Post-Game Talk: Sens @ Rangers: The misadventures of the Hobbit and the Lorax

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Win the rest all is good

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

This will be the worst 2 days off of the season

It's always rough after a loss...im just upset that this team can't wake up for home games

 

[Hire Sather]

I don't care that fans want to see home playoff games. I have season tickets, I'd prefer we get what gives us the best chance to win and judging from their record and the statements made by numerous players over the course of the year, I'll take away games over home ones this season.

Also, you realize how many things have to go wrong for the Rangers not to make it? The odds of us making teh playoffs are like 99.97 or something crazy

Well, if we play the Flyers we are 2-0 against them at MSG this year and 0-2 at Philly. Philly have lost their last 8 at MSG, and Philly has played unreal at home after a weak start.

I really wish people would stop flaunting that percentage ****. Like I said, I'm sure the Mets had a 100 percent playoff chance in late 2007, did it matter? No.

Same thing with the Rangers/Devils in 06. What was their stupid percentage before they went on their run? It doesn't matter.

 

[aufheben]

Was out last night, appears the sky is falling?

Can someone rational give me a recap of the game? I missed all of it.

 

[AHB*]

Well, if we play the Flyers we are 2-0 against them at MSG this year and 0-2 at Philly. Philly have lost their last 8 at MSG, and Philly has played unreal at home after a weak start.

I really wish people would stop flaunting that percentage ****. Like I said, I'm sure the Mets had a 100 percent playoff chance in late 2007, did it matter? No.

Same thing with the Rangers/Devils in 06. What was their stupid percentage before they went on their run? It doesn't matter.

I really wish that people would stop whining and acting like the world is over after a hard fought loss.

I really wish people would stop blaming Nash after he played a fantastic game and has been arguably our best forward down the stretch.

I really wish people would stop blaming Hank when he was left out to dry on shots from 6 feet out in front of him.

Can't always get what we want.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Well, if we play the Flyers we are 2-0 against them at MSG this year and 0-2 at Philly. Philly have lost their last 8 at MSG, and Philly has played unreal at home after a weak start.

I really wish people would stop flaunting that percentage ****. Like I said, I'm sure the Mets had a 100 percent playoff chance in late 2007, did it matter? No.

Same thing with the Rangers/Devils in 06. What was their stupid percentage before they went on their run? It doesn't matter.

Flyers are due to win at MSG and that the Rangers are due to win in Philly. This holds especially true for the first half of that statement.

Personally, I think the Flyers are one of the more overrated teams in the league and it doesn't matter where they play the series because I'm confident that the Rangers would beat them.

Also, What the Mets did in 2007 and the Rangers did in 2006 are not at all relevant to this Ranger team. The Mets play a completely different sport so its laughable to even bring them into this conversation.

Stop whining.

 

[Hire Sather]

Flyers are due to win at MSG and that the Rangers are due to win in Philly. This holds especially true for the first half of that statement.

Personally, I think the Flyers are one of the more overrated teams in the league and it doesn't matter where they play the series because I'm confident that the Rangers would beat them.

Also, What the Mets did in 2007 and the Rangers did in 2006 are not at all relevant to this Ranger team. The Mets play a completely different sport so its laughable to even bring them into this conversation.

Stop whining.

Both are pretty irrelevant when it comes to this team, but so are those percentages that make everyone feel better because teams can fall apart, as shown by very recent history.

 

[Fataldogg]

I know that I came off as a hater last night, it just breaks my heart. I feel like the father of a son that's throwing away his potential. This is the type of team I've wanted my entire life now I get it and they can't score. Almost 20 percent of the games they have 40+ shots, I can't name more than 3 that they won of those. It's gut wrenching. They didn't even play poorly the last 2 games without McD. But small breakdowns and lack of scoring. My stream broke off yesterday and it came back on right as Joe was showing Brassard's empty net miss, I wish it came on after that. I'm emotionally exhausted this season.

Looking at stats like that is misleading, SOMETIMES.

Personally, I don't care about the number of shots we throw at the net. At the end of the day, it's all about quality chances. And in a lot of the games you're referring to, we lobbed 40+ shots on net without generating true Grade A chances. That's not the case in all of those game, but a good majority of them.

Shots on goal isn't always indicative of whom outplayed who or who generated the better of the play.

I'd rather register 20-25 shots with 10 legitimate scoring chances, than 40+ shots with only a handful of a high quality scoring chances.

Again, not saying it's like that EVERY game, but it is like that for us a good majority of them.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I was happy about how everyone went after Neil... the guy got a face full by zuccs line and staal .... do wish we could of got the W tho

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It's funny, I missed most of the Ottawa game but from the replay it looked like we played a better game last night than the game we played with McDonagh and I think Kreider was still there. We weren't bad the last 2 games, but I have to think we'd at least be in the playoffs with McDonagh right now. I can't believe we can miss on the 2 spot because of that POS Burrows.

 

[Hire Sather]

Looking at stats like that is misleading, SOMETIMES.

Personally, I don't care about the number of shots we throw at the net. At the end of the day, it's all about quality chances. And in a lot of the games you're referring to, we lobbed 40+ shots on net without generating true Grade A chances. That's not the case in all of those game, but a good majority of them.

Shots on goal isn't always indicative of whom outplayed who or who generated the better of the play.

I'd rather register 20-25 shots with 10 legitimate scoring chances, than 40+ shots with only a handful of a high quality scoring chances.

Again, not saying it's like that EVERY game, but it is like that for us a good majority of them.

It honestly seems like every time we have 40 + shots and lose, it is exactly how you described. I never felt like we were gunna tie that Sharks game (even though we did and it wasn't allowed, but whatever) bunch of low quality chances that game.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Both are pretty irrelevant when it comes to this team, but so are those percentages that make everyone feel better because teams can fall apart, as shown by very recent history.

This is the funniest and most illogical fallacy I ever read. Probability it just that probability, it's not certainty. It's like saying that Mega Millions odds are irrelevant because people win the lottery. Probability, unless it's 100% just says that it's unlikely to happen, because it happens sometimes doesn't mean that probability is useless.

 

[Hire Sather]

This is the funniest and most illogical fallacy I ever read. Probability it just that probability, it's not certainty. It's like saying that Mega Millions odds are irrelevant because people win the lottery. Probability, unless it's 100% just says that it's unlikely to happen, because it happens sometimes doesn't mean that probability is useless.

The point is it doesn't make me feel any better.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Looking at stats like that is misleading, SOMETIMES.

Personally, I don't care about the number of shots we throw at the net. At the end of the day, it's all about quality chances. And in a lot of the games you're referring to, we lobbed 40+ shots on net without generating true Grade A chances. That's not the case in all of those game, but a good majority of them.

Shots on goal isn't always indicative of whom outplayed who or who generated the better of the play.

I'd rather register 20-25 shots with 10 legitimate scoring chances, than 40+ shots with only a handful of a high quality scoring chances.

Again, not saying it's like that EVERY game, but it is like that for us a good majority of them.

I call the team out whenever they get a lot of shots but no chances. In our loss to the Kings we had like 35 shots on net that my great grandma could stop. Even though I thought we outplayed the Blues in the 2nd game and had about 35 shots on net, most shots weren't tough. Same thing in a Rangers-Stars game 2 years ago. We've had plenty of good chances in most of those games, they just seem like there were not many great chances because a lot of them weren't. You're not going to get many games on this level where you have 40 shots with most of them being great chances. In the Sharks game we had a bunch of point shots, but that's practically every game where you have possession and have 40 shots on goal. That's not specific to us. They also had some grade A chances that we didn't convert. The team can create these chances but not finish.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The point is it doesn't make me feel any better.

Well that's your problem, not the problem of probability.

 

[AHB*]

It's funny, I missed most of the Ottawa game but from the replay it looked like we played a better game last night than the game we played with McDonagh and I think Kreider was still there. We weren't bad the last 2 games, but I have to think we'd at least be in the playoffs with McDonagh right now. I can't believe we can miss on the 2 spot because of that POS Burrows.

The game we played yesterday was significantly better then the game in which we beat OTT 7-4.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The game we played yesterday was significantly better then the game in which we beat OTT 7-4.

That's what I saw. Lehner didn't look like he was US Air Force bombers in this one. In fact dare I say he stole one? It was a much better defensive effort. The 8-4 win like the 4-3 loss to Calgary was them being all "**** it, we don't need to play defense".

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I asked this before, but if there was an answer it got buried.

Is CBC always such an insufferable homer network for the Canadian team? It smells of complete and utter nationalism. This isn't team Canada in the Olympics and isn't the Senators feed. Be professional. All you heard was about the mediocre Senators. They complained about a goalie interferences on our first goal for a half hour, even after they scored the 3rd goal. When the 3rd goal came, it obviously wasn't covered according to them. Completely nationalistic and unprofessional.

 

[Wolfy*]

Any1 got a gif or video of Zuccs rocket hit?

He was a beast last night. First he sent Neil into the boards, then he wrestled down another Sen while Neil attacked him from behind. Then Staal came to help him out, and Zucc continued to wrestle a third guy, this last dance earned him a roughing call.

Saying the Sens laughed at Zucc is ****, he went under their skin and pissed them off, Neil was after him all night.

It was a good little scrum, and our boys finally stood up for each other.

The first video is the game summary, but the physical stuff starts at 1:10. The other one is not the best quality but shows the whole scrum, it's still pretty good because of the close up camera.

Notice Brassard in the second video, even he wants to be a tough guy


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[shoves]

Unfortunately, the Rangers a very poorly constructed team. The Burrows hit did not provoke a response. And let's face it. The Rangers have absolutely no answer for Neil. And this is not stating that a response had to be directly to Neil. Let Karlson or Spezza feel it. But the Rangers, much like AV's former Van team, do not respond well to being physically challenged.

This is not a cry for the entire team to drop gloves, but if other teams know that there is ZERO in the way of a response, it does embolden them.

Stall should not have been the one jumping in. Someone else should have done it. Just like someone should have taken umbrage with Smith squaring off with Zucc. Or with the Burrows hit. Sometimes, skill is not the answer to everything.

Im agree with you. Im not advocating a team full of goons who fight 10 times a match, thats not my point neither. But if we dont show the opponents what they can do and what they cant, its a big downside with our game.

Doesnt matter how much skill you got if you get hurt or get yourself into the penalty box because none of your teammates responds for you and you have to do it yourself. (yeah really long sentence, sorryyyy)

I do feel that this lack of response is ordered by AV, but thats another discussion

Im not saying this is disastrous, but its a problem. Last night wasnt too bad of a game from us, but the problem im adressing in this post contributed to the loss.

 

[Wolfy*]

Oh btw, I have to admit...Staal got OWNED by Neil

So, next season, no more discussion...we definitely need an enforcer in the lineup.

McIlrath looks like a perfect choice, just hope he can play some hockey too.

 

[haveandare]

lmao Kreider?

non factor.

**** Neil. good game though

A rookie who plays by far the shallowest position in this lineup, who is close to 20 goals and 40 points, is a non-factor?

His being out (and AV's borderline insane reluctance to call up any number of AHL scorers) leads to Boyle/Moore/Carcillo on a scoring line, which is an absolute waste. Put Richards and one of those guys together, and you've got an entire line that is useless.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Oh btw, I have to admit...Staal got OWNED by Neil

So, next season, no more discussion...we definitely need an enforcer in the lineup.

McIlrath looks like a perfect choice, just hope he can play some hockey too.

If the enforcer can play fine, if not, no. I don't want a boxer on the team.

 

[haveandare]

Oh btw, I have to admit...Staal got OWNED by Neil

So, next season, no more discussion...we definitely need an enforcer in the lineup.

McIlrath looks like a perfect choice, just hope he can play some hockey too.

I'd still discuss it. I really don't think that having an enforcer means anything. In many cases, it's a waste of a roster spot and contract and little else.

Carcillo and/or Dorsett could have gone out and tried to start some trouble. The team wanted to get the 1 point necessary to clinch more than they wanted to fight. I don't really blame them.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I honestly loathe this ****ing place after a loss. I'm disgusted, to be honest.

I've read some of the most outrageous and ignorant statements on this thread.

Last I checked we are on the high road to the playoffs while the Senators are all but written off. But we're the team that is "terribly constructed".

I don't understand how with all the evidence proving that "tougher" teams don't get bullied around (is invalid), that they're not more successful than we are now, how people can still sit here and complain about our toughness.

The name of the game is scoring goals, not sending people to the morgue. The belief that tougher teams protect their star players better than other teams is invalid. It's a myth. Chicago just lost 2 of their star players. This board has a weird affinity with the Bruins, and yet I feel like everyone who wants us to be like them doesn't watch them consistently. Their stars get run more often than ours... And they're "the bullies" of the league with the arm strength and grit to "protect" their stars.

I'm tired of the ******** I read on this board after losses. There seems to be a constant need to complain by many on this board, regardless of the team's success.