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bicboi64

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I mean, it wasn't clean, it was interference, and retaliatory at that. He didn't catch him in the head, if that's what you mean,
It's definitely interference, so by definition breaking a rule so dirty I guess, but it wasn't a head shot. I think for me, as much as I don't like the hit, I get why the Habs player did it considering how badly the Habs have been getting injured and then Greig having an interference like hit on Dach. If anyone on our roster gives any hit that Greig did to the Habs young stars, it only makes sense that our stars will be targeted.

It was a retaliatory hit that isn't by the books clean, but I get why it happened considering previous events in the game.
 

Micklebot

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It's definitely interference, so by definition breaking a rule so dirty I guess, but it wasn't a head shot. I think for me, as much as I don't like the hit, I get why the Habs player did it considering how badly the Habs have been getting injured and then Greig having an interference like hit on Dach. If anyone on our roster gives any hit that Greig did to the Habs young stars, it only makes sense that our stars will be targeted.

It was a retaliatory hit that isn't by the books clean, but I get why it happened considering previous events in the game.
Interference from the blind side, that's dirty even if there isn't a head shot (though it looked like he might have tried for it). Greig's hit on Dach wasn't really any better, but the difference as far as I can tell is he timed it wrong rather than maliciously went after it. Maybe I'm wrong and he intentionally hit Dach late, either way it's understandable that Mtl was upset about it, but a) Dach was alright, b) they went after Greig all night, and c) Dach got his fight with Greig.

Throwing retaliatory dirty hits on star players is a bad look for the league, especially when it's a guy who'd just gotten fined a game earlier. I was surprised the league didn't give him a phone call after that, I guess he's luck he missed picking the head. You don't typically throw a hit on the far shoulder if you're trying to make clean contact, interference or not.
 

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Interference from the blind side, that's dirty even if there isn't a head shot (though it looked like he might have tried for it). Greig's hit on Dach wasn't really any better, but the difference as far as I can tell is he timed it wrong rather than maliciously went after it. Maybe I'm wrong and he intentionally hit Dach late, either way it's understandable that Mtl was upset about it, but a) Dach was alright, b) they went after Greig all night, and c) Dach got his fight with Greig.

Throwing retaliatory dirty hits on star players is a bad look for the league, especially when it's a guy who'd just gotten fined a game earlier. I was surprised the league didn't give him a phone call after that, I guess he's luck he missed picking the head. You don't typically throw a hit on the far shoulder if you're trying to make clean contact, interference or not.
Just to be transparent, I want these retaliatory hits gone. I wish the league would do better when it came to this type of stuff, but don't expect it because plugs like Paros are in charge.

Late hits like Greigs will inevitably happen, and I hope the players have enough awareness to settle it themselves (like Greig and Dach did with fighting) without the retaliatory crap stops or we're going to get another Steve Moore incident.

I'm still thinking about how effed it was that Xhekaj felt emboldened enough to rabbit punch Pare and only got a fine.
 
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Enforcement is overrated. There is no such thing as a deterrent.

Look at the Toilet Seat boys. Jackeye is a true heavyweight, and their last 2 opponents behaved like he doesn't exist. Pare ran at Laine, injuring him. Another guy hurt Rickenbacher. Greig went after Dach late. Nobody acts like they're scared of Jackeye at all.

Watch the Leafs. Teams take runs at them as much as any other team, nobody is scared of Reaves.

Yeah, we don't want Tkachuk fighting. Guys like Ostapchuk, MacEwan, Hamonic and Kleven can handle the fights when they are needed, which isn't very often.

I agree with you deterence isn't really a thing.

But what is a real thing, is intimidation and setting the physical pace, and dominating physically.

You want a team that is capable of throwing it's weight around, and making the opponents second guess themselves.

You see it after a player gets hit too often, they start to give the puck up right away. They start just rimming it instead of making a play. They start trying to actually be second on the puck to avoid a hit.

We need to have total team toughness where if some guy takes a run at our players, our team doesn't all of a sudden play scared. We return the favour and show we won't back down.

To do that usually though, you need a couple of big dudes leading the way.

It's a simplistic view, but go watch the movie goon where the French dude is playing scared...then when someone kicks ass for him, it gives him confidence that his team has his back, so he doesn't play scared. Laugh all you want about it being a movie, but listen to any podcast with ex NHLers and they'll tell you intimidation is real, and team toughness to get through that is a huge advantage.


People don't want some mcgrattan in the lineup. They just want more hard nosed hockey players that can play a regular shift (don't need to be a 20 goal scorer) but know their role is to hit hit hit and wear down the opponent on the forecheck...and if the other team is fed up? Duck it, let's go. Drop the gloves.

No one is asking for staged fights. They're asking for tough hockey players that don't Give a second thought about engaging physically or fighting.
 
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I generally agree here for sure.

I will say ullmark resigning is a big question mark.

I will say defense has potential, but how good is Chabot when yakemchuk enters his prime... And will Sanderson and yakemchuk be as good as Chara and redden? And will we have a top shut down pair in the league behind them?

I agree forward depth is lacking, especially once Giroux and Perron are old or gone...way less depth than when we were good 2000-2007.

So like, we have to hit the jackpot or consistently hit on every 1st and 2nd round draft pick.

I agree we aren't winning the cup this year...but let's say our goal is to win in the next 5 years, how do we realistically achieve that? Or atleast be one of those 3-4 teams that has a realistic shot over a 3-4 year window?

Seriously, I don't know. For now, I'd like to just become a regular playoffs team and then go from there. One thing for sure, if we were to win, we'd need a lot of stars to align.

You included Yakemchuk so I think you're looking at what we have going forward. I'd replace Chabot with Kleven in that conversation. Chabot hasn't look very good in a long time, nevermind going forward IMO.

Kleven has no chance to ever be close to Chabot. If Kleven is our 3rd best piece on defense for the future, forget ever becoming a contender and start thinking about the next rebuild.

I know Chabot has become very underappreciated and polarizing among the fanbase but it is most likely due to his playing style. For me, it's a copy/paste of the Spezza situation from 10-15 years ago. Chabot was very close to Elite in 2021-22, he has been quite injured since and hasn't been at that level but even on his worst day, he is much better than Kleven and still produces very well at ES and is still one of the premier transitional players. Still the 17th best PPG among D-men since his sophomore season in 2018-19.

Yeah, but did we even need them during that timeframe? We couldn't keep Hossa and Chara due to money constraints. We had solid teams back then, built through drafting and trades. Oh, those were the days.

We were in golden situation (but still didn't win), had a stacked team because our GM (Marshall Johnston) didn't neglect asset management so we had elite actual players and a still extremely good pool.
 
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DueDiligence

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Why are you being such a prick? If you disagree with something I post, just state your opinion and rationale. Why add the "delusional takes"? If you're looking for serious discussion, why add that? If you're not, then why respond?
I call it like I see it.
 

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It's probably me that has it wrong.

We sure do play them a lot in pre-season.

I think we were both right. Just thinking of different games, Montreal losing their minds about who is dressing for the game isn’t just a one time occurrence.
 
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bicboi64

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I call it like I see it.
Yes, I get that you call what you see. The question is, if you see something delusional, why are you taking the time to interact with someone you think is delusional?

I've never been disrespectful to you in anyway and interact with your posts because you post normal hockey talk. If I thought you were delusional, I wouldn't bother interacting with your posts. So again, why are you taking the time out of your day to even respond to someone/thing you see as delusional?
 

DueDiligence

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Yes, I get that you call what you see. The question is, if you see something delusional, why are you taking the time to interact with someone you think is delusional?

I've never been disrespectful to you in anyway and interact with your posts because you post normal hockey talk. If I thought you were delusional, I wouldn't bother interacting with your posts. So again, why are you taking the time out of your day to even respond to someone/thing you see as delusional?
Certainly seemed like you were trolling the board calling it a "clean hit". Then in subsequent posts you contradict yourself saying it was "definitely interference" which to every objective person it was. Combine that with numerous critical takes of Stu and Brady and yet advocating a salary increase for Brannstrom and it's hard to take you seriously sometimes.
 

bicboi64

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Certainly seemed like you were trolling the board calling it a "clean hit". Then in subsequent posts you contradict yourself saying it was "definitely interference" which to every objective person it was. Combine that with numerous critical takes of Stu and Brady and yet advocating a salary increase for Brannstrom and it's hard to take you seriously sometimes.
I posted I didn't think the hit was dirty, other posters respond without being a dick, I reconsider my position and then explain my thoughts on the hit. It's beyond me how you consider that trolling.

If its hard to take me seriously, then why bother responding? It's such an immature way to approach hockey talk if you think I'm an unserious troll. Like you can put me on an ignore list, or just keep scrolling, but choosing to just call someone's posts on a casual hockey board delusional, not sure what you're trying to accomplish.
 

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