Value of: Sedin Twins
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They're too old and carry too much of a cap hit to be attractive trade bait. That doesn't mean they don't hold any value, but it's fairly low given that this isn't their final year on the contract.
Vancouver would be wise to keep them, shelter guys like Horvat and hopefully Virtanen and in the final year of the contract, if they're playing like they're playing right now, try to move them for something.
Highest value would be possible by:
1) Sedin's playing well next season
2) Vancouver willing to hold maximum amount of their caphit
3) Trading together (granted there would be fewer suitors, but I think a team would step up if they're on the verge of a cup. You get, at worst, 2/3rds of a top-6 line and as we've seen over and over again, depth wins cups).
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If they didn't have NMC's they might be moveable at 50% retention. But they do have NMC's so forget it. Van has to just wait them out to recover the cap space and then rebuild.
They'll only cost about 3M in cap for the rest of the season at the deadline. If I was Bergevin and the Habs I would make the call. As it stands the Habs will have about 2M available at the deadline. Force DD in the trade to Van and it'll clear an additional 500k. Vancouver could probably retain 1M to make it work. Depending on the cost it could be the move to put the Habs over. And it's Benning, am I right?
Habs can use a legitimate top 6LW and maybe even a centre if Pleks doesn't snap out of it.
Habs can use a legitimate top 6LW and maybe even a centre if Pleks doesn't snap out of it.
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What team on the verge of a cup has that much cap available even at 50% retained? Its not like they would be rentals - they still have a year left.
There's a quote from Henrik in the last day or so where reporters are asking him what the team can do to shake up the offence and one person asked if splitting up the twins should be on the option. Henrik said, he thinks that would be the wrong move.
So, if they are even unwilling to play on separate lines in Vancouver, they are never going to waive to go to separate teams.
Honestly, the earliest that they can be moved is the TDL in 2018. They will finish this season with the team. But, really, I don't see another franchise wanting both of them in 2018. They are getting very stale and predictable. Plus, it's way easier to get 1 of them to buy into your system, rather that acquire both of them and then try to fit one of your forwards to figure out how to play with them, since both like to be down low cycling the puck. Meaning, that winger has to be up higher to cover defensively. That player has to have some size and speed to get in on the forecheck and battle for a loose puck for them, yet have the hands to get to open ice to finish off a play.
If I was a GM of another team, I'd only want 1 of them. Depending on my team's need, either a centre or a winger. I wouldn't want both of them. Too hard to fit them into my system.
That's the conundrum the Canucks face with the twins. Individually, they would be worth a decent return. Collectively, not moveable.
That's the good and bad with the twins. Good, is that when they are on, they have that chemistry. Bad, is that they are joined at the hip.
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From Montreal, for the Sedin's at 50% retained I wouldn't mind a deal involving Plekanec, Hudon and a 1st.
Then try and get a top 3 LHD in another deal.
Then try and get a top 3 LHD in another deal.
What's the fantasy with packaging them together everywhere?
Like, have they come out and said they won't be traded separately or something?
Like, have they come out and said they won't be traded separately or something?
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The poster said at next year's deadline. So they would only need the prorated space for the rest of the year. Not unprecedented in the past, but looking through team cap situations this year, there's really not a lot of wiggle room. The cap stagnating seems to have really dried up any room and next year doesn't look like it'll change
JuniorNelson
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Nothing in a hockey contract cannot be overcome. Sedins could agree to retire after this season, for instance. Lecavalier did that. He was thirty-six, as well.
Sedins might agree to separation if they agree to move? So far, they won't even agree to co-operate with Vancouver on line changes. This is what happens when the owner sucks up to the star players. The team becomes a weird incestuous thing. It's been going on for years and the Canucks have become coach killers. They will try another coach before they dare argue with the Sedins and possibly hurt feelings.
Sedins might agree to separation if they agree to move? So far, they won't even agree to co-operate with Vancouver on line changes. This is what happens when the owner sucks up to the star players. The team becomes a weird incestuous thing. It's been going on for years and the Canucks have become coach killers. They will try another coach before they dare argue with the Sedins and possibly hurt feelings.
In fairness, my post said they need to wait until next year to trade them - when they would be rentals. I do agree though, finding teams on the cusp of winning that can take on that much salary, even at 50% retained, will be tough. Most teams have at least one large, underperforming, contract that would likely need to go back and Vancouver would be wise to take that if it ups the return to first round picks, top-prospects, etc.
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Kings could probably pull off a deal to take both with no cap retention. But Vancouver would be taking back Brown+Gaborik+Greene to make the salaries work. LA would still need to toss something (probably alot) in to make it palatable.
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I don't think Vancouver would be too keen to to take on one of the worst contracts in the NHL.
LA would add Kale Clague & their 1st
Bjornar Moxnes
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For Nashville (Since Nashville is among the only contending team that if you give back a fair amount of salary can take on the Sedins both max retained).
Jarnkrok, Ribeiro, one of Fiala or Fabbro, 1st round pick (Only if we make the playoffs), if not becomes 2nd rounder. I believe the Sedins will still be able to help us tremendously.
Jarnkrok, Ribeiro, one of Fiala or Fabbro, 1st round pick (Only if we make the playoffs), if not becomes 2nd rounder. I believe the Sedins will still be able to help us tremendously.
Each Sedin alone is worth a 1st plus and for the 2 with retention you barely even offer that
With that said, no team can afford to give up the assets it would take besides teams that aren't cup contenders. The cost would be a 1st, an A prospect, a B prospect and then some depending on how bad the salaries coming back are and the retention
McYoungGuns
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im sorry but both together arent even worth a first , you forget the fact that they have to be protected in the draft , thats adding two players to the auto protect pile, ya no, not happening . Van should be happy if they could get a team to offer even a first for them
NoShowWilly
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They won't be moved until after the expansion draft if they are. It is just too challenging having to protect both.
Bringer of Jollity
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I don't see this as a good fit and would rather target younger impact players if we're trading off assets and taking on that much salary, with all due respect to the Sedins and their fantastic careers.
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Well I know they are probably gonna play the rest of their contracts here and they probably don't want to leave. Hopefully the team finishes top 4 in the draft the next three years, to rebuild the forward system. Defense we can pick up a UFA and they are set. But anyways with Hawks
Daniel Sedin(50%)
Henrik Sedin(50%)
Hjalmarsson
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2017 1st
2017 2nd
The Hawks get the Sedins adding depth and to keep competing for possibly another cup and they are retained 50%.
Canucks get top 4 Dman and some depth players to help with depth and two picks for the future. They most likely won't be that high either.
Daniel Sedin(50%)
Henrik Sedin(50%)
Hjalmarsson
Panik
2017 1st
2017 2nd
The Hawks get the Sedins adding depth and to keep competing for possibly another cup and they are retained 50%.
Canucks get top 4 Dman and some depth players to help with depth and two picks for the future. They most likely won't be that high either.
