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The question here is how much is the acquisition cost with retention. I think there would be teams interested if there is retention of between 2-3M, but obviously the cost goes up too.

So what is the ballpark cost with 2M retained and 3M retained?
 
Bruce Granville said:
Unfortunately for Jones, HE forced his way out of Columbus and agreed to sign this contract.
Let him rot and enjoy the money. Golf starts in April, every year…
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That's a funny way of saying that he informed Columbus he wouldn't be signing an extension with one season remaining on his contact and would instead, explore his options in becoming a ufa. Plenty of players do that and it's not considered forcing their way out.
 
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5 14 6 1 said:
If anyone actually watched the Oilers this year they'd understand. Nurse has been playing his best hockey since the Canadian division.
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It's that. It's also the hater bias against Nurse/Oilers around here and the amount of eyeballs on Nurse in general (being on a premier team featuring McDavid that makes it to the playoffs). Lots of eyes and lots looking to hate on Nurse, even valid comments from within our own fanbase looking for faults. This creates a narrative that he's horrible at hockey. Whereas, who really cares what's going on CBJ or a rebuilding Chicago? The haters are less apparent, the microscope on Jones and his obvious faults never talked about or cared about.
 
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Crazy8oooo said:
That's a funny way of saying that he informed Columbus he wouldn't be signing an extension with one season remaining on his contact and would instead, explore his options in becoming a ufa. Plenty of players do that and it's not considered forcing their way out.
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Plenty of CBJ fans are still very hurt by his decision, even though they have ZERO idea as to what was ever said between him and the team/Jarmo. My personal theory is that he didn’t like the complete direction of the team at the time, and also didn’t get along with certain players on the team.

It could be looked at that the team moved on from him, in the same way he moved on from the team. Even the concept of him not wanting to go through a “rebuild” shouldn’t really be looked at that terribly. As you point out, a pretty regular situation in pro sports. The CBJ quite literally have had their worst stretch in the organization since he was moved, up until just this year.

Jones back to the CBJ is the move, IMO. Werenski-Jones again. I’m all about it. The price? Don’t really know, or care.
 
Crazy8oooo said:
That's a funny way of saying that he informed Columbus he wouldn't be signing an extension with one season remaining on his contact and would instead, explore his options in becoming a ufa. Plenty of players do that and it's not considered forcing their way out.
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The forcing part came in when he refused to sign a contract anywhere but Chicago…and now he isn‘t happy? Or Chicago thinks they overpaid? What a pity.
 
malcb33 said:
The question here is how much is the acquisition cost with retention. I think there would be teams interested if there is retention of between 2-3M, but obviously the cost goes up too.

So what is the ballpark cost with 2M retained and 3M retained?
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Should be 4th round pick per year, these days.
 
Bruce Granville said:
The forcing part came in when he refused to sign a contract anywhere but Chicago…and now he isn‘t happy? Or Chicago thinks they overpaid? What a pity.
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Yeah, I think we have different definitions of “forcing your way out”. I’d look at a player who demands a trade as forcing their way out. A player saying they’re going to exercise their right to test the market after their contract is up, is what players do every single year. And I have no idea if he’s happy or not and don’t really care.

thebus88 said:
Plenty of CBJ fans are still very hurt by his decision, even though they have ZERO idea as to what was ever said between him and the team/Jarmo. My personal theory is that he didn’t like the complete direction of the team at the time, and also didn’t get along with certain players on the team.

It could be looked at that the team moved on from him, in the same way he moved on from the team. Even the concept of him not wanting to go through a “rebuild” shouldn’t really be looked at that terribly. As you point out, a pretty regular situation in pro sports. The CBJ quite literally have had their worst stretch in the organization since he was moved, up until just this year.

Jones back to the CBJ is the move, IMO. Werenski-Jones again. I’m all about it. The price? Don’t really know, or care.
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I understand the hurt. We invest our emotions in our favorite teams and players and things like that affect us emotionally. Would CBJ be open to bringing him back and has there been talk of it? Would be interesting.
 
BigDaddyLurch said:
...perhaps my use of "better" wasn't the proper term; "more valuable" fits...for all his shortcomings, Jones is still a Top Pairing offensively-minded RD; a far more valuable commodity in most NHL markets than a physically imposing 2nd Pairing LD who doesn't really stand out on either side of the puck...while there's no question that Nurse is far better both physically & defensively, he's still not a great defender, imo...
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Nurse stands out defensively. He is top 10 or better in that regard. I don’t think you watch him play that much if you are being honest with yourself. At the same price point, Nurse is the better overall D and more valuable.
 
oilers4life5 said:
Nurse stands out defensively. He is top 10 or better in that regard. I don’t think you watch him play that much if you are being honest with yourself. At the same price point, Nurse is the better overall D and more valuable.
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...I've missed 3 Oil games this season...three...no, Nurse is not Top 10 defensively...not Top 20...imo, not Top 30...that's the Oil fan in you talking...
 
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If the Hawks are willing to use a retention spot for 5 years at 1.5-2.5 as some have suggested they should just retain max and actually get a great haul. Honestly 3-5 of those 5 year will likely be nowhere near the cap ceiling. Why search out a luke warm market on him at 7m. If the retention spot is used, the team isn’t spending to the ceiling, it’s an opportunity to pull value, especially if the value is built around futures.
 
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DingDongCharlie said:
If the Hawks are willing to use a retention spot for 5 years at 1.5-2 as some have suggested they should just retain max and actually get a great haul. Honestly 3-5 of those 5 year will likely be nowhere near the cap ceiling
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Retaining $4.75 million of dead cap in 2029-30 is pretty wild. Bedard will be 24 then and Alex Vlasic will be 28. Hard to imagine anyone offering that good a haul.
 
I wonder if the Hawks retained 1M and paid SJ in picks/prospects to also retain 1M what the cost there would be. I hate the idea of retaining 2M for 5 years, but 1M is stomachable.
 
what about a trade with Carolina Jesperi Kot at 4.85 for 5 more years for Seth. both are over paid. JK is a 4th line center being paid like a middle pairing. Jones is paid like a top paring but is a middle pairing.
 
Jones with no retention will go like Laine did

Jones + 2nd for B prospect

If retained let's say 4mil then your getting a 2nd back instead + a B prospect.
 
Crazy8oooo said:
That's a funny way of saying that he informed Columbus he wouldn't be signing an extension with one season remaining on his contact and would instead, explore his options in becoming a ufa. Plenty of players do that and it's not considered forcing their way out.
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he also gave them a list of 2-3 teams (iirc) who he would sign an extension with.

i'm not saying he was unprofessional about it but i would argue that "i won't sign here" + "there are two teams i would extend with" isn't practically all that different from forcing his way out. he created a scenario where the only viable thing for the franchise to do was to trade him to a team he wanted to go to.
 
Should just keep him and play him less there are absolutely zero cap issues for us. Hes playing his absolute worst hockey since the injury. He was playing good to start the year.
 
Juxtaposer said:
I know people don't watch too many Hawks games, but good lord is Jones shockingly bad when you watch him. I would rather pay him $2M to play for some other team than pay him $7.5M to play for mine.
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This is killing me. Because he was playing really well before missing time. But there's no disputing that Jones is now phoning it in. He looks like he's wearing lead skates.

I think attitude and opportunity might still turn things for him if he changed teams. I'd still check on the price if I was Toronto, as a minute eating right-shot defender could make a huge difference.
 
Blackhawkswincup said:
Problem here would be Jones NMC
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I think it's an easy waive to go from Chicago to a team in Montreal showing signs of life.

It's not exactly as if he's leaving a cup contender.

Juxtaposer said:
I know people don't watch too many Hawks games, but good lord is Jones shockingly bad when you watch him. I would rather pay him $2M to play for some other team than pay him $7.5M to play for mine.
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I think he's surviving a lot on reputation at this point.
 
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