Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

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bert

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the announced price will be $1 billion, but on paper the sale price will be $850 million.
I think that's quite the stretch. No comparable out there remotely suggests that's the price.

Nashville just sold for 775 and has a rink in a good location. An established brand like the Penguins sold for 900 with a new arena. Why would Ottawa be worth as much as either?
 

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I think that's quite the stretch. No comparable out there remotely suggests that's the price.

Nashville just sold for 775 and has a rink in a good location. An established brand like the Penguins sold for 900 with a new arena. Why would Ottawa be worth as much as either?

Its competition. Ottawa is a prize everyone wants. Pitt and Nashville dont have the same interest in ownership as Ottawa does - so the price is higher. Nashville didnt have an AA++ celebrity going to Jimmy Kimmel begging for the team.

And $850 million is exactly between what Nashville and Pitt sold for so i dont see why its that weird of a number?
 

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Maybe someone with more savvy than me can start a poll about the eventual selling price and/or bid winner.
 

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True, but I don't see Lebreton being an affordable housing location, unless this is something negotiated with the City as part of the parcel of land, and a requirement of the "free" parcel

seeing how Lebreton Flats is owned by the NCC, don’t know if the municipality has much leverage here.
 

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I think $700M is more than fair, considering the reality of the market and the need to also front the money for a new arena build. I've seen $900M-$1B mentioned in some articles and in commentary and I think that's absolutely insane. I just don't know how an investor, or a group of investors, recoups their money on that type of sale price.
Sale price will likely be 5-6X revenues. So if revenues are 150M that’s 750-900M sale price.
 

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Isn't there also a bylaw of some sort requiring mixed housing for developers? Perhaps not at the Flats, but a commitment to build lower income housing if you're also building the high end stuff (and everything seems unaffordable these days!)?
Isn't there also a bylaw of some sort requiring mixed housing for developers? Perhaps not at the Flats, but a commitment to build lower income housing if you're also building the high end stuff (and everything seems unaffordable these days!)?
I thought I read about that somewhere in an article that was reporting what the NCC was doing with their land sales. It was an inclusion as to what the NCC was looking for from potential bidders. Might have been applicable to what they called the "library" parcel, or might have been Lebreton Flats. I don't remember.
 
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I'm saying these people value their own integrity and time and are not 'looky loos' as you put it. You sound like you are judging and belittling the character of someone without actually knowing many people in that demographic to base it off.

If you are putting your name out there as a possible bidder it is because your are seriously contemplating it, not because you're trying to score cheap points with chicks at the bar.
Belittling their character??? What are you talking about lol? My favourite part is when you go on to say the bolded which is exactly the same thing I'm saying. Contemplating is not the same as making an offer or being a serious bidder. If someone told you they were contemplating your dinner invite, you wouldn't run and put it in your calendar lol. Can't believe you actually believe there's going to be 20+ actual, real money offers for the team. What a world you're living in.
 

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Sale price will likely be 5-6X revenues. So if revenues are 150M that’s 750-900M sale price.
That seems like too simple a metric to base it off of. Revenue doesn't speak to profitability, especially with how barebones this team has been running for the last 5 years. Plus, there's the extraordinary cost to build a new arena that's part of the deal and the potential demolition or repurposing of the existing arena into something else to consider. This is a really tough deal to assess given all the circumstances involved. If the daughters want to keep a piece of the organization, will that also further drop the price bidders are willing to pay?
 

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Basing the purchase price off revenues under Melnyk's worst period of ownership seems like a flawed method. What was he leaving on the table by operating the way he did?
 

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You have obviously not watched Welcome to Wrexham if you think it is a reality TV "circus".

It's a powerful and compelling documentary about a passionate but down and out team/fan base bring brought back to like by two celebrity owners.

Ryan and Rob show nothing but love of sport, commitment to a community and a strong desire to succeed. Its really a very touching series.

We should be so lucky to have people like that in our ownership group, celebrity or not.

The added revenue RR could bring with his marketing abilities would be gravy.
I watched it. Nice show. And when the show stops, cameras stopped rolling, and they use that little team for "content" then what? Do they pump and dump it at a huge profit? They don't strike me as having the attention span to own that team long term.

I know everyone's hearts are aflutter , just enjoy that aspect and who knows, maybe they prove me wrong.
 

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Its competition. Ottawa is a prize everyone wants. Pitt and Nashville dont have the same interest in ownership as Ottawa does - so the price is higher. Nashville didnt have an AA++ celebrity going to Jimmy Kimmel begging for the team.

And $850 million is exactly between what Nashville and Pitt sold for so i dont see why its that weird of a number?
They already have nice, downtown arenas maybe?
 

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I watched it. Nice show. And when the show stops, cameras stopped rolling, and they use that little team for "content" then what? Do they pump and dump it at a huge profit? They don't strike me as having the attention span to own that team long term.

I know everyone's hearts are aflutter , just enjoy that aspect and who knows, maybe they prove me wrong.
Regardless of authenticity of commitment to the team or community, that’s not the point. Who the hell knew anything about wrexham before celebrity ownership and that show? How many new followers, how much in merch sales, tourism revenue, etc.? Having that kind of publicity built in to ownership is valuable. It can’t be bought.

When’s the last time the Sens (or any nhl team) were talked about on late night talk shows, or the tmz/ entertainment media, people magazine? Regardless of whether any of those people in the audience spend a dime on sens/nhl, making impressions and building brand recognition is valuable. Reynolds is smart to give everyone a peek at what kind of value having him on board provides.
 
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I watched it. Nice show. And when the show stops, cameras stopped rolling, and they use that little team for "content" then what? Do they pump and dump it at a huge profit? They don't strike me as having the attention span to own that team long term.

I know everyone's hearts are aflutter , just enjoy that aspect and who knows, maybe they prove me wrong.

I guess you missed the part where they're trying to rebuild the collapsed part of the stadium.

 
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Regardless of authenticity of commitment to the team or community, that’s not the point. Who the hell knew anything about wrexham before celebrity ownership and that show? How many new followers, how much in merch sales, tourism revenue, etc.? Having that kind of publicity built in to ownership is valuable. It can’t be bought.

When’s the last time the Sens (or any nhl team) were talked about on late night talk shows, or the tmz/ entertainment media, people magazine? Regardless of whether any of those people in the audience spend a dime on sens/nhl, making impressions and building brand recognition is valuable. Reynolds is smart to give everyone a peek at what kind of value having him on board provides.
It’s this right that is both important for the Sens, but also was extremely smart because it shifted Reynolds from being another interested party, to being a must have part of every ownership group.

He went from looking for a ‘sugar pampy’ to waiting out the bidding like the prom Queen when a slow jam comes on.

That’s a brilliant little flex, and a sign of what he could bring when part of the ownership team.

I know it’s super weird for Sens fans, but maybe, just maybe, we really can have a nice thing or two ;)
 

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I watched it. Nice show. And when the show stops, cameras stopped rolling, and they use that little team for "content" then what? Do they pump and dump it at a huge profit? They don't strike me as having the attention span to own that team long term.

I know everyone's hearts are aflutter , just enjoy that aspect and who knows, maybe they prove me wrong.
Ryan also spent time living in Ottawa, and has on numerous occasions donated money to charities here. Why do you think he’s only interested on a scummy business level when he clearly has ties to this city?
 
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Regardless of authenticity of commitment to the team or community, that’s not the point. Who the hell knew anything about wrexham before celebrity ownership and that show? How many new followers, how much in merch sales, tourism revenue, etc.? Having that kind of publicity built in to ownership is valuable. It can’t be bought.

When’s the last time the Sens (or any nhl team) were talked about on late night talk shows, or the tmz/ entertainment media, people magazine? Regardless of whether any of those people in the audience spend a dime on sens/nhl, making impressions and building brand recognition is valuable. Reynolds is smart to give everyone a peek at what kind of value having him on board provides.
I think the circumstances are different enough that the same type of groundswell of support won't manifest in Ottawa like it did for Wrexham. The leagues and situations are fundamentally different, with only the thinnest of common threads between them. Plus, soccer has a much much wider audience base than hockey does so there's a far broader coalition of fans to pull into the gravy train of merch, tourism revenue, etc.
 

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Ryan also spent time living in Ottawa, and has on numerous occasions donated money to charities here. Why do you think he’s only interested on a scummy business level when he clearly has ties to this city?
I don't get it either. Reynolds is probably going to be like 1-2% of the ownership. I don't think he has some nefarious plan to create a whole bunch of content and try and quick flip his share of ownership for a quick several million profit. I mean has any owner "flipped" a major sports team for a quick profit? Seems more like transferring the profile of a scummy landlord / house flipper and applying it to Reynolds for some reason.
 
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I don't get it either. Reynolds is probably going to be like 1-2% of the ownership. I don't think he has some nefarious plan to create a whole bunch of content and try and quick flip his share of ownership for a quick several million profit. I mean has any owner "flipped" a major sports team for a quick profit? Seems more like transferring the profile of a scummy landlord / house flipper and applying it to Reynolds for some reason.
Even if he does sell his 1-2% share after making a show, who the f*** cares?
 

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Give me an owner with very deep pockets such as one of the Thomson clan (David, Peter, Taylor or Sherry). I see little value in celebrities who are simply PR people.
 
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I watched it. Nice show. And when the show stops, cameras stopped rolling, and they use that little team for "content" then what? Do they pump and dump it at a huge profit? They don't strike me as having the attention span to own that team long term.

I know everyone's hearts are aflutter , just enjoy that aspect and who knows, maybe they prove me wrong.
Interesting comment about 2 people you have no clue about. To most owners pro sports is a great toy to play with; a diversion from their regular line of business. To others it's an ego investment to garner attention and recognition that they normally would never receive. Precious few buy a team to make it a life long money making venture.
 
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The one opportunity for the franchise to appear "cool" or "trendy" with Reynolds and we have people wanting to say no? I don't get that one bit. This franchise has been lame as hell for way too long.
When Deadpool 3 comes out in 2024 ( with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine) it will be the biggest movie of the year and cement RR status as a megastar. Imagine him and HJ in the owner's box at a Sens game. World wide attention.
 

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When Deadpool 3 comes out in 2024 ( with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine) it will be the biggest movie of the year and cement RR status as a megastar. Imagine him and HJ in the owner's box at a Sens game. World wide attention.
Beats Melnyk with Mel Gibson.

Wouldn't mind some Blake Lively sightings too. Celebrity wife section has been pretty bare since we got rid of Fisher and Comrie.
 
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