable this year than past years.

Also if he had been more consistent, he would be making a lot more than 4 million a year.

 

[Liferleafer]

He's been more stable this year than past years.

Also if he had been more consistent, he would be making a lot more than 4 million a year.

Agreed. I don't mind him....i just wonder where he fits if we actually find a partner for Rielly.

 

[patriotfan]

I like Bratt a lot and don't think Jersey should be in the business of even entertaining moving him. But Severson has looked incredibly ordinary to me this year, especially in his own zone. Kapanen + 1 + 2 is quite a payment.

I cant believe this proposal, its crazy overpayment common get a real life buddy with this proposal, I wouldn't trade kapanen straight up for this guy, common ……….

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

How about you dont make outlandish claims with no supporting evidence?

Bratt, age 20:
48p in 97 career games

Kapanen, age 22:
35p in 94 career games

How's that for supporting evidence?

 

[Cheddabombs]

Seriously... this thread is a like a Meme of what is wrong with HF boards. Bratt the best player in the trade... LOL

The irony in this post is incredible.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Bratt, age 20:
48p in 97 career games

Kapanen, age 22:
35p in 94 career games

How's that for supporting evidence?

Pretty lousy since you tried to make the claim that Bratt is currently way better. If you want to use Kapanen's production as a 4th liner a few years ago, you've failed. Hopefully you can admit to being wrong now

 

[Puckclektr]

How about you dont make outlandish claims with no supporting evidence?

What about the fact that he has missed a third of the games and played only 23 games yet has 11 assists. Until Hall was injured Bratt has been playing on the third line most of the season(doesn't mean he is a third line player). 23 games 13 points after coming back from an injury and not on the same level playing field as everyone else. The guy was out of the game for a month. How is Nylander doing? 11 games 2 points. Does that mean that Bratt is better than Nylander? Judging by you then I guess Bratt is better than Nylander.
Lets look at Kapanens stats and where he was at the same age as Bratt . 8 games and one point. What about last year as a year older than Bratt? 38 games 9 points.
This year they are both similar in PPG and Bratt is two years younger. But wait there is more.....Who is Kapanen playing with compared to who Bratt is playing with? Bratt is better than Kapanen. Bratt is actually closer to Nylander when it comes to talent level and not because of stats, but becasue I watch both of them play on a regular basis.

 

[viceroy]

Bratt is far and away the best player in this deal. Laughable proposal.

He has 2 goals this year. Let's pump the brakes on calling him far and away better than Kapanen

Watch him play and get back to me.

How about you dont make outlandish claims with no supporting evidence?

Bratt, age 20:
48p in 97 career games

Kapanen, age 22:
35p in 94 career games

How's that for supporting evidence?

Awesome exchange. Terrific smackdown.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Awesome exchange. Terrific smackdown.

His supporting evidence doesn't line up with his original claim. An easy way to realize that is that age has nothing to do with who's currently the better player

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

His supporting evidence doesn't line up with his original claim. An easy way to realize that is that age has nothing to do with who's currently the better player

Production does, though, right? Bratt’s scoring at a 37% higher clip.