Post-Game Talk: Sens @ Rangers: The misadventures of the Hobbit and the Lorax

[TeamStewie]

I honestly loathe this ****ing place after a loss. I'm disgusted, to be honest.

I've read some of the most outrageous and ignorant statements on this thread.

Last I checked we are on the high road to the playoffs while the Senators are all but written off. But we're the team that is "terribly constructed".

I don't understand how with all the evidence proving that "tougher" teams don't get bullied around (is invalid), that they're not more successful than we are now, how people can still sit here and complain about our toughness.

The name of the game is scoring goals, not sending people to the morgue. The belief that tougher teams protect their star players better than other teams is invalid. It's a myth. Chicago just lost 2 of their star players. This board has a weird affinity with the Bruins, and yet I feel like everyone who wants us to be like them doesn't watch them consistently. Their stars get run more often than ours... And they're "the bullies" of the league with the arm strength and grit to "protect" their stars.

I'm tired of the ******** I read on this board after losses. There seems to be a constant need to complain by many on this board, regardless of the team's success.

Thank you. The Bruins are probably the toughest team in the league but somehow Loui Eriksson still keeps getting concussed.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I honestly loathe this ****ing place after a loss. I'm disgusted, to be honest.

I've read some of the most outrageous and ignorant statements on this thread.

Last I checked we are on the high road to the playoffs while the Senators are all but written off. But we're the team that is "terribly constructed".

I don't understand how with all the evidence proving that "tougher" teams don't get bullied around (is invalid), that they're not more successful than we are now, how people can still sit here and complain about our toughness.

The name of the game is scoring goals, not sending people to the morgue. The belief that tougher teams protect their star players better than other teams is invalid. It's a myth. Chicago just lost 2 of their star players. This board has a weird affinity with the Bruins, and yet I feel like everyone who wants us to be like them doesn't watch them consistently. Their stars get run more often than ours... And they're "the bullies" of the league with the arm strength and grit to "protect" their stars.

I'm tired of the ******** I read on this board after losses. There seems to be a constant need to complain by many on this board, regardless of the team's success.

The Bruins are great because of Rask and a very talented roster, not toughness. Yet people carry on about the Bruins. What's funny is that the Bruins just lost to the Hawks who have been more successful than the Bruins, but aren't tough. Yet the #toffness crowd has been awfully silent about them, selective outrage. This big tough team was a collapse by one of the worst playoff teams in recent memory from being irrelevant since 2011.

This team gets 40 shots, a lot of them in point blank range and we're terribly constructed because we don't have a goon and not being we had 1 finisher on the team and another one that might as well have never left Tampa. I sometimes wonder if most Rangers fans wouldn't prefer an 0-82 team wins every fight. We lost this game (AGAIN) because we lack finishers, not because we lack toughness. But this board has a bunch of manly men that are sure useless goons are the reason we lose these games.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Thank you. The Bruins are probably the toughest team in the league but somehow Loui Eriksson still keeps getting concussed.

He'd get concussed twice as much if they weren't so tough.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

A team that's constructed around goons is the poorly constructed team. Worry about things that actually matter people.

 

[aufheben]

Thanks for the recap guys.

 

[Wolfy*]

No matter what you say, you just have to face it, we are getting whipped around the ice by most teams. Now how much fun is that.

A guy like Neil in the lineup would help a lot, he's actually on their third line.

But enforcers who are good hockey players are not easy to find.

 

[shoves]

I honestly loathe this ****ing place after a loss. I'm disgusted, to be honest.

I've read some of the most outrageous and ignorant statements on this thread.

Last I checked we are on the high road to the playoffs while the Senators are all but written off. But we're the team that is "terribly constructed".

I don't understand how with all the evidence proving that "tougher" teams don't get bullied around (is invalid), that they're not more successful than we are now, how people can still sit here and complain about our toughness.

The name of the game is scoring goals, not sending people to the morgue. The belief that tougher teams protect their star players better than other teams is invalid. It's a myth. Chicago just lost 2 of their star players. This board has a weird affinity with the Bruins, and yet I feel like everyone who wants us to be like them doesn't watch them consistently. Their stars get run more often than ours... And they're "the bullies" of the league with the arm strength and grit to "protect" their stars.

I'm tired of the ******** I read on this board after losses. There seems to be a constant need to complain by many on this board, regardless of the team's success.

I think you're overreacting a bit mate. You got a point, but to me its not that bad.

I find myself happy with our season, we have been good and atm we are 2nd in the division. But all teams have flaws, and people here discussing our flaws doesnt mean we're only here to complain and cry. We just point out the flaws and discuss them.

Pretending we dont have certain things we can improve, now thats the real ignorent posts IMO

 

[shoves]

Thanks for the recap guys.

A kinda weird game. We played pretty good, got a good share of chances and played pretty well offensively. Managed some longs streches in offensive zone. Let in some easy goals IMO, but not too bad on D. Got bullied some from Neil. Overall an OK game.

 

[ShootThePuckBarry]

I think giving a player like Scott or "X" goons name, taking up a roster space just in case a player gets run is a bad idea, especially in the playoffs where that one penalty could be the difference in the game. Besides being slow as molasses, a player like him adds nothing of value and cannot even chip in a few.

 

[aufheben]

Thank you. Would have liked to score more than 2 goals against the worst defense in the conference, but oh well. Next two are against Carolina and Buffalo, so...

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I think you're overreacting a bit mate. You got a point, but to me its not that bad.

I find myself happy with our season, we have been good and atm we are 2nd in the division. But all teams have flaws, and people here discussing our flaws doesnt mean we're only here to complain and cry. We just point out the flaws and discuss them.

Pretending we dont have certain things we can improve, now thats the real ignorent posts IMO

I'm the one over reacting? I skimmed over the pages and have found far worse.

I'm not arguing we don't have flaws, just that the point that those over reacting is flawed. At no point do I talk about the team's strengths and weaknesses. My post is a response to those who are *****ing and whining about things they don't understand.

 

[tbonenc*]

Nash has played decent hockey recently. I even think he has been giving a better effort.

I do think for large portions this season he has been "lazy" but I do not think he has been that way recently.

I think people get on him for his inconsistent efforts this withn, that even when he does play hard and does not produce, he gets called out on it.

Which is fair, to some degree, because as a top paid forward in the league production has to be at the top of your game. At the same time, don't call him a lazy player if he is actually trying and just could not find a way to finish.

I have no problem with his effort or play recently. I'm just hoping he puts a few more pucks in the net. This playoff will be crunch time for him. If he has another playoffs with one goal in ten games... he is going to be really tarnishing his NHL career as the opposite of a "big game" player.

Interesting, since I make the same argument regarding Hank, but you dismiss it. I know Hank is a favorite, but let's not let it cloud our judgement.

 

[eco's bones]

Toughness is an element the Rangers lack--just like the Maple Leafs or the Flyers lack good defensive defensemen. Most all teams lack something. These 'lacks' can contribute to losses or even a losing atmosphere. The Rangers lack of toughness hasn't been enough to make them a non-playoff team. The Rangers actually have had a very good second half of the season. I think that more than less the Rangers defense--particularly the goalies and defensemen--got their act together after a pretty horrible start and now have pretty much become a very solid 6 man defense unit with excellent goaltending. Most teams don't have nearly as strong a defensive foundation as the Rangers do. It's nice to have three lines that can contribute offense with some regularity. No big goal scorers on the Rangers this year but the goal scoring has been spread out to pretty much every player on our top 3 lines. The 4th line has gotten better as the year has progressed to the point where they can't be taken for granted. There is depth to the Rangers lineup this year that wasn't there last year.

That's the good part.

There are chinks in the armor. Toughness is one. Size on the wings is another. The pwp is hit and miss. Still no legit pwp quarterback.

Referees tend to let more go come the playoffs. Series turn into more grind it out affairs. Just having talent and a great offense is not enough. A crap defense and you're not going to last. Winning puck battles where size comes in can be very important. Rangers have been knocked out the last two years in large part because they were on the wrong end of battles for possession and territory. There probably aren't going to be any fights in the playoffs but that doesn't mean physical play is not going to be important. Milan Lucic set up in front of the Rangers net last year and no one could move him away and that absolutely was a factor in the series--not to mention his hit on Stralman that knocked Anton out of the series. If the Rangers meet Boston again I'm pretty sure it's going to be more of the same.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

No matter what you say, you just have to face it, we are getting whipped around the ice by most teams. Now how much fun is that.

A guy like Neil in the lineup would help a lot, he's actually on their third line.

But enforcers who are good hockey players are not easy to find.

We're outshooting every team almost. We have 40+ shots in 20% of the games. We outplay most teams. You know what's no fun? Not scoring. We don't have scorers. Actually that's probably not even the biggest problem. We have the reigning Art Ross winner that can't score. Nash has been inconsistent. Stepan has been great lately but his goal scoring has been off this season. But if we had more finishers that actually played to their capabilities, the 2 spot would have been locked up a while back. We'd have the 3rd best record in the east easily.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I feel like the Rangers can literally assault everyone on the other team next game and people would complain about a lack of toughness. Like a bunch of parrots. It's especially annoying in a game like this when our lack of finish was easily seen again and people say we're poorly constructed because we lack goons.

 

[Wolfy*]

our lack of finish was easily seen again

We agree there. Derick Brassard...couldn't score on the open net, we've seen it before. And he earns 4M a year?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

We agree there. Derick Brassard...couldn't score on the open net, we've seen it before. And he earns 4M a year?

He's still one of our better players, but that was painful and I wish I could unsee that.

 

[Ola]

Is there any video of the incident late in the game?

 

[One Winged Angel]

Nash at times looked like he could dominate, but to say he was our best player???

I don't know what some of you guys are watching.

The guy still takes shifts off. I understand not every shift he's going to go around playing like Lucic. He's just not that kind of player. But he looks flat out uninterested at times and he doesn't show up come playoff time.

 

[haveandare]

The Bruins are great because of Rask and a very talented roster, not toughness. Yet people carry on about the Bruins. What's funny is that the Bruins just lost to the Hawks who have been more successful than the Bruins, but aren't tough. Yet the #toffness crowd has been awfully silent about them, selective outrage. This big tough team was a collapse by one of the worst playoff teams in recent memory from being irrelevant since 2011.

This team gets 40 shots, a lot of them in point blank range and we're terribly constructed because we don't have a goon and not being we had 1 finisher on the team and another one that might as well have never left Tampa. I sometimes wonder if most Rangers fans wouldn't prefer an 0-82 team wins every fight. This PMSing about a relatively insignificant part of the game is ridiculous. We lost this game (AGAIN) because we lack finishers, not because we lack toughness. But this board has a bunch of manly men that are sure useless goons are the reason we lose these games.

I think the ideal for many on HFNYR is an 0 - 82 team with tough guys and a lot of young players/picks.

Pretty much the Oilers, plus some tough guys.

 

[Ola]

We agree there. Derick Brassard...couldn't score on the open net, we've seen it before. And he earns 4M a year?

Yeah, but he is creating chances and from my point of view that is all that matters going forward.

It was like this with Zucc, he created sooo many chances but got so little on the board from it (to some extent, that is still the case). He was sooo close of never coming back to the NHL, and all the while you kept wondering what in a parallel universe would happen if he just got hot for a stint and things went his way. Then it did, and he is looking awsome.

Brass is playing well well and is creating chances, he skates real well with the puck, he moves the puck well, he shoots the puck well. It could come for him sooner rather than later. If not, he is still valuble...

 

[haveandare]

I think Brass is about as good a scoring center for a third line as you can get. Whether or not he wants a raise that puts him above that is up in the air, but for his current price, he provides valuable depth scoring. He blew a big opportunity last night, but he's cashed in plenty of times.

 

[Wolfy*]

Is there any video of the incident late in the game?

One page back, try post 220. It helps reading the thread

 

[JohnC]

After being on his board for over a year now I'm convinced a majority of the posters here don't watch a single other hockey game outside of Ranger games

 

[Inferno]

brassards been a great player for us down the stretch.

it happens.