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Speculation: Seth Jones says he's talking with the Blackhawks about the possibility of a trade

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Assuming Tkachuk goes on LTIR

To :panthers
D Seth Jones ($2M retained, $7.5M cap hit going forward)
To :hawks
RW Jack Devine
G Kirill Gerasimyuk
Panthers 2026 1st round pick

Hawks I have imagine have seen plenty of Devine watching Thompson and can sign both after season. Gerasimyuk gives Hawks long-term potential prospect to develop in Russia in net (G is not strength of Hawks system with Gajan and Commesso struggling). Get a 2026 1st

Panthers get Jones with $2M retention and at $7.5M thru next 5 years is very cost appropriate replacement for Ekblad at RD
 
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DingDongCharlie said:
Chicago is going to have to retain 2m per year to move this contract. There's a limited number of clubs that could even afford him at 7.5m. Now that list needs to be teams Jones would be willing to waive for.

These proposals with no retention, including expiring cap dumps are laughable. Teams aren't going to commit 9.5m to Jones.

I could see Dallas and Colorado being interested as others mentioned. Maybe the Manson/Wood proposal is workable as Manson has another year and Wood's runs the full length of the Jones deal ( I could be wrong as I haven't checked to confirm - but I know Wood is signed 2.5m for long term).

That said I'm not convinced Colorado would want that contract without retention. Moving Wood doesn't open up much cap and you still have to ice his replacement. This is a club that will be looking to extend Necas. Beyond that being obvious, judging by Rantanen's comments made about be willing to sign for less and his experience to date post trade, I wouldn't be the least bit shock if Rantanen's camp circles back to Colorado on July 1st at a number both the team and player are happy with. They also have to extend Drouin. I think a trade to Colorado could make sense it's probably an off season move when the cap picture is clearer.

For Dallas I thought they were shopping with Seguin's LTIR money? That's not typical to see a team go spend it on a long term contract. Possible I suppose with the cap rising. Even still with Dumba mentioned and being on a expiring deal I'd be hesitant to think Dallas would want the full 9.5m next year on the books. Less likely they pay good assets to be the club doing it.

Being one of the few teams Jones will waive for is going to give those short listed clubs some leverage.
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I dont think the Blackhawks have an issue with retaining. Yea it locks in a retention spot for 5 years but 2 million isn't that much for a rebuilding team and in a rising cap world.

Kevin Musto said:
He won't waive his NMC for Canada.

Dallas, Florida, Tampa, and Vegas are probably the only places he'd go. Maybe Colorado if he feels like he can win there and they're the only place willing to take him.
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I think Colorados more than maybe. He spent a good chunk of his childhood there and they're obviously a top cup contender still firmly in their cup window.
 
Kevin Musto said:
OPTION 4

To Chicago:
:hawks
-Conor Sheary
-Conor Geekie
-the rights to Isaac Howard

To Tampa:
:bolts
-Seth Jones (@50% retention)
-Lukas Reichel
-2025 Dallas 2nd round pick
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OPTION 5

To Chicago:
:hawks
-Chris Kreider
-Will Cuylle

To NYR:
:rangers
-Seth Jones
-Ryan Donato
-Lukas Reichel
-2025 Toronto 1st round pick
-2025 Dallas 2nd round pick
 
John Mandalorian said:
He’s 30. You can’t guarantee his aging curve. Therefore, the only thing you have as a selling point is what he is right now as a player. If the Blackhawks retain 2 million but he falls off a cliff next year, the Blackhawks made out.
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Fine, 1 million retention
 
ItsFineImFine said:
I'm not sure he's worth 50% retained atm maybe closer to 60-70% retained.

But then again the Hawks make everyone look worse than they are who knows.
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It is obvious from your post you have bought into the social media narrative around Jones and don’t actually watch the Hawks, which I don’t blame you for because they are tough to watch.

To say Jones who has 26 points in 40 games and sits 33rd in scoring amongst all defensemen in the NHL isn’t worth 50% of his contract value ($4,750,000 per season x 5) is either a piss poor attempt at a “hot take”, a biased dislike for the player or proof that you really don’t know what you are talking about.

Is Jones overpaid, obviously no one denies that however, his current scoring pace (ppg) leaves him in the top 20 for d-men this season. When you combine that with the fact that he is a big RHD who moves well, plays 25 minutes a game in all situations… not only is he worth $4,750,000 per season but every team would love to have him at that price point.

The Hawks would get a significant haul if they are willing to retain 50% on Jones, the question is do they want to retain $23.75m over the next 5 seasons for Jones to play for someone else.
 
belfour30 said:
With Florida, Hawks could take Ekblad and flip him as a rental.
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Mrfenn92 said:
Doubt Ekblad would waive
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That would make no sense for Florida, the whole point in trading for Jones would be for the Panthers to add/bolster their D core for the playoffs, moving Ekblad in a Jones trade leaves them treading water at best.The only benefit to the Panthers would be beyond this year, the Panthers would have Jones whereas there is no guarantee Ekblad resigns.

If they can acquire Jones without trading Ekblad they have more depth on their backend for a cup defending playoff run and flexibility in offseason negotiations with Ekblad.
 
Keep this in mind:

Chicago is a bad hockey team that won't be unbad anytime soon.

Jones' contract, while grotesque, isn't detrimental to Chicago. They have money. They have oodles of cap space.

There's no reason to expect Chicago to trade him for peanuts.

Outside of a disgruntled player, what's the impetus to trade him? If his behavior becomes a problem there are team/league policies & processes for that.

Bottom line, assess his value as a player. Don't get convinced of a misperceived idea that Chicago has to immediately take a pathetic offer.

We may be discussing trade destinations for him this time next year.
 
ploppsdman said:
Keep this in mind:

Chicago is a bad hockey team that won't be unbad anytime soon.

Jones' contract, while grotesque, isn't detrimental to Chicago. They have money. They have oodles of cap space.

There's no reason to expect Chicago to trade him for peanuts.

Outside of a disgruntled player, what's the impetus to trade him? If his behavior becomes a problem there are team/league policies & processes for that.

Bottom line, assess his value as a player. Don't get convinced of a misperceived idea that Chicago has to immediately take a pathetic offer.

We may be discussing trade destinations for him this time next year.
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A mindset of "we're going to be bad for a long time so we don't care about Jones' deal" is a depressing mindset to have after getting Bedard a year ago.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
A mindset of "we're going to be bad for a long time so we don't care about Jones' deal" is a depressing mindset to have after getting Bedard a year ago.
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Seems like the truth though. They chased Guentzel, but he didn't want to rebuild. They'll try and chase Marner/Rants this offseason but maybe they don't make it to UFA. They'll chase lesser guys like Ehlers too, but they have to actually make it to UFA.

They got Bedard after committing to a full rebuild at the 2022 draft. It sort of is what it is.
 
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TLEH said:
Seems like the truth though. They chased Guentzel, but he didn't want to rebuild. They'll try and chase Marner/Rants this offseason but maybe they don't make it to UFA. They'll chase lesser guys like Ehlers too, but they have to actually make it to UFA.

They got Bedard after committing to a full rebuild at the 2022 draft. It sort of is what it is.
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Yeah I looked at both the Hawks and their AHL team after that and it seems more true than not. The IceHogs have a ton of young highly drafted talent but they're just completely horrible. There is zero way that an AHL team with this many 1st-3rd rounders should be as bad as it is.

The organization definitely seems pretty rotten as an outsider looking in. How they've handled Korchinski is especially perplexing, the dude is a -70 in 128 professional games so far.
 
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Kevin Musto said:
OPTION 5

To Chicago:
:hawks
-Chris Kreider
-Will Cuylle

To NYR:
:rangers
-Seth Jones
-Ryan Donato
-Lukas Reichel
-2025 Toronto 1st round pick
-2025 Dallas 2nd round pick
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Seems like an odd trade for Hawks to just toss a bunch of assets, but pass for NYR. We need Cuylle a lot more than we need each individual piece coming back. Sure, when thrown together it looks like a big package but Jones will get eaten up in the media here and nothing is bringing more than what we need from Cuylle right now. I'd rather trade Kreider separately and bring back and 2nd/prospect, or whatever we get.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Yeah I looked at both the Hawks and their AHL team after that and it seems more true than not. The IceHogs have a ton of young highly drafted talent but they're just completely horrible. There is zero way that an AHL team with this many 1st-3rd rounders should be as bad as it is.

The organization definitely seems pretty rotten as an outsider looking in. How they've handled Korchinski is especially perplexing, the dude is a -70 in 128 professional games so far.
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I certainly am not the guy to defend Korchinski. There's others on the Hawks board for that. I will say that highly drafted really just applies to their D. Which is always a challenge to be young and on defense. Nazar was really good in the AHL and he was the only highly drafted forward. Ludwinski I guess but he's nothing.

Sammy Sav might be an NHL agitator type. Colton Dach might eventually find a role. But its pretty bleak, organizationally at forward. Hoping 2 of Lardis, Greene, Moore can be something at the NHL level pretty soon. Then Boisvert, Vanacker, Kantserov in two years. Maybe Aidan Thompson can parlay his great NCAA year to something but he's old.

They really need to land Misa this year.
 
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LT said:
Stankoven, Bourque, and Bichsel are not moving.
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Dallas deal is hard because Hemming isn't that interesting and there isn't a whole lot else that would actually move. I'll bet Jones doesn't move until the summer, if at all.

2026 1 + non-Hemming is like basically nothing.
 
If that's the price needed to move Jones, Dallas isn't interested. And I suspect that means Jones remains in Chicago for a while.
 
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