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They artificially lower the speed limits on the streets where they put those camera's knowing that people will likely travel faster because it feels normal to do so. This is such a money grab/ hidden tax on people. All in the name of making streets safer yet there is no evidence that there was ever a problem that needed solving.How about them speeding ticket cameras. I heard people are getting tickets for going 5kph over.... wowee
Really wish they would put one in my street.They artificially lower the speed limits on the streets where they put those camera's knowing that people will likely travel faster because it feels normal to do so. This is such a money grab/ hidden tax on people. All in the name of making streets safer yet there is no evidence that there was ever a problem that needed solving.
Who loses control going 60-70 kmh? Was your street always 30kmh because that seems ridiculously slow for a street? People are just not getting hit by cars as often as these councilors fear they might if they don't reduce speed limits across the country. This is designed to give the impression that people need more protection and justify stupid measures to take more money from people. Distracted driver is far worse than someone going 10 km's over the speed limit. Would you be in favour of cars automatically giving you a ticket if you speed through a GPS application?Really wish they would put one in my street.
The speed limit is 30 kph, but I regularly see people zipping by at 60 or 70. My neighbours have two young daughters and every time I see them walking to the park it stresses me a little bit knowing that one of these jackasses might lose control and veer on to the sidewalk (which has happened twice in the last few years).
So, if it's because they are peeling like crazy, odds are yours are from a defective batch, and you can get them replaced free of charge. the fine for driving with a damaged plate is $100, so do with this information what you will.thank god my license plates are so poorly made they are unreadable
Speed limits on residential city roads have been 30-40 km/h for a while, though most are still 40, 30 isn't all that uncommon. It just depends on the road. If you're going 70 down some of the roads in my area losing control would be a very real possibility, as they are pretty windy, particularly if you're coming up to oncoming traffic around a bend with cars parked on the side of the road or if a kid steps out into the the road to grab an errant ball.Who loses control going 60-70 kmh? Was your street always 30kmh because that seems ridiculously slow for a street? People are just not getting hit by cars as often as these councilors fear they might if they don't reduce speed limits across the country. This is designed to give the impression that people need more protection and justify stupid measures to take more money from people. Distracted driver is far worse than someone going 10 km's over the speed limit. Would you be in favour of cars automatically giving you a ticket if you speed through a GPS application?
As for veering on to the sidewalk over the last few years, were you there to witness it?
I'm a minute man, I got places to beI don't get people complaining about a 10km/h difference on residential streets. The difference between going 40 and 30 km/h on the maybe 2-3km you likely travel down the residential roads of a given trip maybe adds a min to your travel. People need to get over themselves and realize the aren't more important than everybody else.
Speed limits on residential city roads have been 30-40 km/h for a while, though most are still 40, 30 isn't all that uncommon. It just depends on the road. If you're going 70 down some of the roads in my area losing control would be a very real possibility, as they are pretty windy, particularly if you're coming up to oncoming traffic around a bend with cars parked on the side of the road or if a kid steps out into the the road to grab an errant ball.
The relationship between speed and serious injuries or fatalities to pedestrians is well documented, 10 km absolutely makes a difference,
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I don't get people complaining about a 10km/h difference on residential streets. The difference between going 40 and 30 km/h on the maybe 2-3km you likely travel down the residential roads of a given trip maybe adds a min to your travel. People need to get over themselves and realize the aren't more important than everybody else.
I drove with damaged plates for 10 plus years. cops don't care. There are too many on the road.So, if it's because they are peeling like crazy, odds are yours are from a defective batch, and you can get them replaced free of charge. the fine for driving with a damaged plate is $100, so do with this information what you will.
It's one of those add on things, if you get pulled over they may tack it on to whatever else they are doing. More likely they'll just tell you to get it addressed, but the more pertinent fact is it may be free to fix,I drove with damaged plates for 10 plus years. cops don't care. There are too many on the road.
Your graphic makes sense but how many people are actually getting hit by those "speeding" cars? I can't recall any 30kmh roads anywhere unless they are on private streets/condo area's. The only accidents with cars and people over the last 5 years have primarily been bike vs car. Those happen in intersections in high density area's like downtown, not driving down your neighborhood streets. When was the last story of a kid getting killed by a car traveling at any speed? The last story I remember was a 13 year old boy killed in Orleans by a 79 year old man who didn't slow down while merging onto highway 174 in 2019.Speed limits on residential city roads have been 30-40 km/h for a while, though most are still 40, 30 isn't all that uncommon. It just depends on the road. If you're going 70 down some of the roads in my area losing control would be a very real possibility, as they are pretty windy, particularly if you're coming up to oncoming traffic around a bend with cars parked on the side of the road or if a kid steps out into the the road to grab an errant ball.
The relationship between speed and serious injuries or fatalities to pedestrians is well documented, 10 km absolutely makes a difference,
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I don't get people complaining about a 10km/h difference on residential streets. The difference between going 40 and 30 km/h on the maybe 2-3km you likely travel down the residential roads of a given trip maybe adds a min to your travel. People need to get over themselves and realize the aren't more important than everybody else.
Or you don't get dinged going 5 kmh over the speed limit. I've been pulled over a handful of times over the last 10 years and it may have been brought up once. Didn't change a thang.It's one of those add on things, if you get pulled over they may tack it on to whatever else they are doing. More likely they'll just tell you to get it addressed, but the more pertinent fact is it may be free to fix,
My street and neighborhood is 40. I regularly go 30 and advise everyone in my family to do the same.Your graphic makes sense but how many people are actually getting hit by those "speeding" cars? I can't recall any 30kmh roads anywhere unless they are on private streets/condo area's. The only accidents with cars and people over the last 5 years have primarily been bike vs car. Those happen in intersections in high density area's like downtown, not driving down your neighborhood streets. When was the last story of a kid getting killed by a car traveling at any speed? The last story I remember was a 13 year old boy killed in Orleans by a 79 year old man who didn't slow down while merging onto highway 174 in 2019.
Or you don't get dinged going 5 kmh over the speed limit. I've been pulled over a handful of times over the last 10 years and it may have been brought up once. Didn't change a thang.
You should see what's happening on the roads in Toronto. Absolute f***ing maniacs who deserve every f***ing ticket they get. Absolute shitshow of speeding and dangerous driving. I'm up for them making every street a speed camera trap and I don't exactly drive slowly myself. They need to do something to curb this absolute insanity.They artificially lower the speed limits on the streets where they put those camera's knowing that people will likely travel faster because it feels normal to do so. This is such a money grab/ hidden tax on people. All in the name of making streets safer yet there is no evidence that there was ever a problem that needed solving.
Your graphic makes sense but how many people are actually getting hit by those "speeding" cars? I can't recall any 30kmh roads anywhere unless they are on private streets/condo area's. The only accidents with cars and people over the last 5 years have primarily been bike vs car. Those happen in intersections in high density area's like downtown, not driving down your neighborhood streets. When was the last story of a kid getting killed by a car traveling at any speed? The last story I remember was a 13 year old boy killed in Orleans by a 79 year old man who didn't slow down while merging onto highway 174 in 2019.
Or you don't get dinged going 5 kmh over the speed limit. I've been pulled over a handful of times over the last 10 years and it may have been brought up once. Didn't change a thang.
Type | Total | Maj Inj | Fatalities |
Pedestrian | 1663 | 162 | 40 |
Bike | 1361 | 82 | 9 |
Speed limit is the point of argument so its kind of important.30km/h roads have to meet specific criteria, it has to be a local road and or meet certain pedestrian presence thresholds, there are guidelines wrt frequency of transit routes (no more than three per hour unless prevailing traffic conditions result in them going <30 anyways), there are guidelines relating to whether a school is present, ect. The initiative only started about 7 years ago.
Wrt accidents, where are you getting your stats from when you say in the last 5 years it's primarily been bikes not pedestrians? The city released a study a few years ago that had the stats on fatal collisions, and from 2017-2020, there were 4 fatal collisions with cyclists, compared to 22 with pedestrians, so that doesn't seem to align with what you're saying.
Actually, the city of Ottawa has data available on all collisions, it goes from Jan 2017 to Dec 2022, I was able to pull some quick stats from it, but it doesn't include data on the speed limit that I could find,
Type Total Maj Inj Fatalities Pedestrian 1663 162 40 Bike 1361 82 9
and it probably was 50 not too long ago. During covid my street went from 50 to 40 based the perception that it makes it safer.My street and neighborhood is 40. I regularly go 30 and advise everyone in my family to do the same.
It's been a 40 since they 80s when the development went up. The perception happens to be backed up by research, whether you think the difference in how much safer it is validates the loss of a minute or two in your commute is up for debate, but whether or not lowering speeds increases safety really isn'tand it probably was 50 not too long ago. During covid my street went from 50 to 40 based the perception that it makes it safer.
Well, when you have stats to share that can be sourced with that information, feel free to post them. I'm just trying to add something empirical to the discussion rather than just taking random posters at their word when they make a claim that doesn't seem to align with reality.Speed limit is the point of argument so its kind of important.
And asides from accidents, you'll lose half your vehicle in some of the potholes around this province. You have to go slow if you don't want a massive repair bill in a lot of areas these days
Both days where someone lost control were light snow days. Because it’s a hill, people typically go too fast without realizing it, apply their brakes, and pretty quickly the road gets polished to become very slick.Who loses control going 60-70 kmh? Was your street always 30kmh because that seems ridiculously slow for a street? People are just not getting hit by cars as often as these councilors fear they might if they don't reduce speed limits across the country. This is designed to give the impression that people need more protection and justify stupid measures to take more money from people. Distracted driver is far worse than someone going 10 km's over the speed limit. Would you be in favour of cars automatically giving you a ticket if you speed through a GPS application?
As for veering on to the sidewalk over the last few years, were you there to witness it?
And if you reduced the speed limit to 10 kmh there would zero fatalities.It's been a 40 since they 80s when the development went up. The perception happens to be backed up by research, whether you think the difference in how much safer it is validates the loss of a minute or two in your commute is up for debate, but whether or not lowering speeds increases safety really isn't
Here's an example of a study looking at the impact of reducing the speed limit of 50 to 40 in Edmonton,
Well, when you have stats to share that can be sourced with that information, feel free to post them. I'm just trying to add something empirical to the discussion rather than just taking random posters at their word when they make a claim that doesn't seem to align with reality.
Light snow days are usually the worst for driving so having a year round speed reduction seems a little excessive.Both days where someone lost control were light snow days. Because it’s a hill, people typically go too fast without realizing it, apply their brakes, and pretty quickly the road gets polished to become very slick.
In both cases I witnessed the aftermath… in one case the car had jumped the sidewalk and was sitting atop a 4 foot high snowbank, in the other case the car plowed across my neighbours front yard and got impaled on a traffic sign. Note that this is not the neighbour with young kids, so there was no one out playing in the lawn. In both cases the driver needed to call a tow truck.
My entire neighborhood is 30 kph limit, not sure if that is common or not.
The point is, obviously, that speed limits and reasonable enforcement measures are very good ideas in some cases.
I am generally becoming more and more annoyed by the bad driving which permeates this city — and I include the distracted drivers as well as the Lewis Hamilton wannabes.
And if you reduced the speed limit to 10 kmh there would zero fatalities.
There are no stats to show for what I am arguing in the neighborhoods in Ottawa, just ones in general. You tried to post info that had no relevance to the argument but backs up your facts that people do get killed on roads. great
What is the threshold most people are willing to accept is the question not how can the city rob people of more money.