OT: Sens Lounge - Golf season is over edition

[Ice-Tray]

Just want to focus 1 more on this because this topic really interests me. 'Plant' -lol. Life is pervasive. It will always 'spring' to life no matter what. From the weeds growing out of the cracks in my driveway to the completely overrun ruins of ancient times.

Life always persists.

Global Warming alertists are now creaming over flowers and grass blooming in some areas of Antarctica. Millenia spent under a sheet of ice (allegedly) and yet the seeds will naturally come to bloom under the Sun. Kinda makes you stop and think.

I think the concern stems from self-preservation. Could be wrong…—-…

 

[Stylizer1]

Water fasting would include beer….

no it wouldn't. The goal is not to consume any calories. Black coffee and tea are fine though.

per Aitkens,, hard alcohol is zero carbs.

so whiskey, Gin, etc.

wrong concerning water fasting.

 

[Golden_Jet]

there are very basic laws of nature.

1) the entropy of the world/universe increases.. so energy is dispersed and not restored.. effectively you burn a piece of wood, get heat and light.. but loose the piece of wood... you cannot gather heat and light and recreate the wood.

to get wood, you need to plant. this robs the earth of more energy than the wood would produce if burnt. while energy cannot be destroyed.. It can be lost in orderly fashion. Light, heat, gases escape our planet. And those that do not, cannot be recaptured and restored to a useful shape.

2) entropy is a direction of time. We move forward in time as we move from orderly to chaos.. from a tree/wood to heat, light, gases, ash, dust.

and so this myth of Green fuel, recycle.. is inaccurate..

the energy cost is higher.. we cannot return to order.

the best way: do not burn that wood.... Do not generate garbage, do not generate non-decomposable material..

Biofuel costs more liters of hydrocarbon fuel to produce, then the end liter of biofuel.

your great grandchildren will figure things out.. it only took humanity 20,000 years or so to understand contagious viruses.

Beech
Self proclaimed tree hugger

People hired as tree planters aren’t burning anymore carbon than if they were out riding a bike instead.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

no it wouldn't. The goal is not to consume any calories. Black coffee and tea are fine though.


wrong concerning water fasting.

I never jumped onboard with the bottled water craze, and did join the crowd that is always carrying around water bottles. Yes I’m a minimum Two cups of tea a day, and a beer in the evening kinda person…. If I am out on the golf course, or playing pick up hockey, I’ll have water or Sports drinks as required. Am also an only two meals a day follower as well… sometimes just one.

People hired as tree planters aren’t burning anymore carbon than if they were out riding a bike instead.

Burning calories?

 

[Beech]

1) Energy does not 'leave' our planet we are an enclosed system. Energy is transfered and recycled, never lost. The Life/Death cycle observed and worshipped by man throughout our history. Burning a piece of wood may keep a man alive through the night. A ravaging forest fire will, over time, bring new life to the area. Follow the patterns in life. New will become old and the old will beget and nourish the new.

2) yes the 'orderly' will turn to 'chaos' but you leave out were 'chaos' will always return to 'order.' Ouroboros- the snake eats its tail. Time is an idea - a memory. Only the present 'exists'.

it does not leave the Universe. It does leave our planet

I do not agree.

I am 60.. I will be dead in 20-25 years.

this planet stopped being mine in 1996 when the first of my Nieces and nephews was born.. it became theirs..

And so as this planet is your children's and your Grandchildren.. be careful about the mess you leave it in.. and the myths you adhere too.

 

[Beech]

People hired as tree planters aren’t burning anymore carbon than if they were out riding a bike instead.

law of science.

Entropy of the Universe is increasing.. It is a law.

the Universe's maximum order was at time zero

And so; as we move from order to disorder.. It makes way more sense to do so....real slow.

Do not burn wood, unless you absolutely need to.. Do not consume energy unless you absolutely need to. And so on.

Where it not for our bodies needing motion to stay healthy, the energy we consume cycling is in excess of the energy out of cycling.. But we need to be in motion to stay healthy.. and we need to move to seek food, water and shelter..

so we consume energy because we have no choice.. we cannot regain it..

every plastics bag is nothing more than: a quicker move towards disorder.. every 4.5 L pick-up truck, towing a 25 foot boat and trailer is a real quick move towards disorder... if that truck runs on bio-fuel.. you are moving even quicker.

a person on a bike, hooked up to a generator.. needs more food, sweats more, breaths heavier and consumes more energy than the electricity he will generate..

Second law of thermodynamics: ENTROPY.

Green fuel is: Cold fusion... MYTH

 

[Golden_Jet]

law of science.

Entropy of the Universe is increasing.. It is a law.

the Universe's maximum order was at time zero

And so; as we move from order to disorder.. It makes way more sense to do so....real slow.

Do not burn wood, unless you absolutely need to.. Do not consume energy unless you absolutely need to. And so on.

Where it not for our bodies needing motion to stay healthy, the energy we consume cycling is in excess of the energy out of cycling.. But we need to be in motion to stay healthy.. and we need to move to seek food, water and shelter..

so we consume energy because we have no choice.. we cannot regain it..

every plastics bag is nothing more than: a quicker move towards disorder.. every 4.5 L pick-up truck, towing a 25 foot boat and trailer is a real quick move towards disorder... if that truck runs on bio-fuel.. you are moving even quicker.

a person on a bike, hooked up to a generator.. needs more food, sweats more, breaths heavier and consumes more energy than the electricity he will generate..

Second law of thermodynamics: ENTROPY.

Green fuel is: Cold fusion... MYTH

That’s nice and all, but has nothing to do with tree planters.

 

[Flamingo]

law of science.

Entropy of the Universe is increasing.. It is a law.

the Universe's maximum order was at time zero

And so; as we move from order to disorder.. It makes way more sense to do so....real slow.

Do not burn wood, unless you absolutely need to.. Do not consume energy unless you absolutely need to. And so on.

Where it not for our bodies needing motion to stay healthy, the energy we consume cycling is in excess of the energy out of cycling.. But we need to be in motion to stay healthy.. and we need to move to seek food, water and shelter..

so we consume energy because we have no choice.. we cannot regain it..

every plastics bag is nothing more than: a quicker move towards disorder.. every 4.5 L pick-up truck, towing a 25 foot boat and trailer is a real quick move towards disorder... if that truck runs on bio-fuel.. you are moving even quicker.

a person on a bike, hooked up to a generator.. needs more food, sweats more, breaths heavier and consumes more energy than the electricity he will generate..

Second law of thermodynamics: ENTROPY.

Green fuel is: Cold fusion... MYTH

The second law of thermodynamics applies to closed systems. You can decrease the entropy on Earth using solar energy. Of course, that doesn't mean you can recompose a log from ashes. But you can take ashes and CO2 and the sun's energy to create a carbon sink that contains a large reserve of chemical potential energy.

But I agree with the consumption reduction message of your post. We shouldn't expect technology to bail us out of climate catastrophe, we aren't there yet and most of the world's economy resists the kind of collective action that would be required to implement it. Heck, even the carbon tax to mildly incentivise moving away from carbon fuel is a political hand grenade.

 

[Beech]

wrong concerning water fasting.

I was making a joke.

per Aitkens, you can be sloshed and lose weight... WOOOHHHOOO.

In fact, per Aitkens, you can be sloshed.. gnaw down on a steak and lose weight... WOOOHOOOO.

he is right though..

Stylizer...simply load up on protein. Our body does not use it as stored fat.. It heals our muscles, gives us short term energy and we shit it out.

1) if you don't care about your health, but want weight lose. Eat tons of meat... Chicken, fish, beef
2) if you want to lose weight and not drop dead of 100 other issues, plant based protein: Quinoa, Lentils and other high protein.. As you need a complete protein, you must combine most plant based protein sources. Each on its own is not complete. If you eat 2-3 different legumes, etc. you will achieve a complete protein.

So make a nice Lentil/Fatoush.. it also uses Tahini oil... It will fill you.. and pass right through you. There are lentil/rice meals that are 25-30% protein.. you can eat 1000 calories a meal and your body sees 700... a 1000 calories is 3/4 cup of rice and 3/4 cup of lentils.. Once cooked that is 4-5 large bowls full.. you will explode if you eat it all... 700 calories is 6-8 hours of energy..

I am 165 lbs.. Until the age of 35, I was 220 lb. Plant based protein and ass on bike for 2 hrs a day.

No magic.. I eat like a horse.

look back, I sent Qward an excel program for weight control. Use it to guide your eating.

 

[Micklebot]

it does not leave the Universe. It does leave our planet

And what about all the energy that comes to the planet from external sources (there's a big one that wakes up the roosters every morning...)? Are you trying to suggest there's a net negative?

Waste is going to be produced no matter how much we try to reduce, the idea of waste to energy is that we take something that would otherwise sit in a landfill, and derive value out of it. This reduces the number or landfills required, and it releases the energy stored in the waste, which would otherwise go unused, into to usable energy.

 

[Beech]

And what about all the energy that comes to the planet from external sources (there's a big one that wakes up the roosters every morning...)? Are you trying to suggest there's a net negative?

Waste is going to be produced no matter how much we try to reduce, the idea of waste to energy is that we take something that would otherwise sit in a landfill, and derive value out of it. This reduces the number or landfills required, and it releases the energy stored in the waste, which would otherwise go unused, into to usable energy.

yup.. and the earth spews out a small percentage more and the energy is not always in useful form.

The earth spews hydrogen, oxygen, etc. They all leave us. Slowly. But they leave us.

the earth will be a depleted body down the line

 

[Micklebot]

yup.. and the earth spews out a small percentage more and the energy is not always in useful form.

The earth spews hydrogen, oxygen, etc. They all leave us. Slowly. But they leave us.

the earth will be a depleted body down the line

That goes against what NASA and other sources have to say about the earth's Energy budget and energy imbalance, .

 

[Do Make Say Think]

it does not leave the Universe. It does leave our planet


I am 60.. I will be dead in 20-25 years.

this planet stopped being mine in 1996 when the first of my Nieces and nephews was born.. it became theirs..

And so as this planet is your children's and your Grandchildren.. be careful about the mess you leave it in.. and the myths you adhere too.

Who cares about the kids... They want to be able to afford homes but that means I believe (incorrectly) that my property value will decrease! They want to have good benefits but then that means I can't have the insane benefits I was promised that make no sense! They don't want us to ruin the environment but then that means I have make sacrifices!

f*** them kids.

 

[maclean]

As you need a complete protein, you must combine most plant based protein sources. Each on its own is not complete. If you eat 2-3 different legumes, etc. you will achieve a complete protein.

You sure about that last part? What I remember from my veg days was you need, say, a legume and a grain for a complete protein. So, you know, beans and rice or bread, tofu and rice, etc. Don't remember multiple legumes counting

 

[Beech]

Who cares about the kids... They want to be able to afford homes but that means I believe (incorrectly) that my property value will decrease! They want to have good benefits but then that means I can't have the insane benefits I was promised that make no sense! They don't want us to ruin the environment but then that means I have make sacrifices!

f*** them kids.

NAH.... It is their world. Be nice to them. If we mess it up, we will be hurting our own.

Mass consumerism and mass waste the last 100 years, has depleted resources at an alarming rate. By 2077, OPEC oil will be significantly down. That is in a mere 54 years. A child born today, may have to endure hardship by the time he is in my present age group.

All generations are spoiled. I was. My Father was, His Father was.. and so on. And so, we need to protect the young. Allow them to age and they will gain sense..

Read Philip Larkin's' poem: This be the Verse

This Be The Verse​

BY PHILIP LARKIN
They f*** you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were f***ed up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

 

[Beech]

You sure about that last part? What I remember from my veg days was you need, say, a legume and a grain for a complete protein. So, you know, beans and rice or bread, tofu and rice, etc. Don't remember multiple legumes counting

Yup.

The line was not meant as law, but as a start point for people to do their research.

The general comment was to make sure to understand complete versus incomplete protein and not just boil Lentils and eat them, thinking you just ate steak.

 

[maclean]

Yup.

The line was not meant as law, but as a start point for people to do their research.

The general comment was to make sure to understand complete versus incomplete protein and not just boil Lentils and eat them, thinking you just ate steak.

OK, right. Yeah, always good to do some simple research and then it has the bonus of helping you imagine meal ideas combining the right nutrients. See way too many vegetarians just eating like broccoli and potatoes.

In general though, I'd say the main problem with a lot of diets is the restrictive nature as a whole. Eating the widest variety of food possible is always much better than focusing on a couple of "super" foods. Personally I like to encourage actively fermented foodstuffs, as that's something largely missing from today's western industrial diet

 

[Beech]

Stephen Hawking and I created his final theory of the cosmos – here’s what it reveals about the origins of time and life

The enigma at the centre of our 20-year collaboration was how the Big Bang could have created conditions so perfectly hospitable to life

theconversation.com

interesting article

 

[thinkwild]

Stephen Hawking and I created his final theory of the cosmos – here’s what it reveals about the origins of time and life

The enigma at the centre of our 20-year collaboration was how the Big Bang could have created conditions so perfectly hospitable to life

theconversation.com

interesting article

“To boldly go where Star Trek fears to tread” An interesting thought about rules evolving too

 

[Ralph Malfredsson]

I am experimenting with prolonged fasting. I'm trying to do a 7 day fast in October but being stymied by social pressure to eat at work dinners. I am currently in the middle of a 48h fast, which I did before earlier in the month also.

after the last time I did 48 hours of not eating I felt hungry but really really good... energy was paradoxically high, I slept better for a few days, my focus was better, I felt 10 years younger.

It was like having superpowers unlocked. I have no explanation for why.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

yup.. and the earth spews out a small percentage more and the energy is not always in useful form.

The earth spews hydrogen, oxygen, etc. They all leave us. Slowly. But they leave us.

the earth will be a depleted body down the line

You've bought into the 'fad'. Manufactured 'scarcity' = ever growing profits. The ones who make you sick are the same who sell you the cure. Can we 'do better' - absolutely. Just always be aware of the 'pied piper' - he feeds off of 'good intentions' and 'honest ignorance'.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Yup.

The line was not meant as law, but as a start point for people to do their research.

The general comment was to make sure to understand complete versus incomplete protein and not just boil Lentils and eat them, thinking you just ate steak.

If you substitute lentils instead of ground hamburger, when making a tomato based (spaghetti) meat sauce…. When eating, you probably would not notice the difference .

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

I am experimenting with prolonged fasting. I'm trying to do a 7 day fast in October but being stymied by social pressure to eat at work dinners. I am currently in the middle of a 48h fast, which I did before earlier in the month also.

after the last time I did 48 hours of not eating I felt hungry but really really good... energy was paradoxically high, I slept better for a few days, my focus was better, I felt 10 years younger.

It was like having superpowers unlocked. I have no explanation for why.

It's in your head. Do anything with that kind of intention and you'll feel 'the high.' Is it sustainable tho?

Remember that time you signed up for the gym and felt unbeatable for the fist 2 weeks? Where did that go?

Not hating, I'm going through the exact same shit. It's a puzzle. 'Change' is a harsh mistress.

 

[Stylizer1]

I am experimenting with prolonged fasting. I'm trying to do a 7 day fast in October but being stymied by social pressure to eat at work dinners. I am currently in the middle of a 48h fast, which I did before earlier in the month also.

after the last time I did 48 hours of not eating I felt hungry but really really good... energy was paradoxically high, I slept better for a few days, my focus was better, I felt 10 years younger.

It was like having superpowers unlocked. I have no explanation for why.

By the third day the hunger pangs go away. Keep in mind you need a least 3-4 liters of water a day, pink Himalayan Sea salt, and take magnesium. This is very important because you will experience leg cramps. By the third day your body will be fully in a state of ketosis and your body will start burning it's fat reserves instead of feeding on muscle tissue for energy. It's gets really easy by this point. I did 9 days last year and stopped because I felt I was good. I have been doing this once a year for about 4 years now and it's only been positive. I start with 1 day, then 3 days, a few 5 days, a 7 day, and my last was 9 days. Breaking your fast has to be done slowly too. Need to eat easily digestible foods for the first 2 days, bone broth is excellent. Then can move on to some fruits and veg and easily digestible proteins like fish. Stay away from Carbohydrates and you will maintain a great level of clarity. You will also notice the smallest portions of food will fill you up fast. Maintaing that level of consumption will truly help you reach you goals way faster. Keep drinking water too. Stay away from sugar.

 

[Qward]

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