Holy cow! For a rental? Good luck with that.
Seravalli: Seravalli- Canucks had multiple major offers for JT Miller in January- "Very good chance it happens this summer instead"
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Tufted Titmouse
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I guess it's just not just us thinking the asking price is too high after all.
RangerBoy
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Miller has one more season remaining on his contract. The Vancouver people say the Canucks can retain money in the trade which will only increase the price. Miller is owed a huge contract extension in 2023. What happens after next season? How many teams have the cap space to fit in Miller at $8.5M-$9M? The cap will still be flat for 23-24 at $83.5M. The cap could be flat for 24-25. Every team has current commitments and they have their own players to extend.
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That's fair, just gauging interest. FWIW, I was not suggesting for a second that Miller be a rental for an all-in year at that price. More like viewing Carolina as a team that checks the boxes of "can contend right now" + "has the long-term cap flexibility to absorb a Miller extension (something like 8.5 x 5 or 8x6?) without creating too much cap trouble now or in the future". The deal I suggested would be with an extension in place, and it would also probably be selling a bit low on Necas. It would also create an opportunity to add to the team for next year while Miller's cap hit is lower, which is valuable in and of itself.
Nothing Toronto fans will give up has is of interest. At best, building a deal around mid tier prospects and a late first are not what we are looking to do. More realistically, being (repeatedly) told that an inferior player we don't want and doesn't fit any criteria actual team representatives have outlined is an overpayment kind of kills any desire to deal with a fan base.
11 spots up from your The Chaos Giraffe did exactly what you wanted, to zero fanfare. People don't want to work out a fair trade, or to address what we have been crystal clear about needing, they want to imagine they can get a star player for pocket change and candy wrappers, or a toy they no longer play with.
High draft picks, top four RHD prospects, a defensive RHD to play with OEL, cap space or blue chip skater prospects are what we need. The configuration of what ever package would be looking for would slide based on who is involved and which team we are dealing with, probably involving three of these pieces. We don't want a one for one for another, inferior forward, or a goalie, or a package of lesser assets. We don't have room for cap space to return for an asset that we don't need.
Tufted Titmouse
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The entire Nylander discussion started because a Vancouver fan called his inclusion "borderline insulting".
If we step away from the "Leaf fans bad" BS, we see that there has been no fanbase willing to give up anything close to what Vancouver fans expect (most offers being met with "I like that return but for Garland"). One Vancouver fan was brave enough to post a potential offer they would be happy with, and when I posted it to the Bruins forum, they wholeheartedly said no. Bruins fans had the same qualms as other fanbases: We don't think he's worth what he will ask for, so it would be a rental.
I don't know, maybe it's not just 1 fanbase, although I know it's easy to farm likes by calling us names. Maybe the reality is most teams can't afford the price you want if it's a rental.
If it's not a rental, then all of a sudden the price you ask for is something I could see a GM being willing to pay. The problem is that I can't think of a team that is in a position to sign the upcoming contract Miller wants. Where is the team that:
a) has cap room and a will to sign a 30 year old to a long term contract
b) is competing and is a place Miller will sign
c) will be willing to part with a high draft pick + roster players/blue chippers to bring Miller in.
He only has 1 year of history at 99 points, and it was a year where half the league hit career highs. The same reasons Vancouver is weary of signing him are also considerations for other teams. There aren't many teams who have a top priority of bringing in a winger with a huge potential cap hit.
And if he's being dealt as a rental, well, the package just won't be there. Maybe 2 firsts from a good team, or two of the assets you mentioned.
It's not BS, clearly. Since joining the Canucks, Miller has been a point per game player, easily and routinely out producing Nylander, (and despite Nylander outproducing Miller by a whopping 8 points his two prior best years while Miller was stuck in a 3C role, still producing like crazy /60)while excelling over Nylander in every other tangible and traceable individual stat...yeah, the first time was an inquiry, and having someone "offering" Nylander for Miller in every tangentially related thread is insulting at this stage.
Great, so if no one will offer what we are expecting (as though that line of reasoning is accurate) I guess we're taking your earlier advice and having to sign him. Oh well, Good luck trading Tavares for McDavid and Muzzin for josi one for one.
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I think you are confusing me with someone who supports their management's decisions lol. However, unlike your post's suggestion, I know I have no control over it, it's just life as a fan.
I guess we will see how it all plays out. I am certianly excited to see if they get the package that you believe they will. I had no idea that Miller was worth a slightly lower version of the return Eric Lindros at age 18 got. I would say maybe Benning would make that trade, so I guess hope like hell he's brought in to GM some other poor team.
I have you confused with someone that can't grasp the gap in value of Nylander and Miller, and why it is absolutely panned by Canucks fans. It has nothing to do with some anti-Leaf conspiracy you brought up either.
Be careful what you wish for, Dubas could be replaced by Benning as easily as any other team.
Well that's 2/3 of the wishlist. Chytl though....4 seasons of either 22 or 23 points? That doesn't scream value to me. Or progression really. I'm not losing sleep thinking Ruthie and Allvin turned that down though.
Lots of teams offering fair value but with the quantity of suitors the team that wins will be the team that offers more than what Miller is worth to almost every other team.
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which was rejected by the Canucks as they expect to be able to get at least this in the off-season
Hoglander
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According to the OP, teams are willing to make separate deals (with other teams) to clear cap space, in order to be able to sign Miller to an extension. No idea which teams they are, but it suggests that teams who don't currently have the cap space, may actually be in play.
I don't think we'll get the moon, but a solid package should be all but guaranteed, same with an extension being worked out before any trade... it would be a damned expensive rental, and I don't see that happening
I don't think we'll get the moon, but a solid package should be all but guaranteed, same with an extension being worked out before any trade... it would be a damned expensive rental, and I don't see that happening
Diamonddog01
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The report is saying teams will move cap space and make room to be able to get a chance to have a shot at Miller short term or long term.
Good starting point for offers on what the Canucks feel isnt good enough.
TDL offer of Lundqvist 1st and Chytil was rejected.
Canucks were smart to wait till this off-season to move Miller.
It opens it up to waaay more teams creating a bidding war rather than just playoff teams making offers. Most those playoff teams have diminished prospects and picks as well as a result of going for it in years previous.
I will 100% bet on it that the Canucks get a way better return than 1st Lundqvist and Chytil
Lol. Yup, the term used to describe a player with one year of team control left is the problem with your ask.
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Really depends on the quality of the assets you are looking to acquire. No one is trading you a younger and cost controlled version of JT Miller. Late 1st, tweener roster player, and good prospect. If you're expecting a recent top 5 pick, a 60ish point player under 25, or potential top pairing d-man, you will be disappointed.
What would the value be for NJD's 2nd oa pick. Lets say they are seriously looking at trading it and want a skilled sandpaper guy like Miller to lead the young skilled core.
Miller for 2nd OA pick as the basis.
Who has to add and what are those additions.
Miller for 2nd OA pick as the basis.
Who has to add and what are those additions.
