Second impressions of Marty St. Louis (Mod warning in OP)

[True Blue]

Who cares? I'd rather them get to the ECF and lose it than miss out on the ECF.

Making ECF alone is not worth 2 first round picks.

We don't have future vision so we won't know if they'd win or lose in the ECF. I'd like to see them take their chances rather than lose before it.

There are teams that can take chances on making this type of trade and there are teams that should not. To me, the Rangers fall into the latter category.

There's a huge difference if you are trading away draft picks with no young players already in the NHL versus what we have (plenty of young guys on our team). The two are completely different scenarios.

We do not have an abundance of very good young players. And the farm system is fairly barren.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I don't disagree, as the goal is to win the Stanley Cup and to do that you have to make the ECF first. Just pointing out making the ECF ups the cost of St Louis, which will hopefully will result in a better return BY St Louis.

Talking too far in advance anyway, we have to get through the Flyers and Penguins before we can even begin thinking about that. Tall order.

I'm very confident about our squad and the Flyers. The Pens are a different story, but if Hank is on all cylinders, we can beat anyone in this league over a 7-game series.

 

[True Blue]

I'm very confident about our squad and the Flyers. The Pens are a different story, but if Hank is on all cylinders, we can beat anyone in this league over a 7-game series.

A good team's hope should not rest on the goalie being on all cylinders. If Henke is all world, then yes, the team can steal games from anyone. But what if the other goalie is just as hot?

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I'm very confident about our squad and the Flyers. The Pens are a different story, but if Hank is on all cylinders, we can beat anyone in this league over a 7-game series.

I agree, but careful - this opinion is not allowed by some here. Prepare to be criticized...

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Making ECF alone is not worth 2 first round picks.

There are teams that can take chances on making this type of trade and there are teams that should not. To me, the Rangers fall into the latter category.

You don't look at it as "making the ECF alone." That's shortsighted. You look at it as the overall chance for this team to win a Cup. We have all of next year as well with MSL and I assume we'll re-sign him if he wants to keep playing (and I'm sure he does).

The team has been fantastic since the MSL trade. If anything, he's been an outstanding decoy and has taken pressure off of Nash and company.

We do not have an abundance of very good young players. And the farm system is fairly barren.

We don't? News to me.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

A good team's hope should not rest on the goalie being on all cylinders. If Henke is all world, then yes, the team can steal games from anyone. But what if the other goalie is just as hot?

If the other goalie is "just as hot," then the rest of the team needs to play well. I'm speaking more about Hank being a bit hit or miss at times this season. The team has been pretty much on an upward trend all year (save a game or two here and there like any team). As they've become more comfortable with the system, they've improved.

If Hank can keep up his stellar play, we do damage. But it's like that for any good team. A goalie getting hot is normally what wins a team the Cup.

 

[Jersey Girl]

I'm very confident about our squad and the Flyers. The Pens are a different story, but if Hank is on all cylinders, we can beat anyone in this league over a 7-game series.

While I do not disagree with this statement at all, over the years it's been proven

1) In Rangerworld that may occasionally work for one series, but has never worked for an entire playoffs run. Not. Even. Close.

2) Sather seems to use 'Hank can beat anyone in a seven game series if he's hot' as his formula for building a Stanley Cup contender.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

We do not have an abundance of very good young players. And the farm system is fairly barren.

I don't understand this.

Kreider (22) - technically still a rookie, with size, speed, and skill, his future looks bright. Could have scored 20 this year if not for the injury.

Stepan (23) who has 193 points in 288 career games.

Zuccarello (26) - nothing needs to be said.

McDonagh (24) - elite, #1 defenseman

Hagelin (25) - brings a unique element to the game and good for 15-20 goals, minimum

Brassard (26) - solid #3C, meh #2C.

Miller (21) - good prospect. Could be a 2/3 liner, or better.

Then Staal (27), Pouliot (27), Talbot (26), Moore (23), are all young. Nash and Girardi are only 29. We also have Haggerty, McIlrath, Buchnevich, Duclair, Skjei, all who project to be at minimum players who should be on an NHL roster some day.

We have 4 players 30 or over on the roster.

This team is not old by any stretch. We are the 13th youngest team in the NHL in average age (27.263).

Again, your posts make no sense.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

If the other goalie is "just as hot," then the rest of the team needs to play well. I'm speaking more about Hank being a bit hit or miss at times this season. The team has been pretty much on an upward trend all year (save a game or two here and there like any team). As they've become more comfortable with the system, they've improved.

If Hank can keep up his stellar play, we do damage. But it's like that for any good team. A goalie getting hot is normally what wins a team the Cup.

Bolded - again, I agree, but that doesn't seem to be the popular opinion around here. It seems that what wins a team the Cup is everything that we don't have.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Bolded - again, I agree, but that doesn't seem to be the popular opinion around here. It seems that what wins a team the Cup is everything that we don't have.

And if we win the Cup it will be everything we DO have! How that works...

 

[aufheben]

Fire on all cylinders for one series? Maybe. 4 series? This team has been inconsistent all season...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't disagree, as the goal is to win the Stanley Cup and to do that you have to make the ECF first. Just pointing out making the ECF ups the cost of St Louis, which will hopefully will result in a better return BY St Louis.

Talking too far in advance anyway, we have to get through the Flyers and Penguins before we can even begin thinking about that. Tall order.

Flyers we can handle. The Penguins will be difficult, but since we're a great road team this season, I like our chances.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Flyers we can handle. The Penguins will be difficult, but since we're a great road team this season, I like our chances.

I hope you're right. Flyers are playing really well, and they seem to have finally remedied their longstanding goalie issue. That will be a difficult series.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Also, why are people so hung up on those 1st round picks.

We suck at drafting. Since 2003, our 1st round picks include:

Montoya (AHL calibre goalie)
Korpikoski (3rd liner)
Staal (solid 2nd pairing defenseman)
Sanguinetti (AHL calibre)
Cherepanov (RIP)
Del Zotto (3rd pairing defenseman)
Kreider (Great player)
McIlrath (will he ever make the step up?)
Miller (Still developing)

Only Staal and Kreider are worth mentioning. I think 1st round picks, especially picks 15-30, are overrated. Unless you have a top5 pick, it's a gamble. Getting 2 years out of a superstar like MSL, and maybe more if he re-signs, is better than what we might get from players in 2018.

MSL is 38/39 now, but he could easily play for another 4 years.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I hope you're right. Flyers are playing really well, and they seem to have finally remedied their longstanding goalie issue. That will be a difficult series.

Oh, agree there. It won't be easy, but we have a pretty good shot against the Flyers. I rather play the Flyers than the Canadiens.

 

[aufheben]

Also, why are people so hung up on those 1st round picks.

We suck at drafting. Since 2003, our 1st round picks include:

Montoya (AHL calibre goalie)
Korpikoski (3rd liner)
Staal (solid 2nd pairing defenseman)
Sanguinetti (AHL calibre)
Cherepanov (RIP)
Del Zotto (3rd pairing defenseman)
Kreider (Great player)
McIlrath (will he ever make the step up?)
Miller (Still developing)

Only Staal and Kreider are worth mentioning. I think 1st round picks, especially picks 15-30, are overrated. Unless you have a top5 pick, it's a gamble. Getting 2 years out of a superstar like MSL, and maybe more if he re-signs, is better than what we might get from players in 2018.

MSL is 38/39 now, but he could easily play for another 4 years.

I think you're underselling a lot of these players. We've gotten a ton of good players through the draft, and the best team we've had in 20 years was filled with homegrown players.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Also, why are people so hung up on those 1st round picks.

We suck at drafting. Since 2003, our 1st round picks include:

Montoya (AHL calibre goalie)
Korpikoski (3rd liner)
Staal (solid 2nd pairing defenseman)
Sanguinetti (AHL calibre)
Cherepanov (RIP)
Del Zotto (3rd pairing defenseman)
Kreider (Great player)
McIlrath (will he ever make the step up?)
Miller (Still developing)

Only Staal and Kreider are worth mentioning. I think 1st round picks, especially picks 15-30, are overrated. Unless you have a top5 pick, it's a gamble. Getting 2 years out of a superstar like MSL, and maybe more if he re-signs, is better than what we might get from players in 2018.

MSL is 38/39 now, but he could easily play for another 4 years.

Yeah, draft picks are always a gamble, even first round picks. That said, if you have zero first round draft picks, the probability of drafting a good player in the first round is zero. And 2015 is considered to be one of the best draft classes in a long time.

And we do not have St Louis for four years, we have him signed for this year and next, that's it.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

While I do not disagree with this statement at all, over the years it's been proven

1) In Rangerworld that may occasionally work for one series, but has never worked for an entire playoffs run. Not. Even. Close.

2) Sather seems to use 'Hank can beat anyone in a seven game series if he's hot' as his formula for building a Stanley Cup contender.

Well, we've never had Hank functioning on all cylinders in the playoffs. If he had a better series against the Debbies, we'd of been playing the Kings.

Either we've never had Hank functioning 100% or the team hasn't been 100%. This year, the team has been very good and Hank has been very good.

 

[haveandare]

I don't understand this.

Kreider (22) - technically still a rookie, with size, speed, and skill, his future looks bright. Could have scored 20 this year if not for the injury.

Stepan (23) who has 193 points in 288 career games.

Zuccarello (26) - nothing needs to be said.

McDonagh (24) - elite, #1 defenseman

Hagelin (25) - brings a unique element to the game and good for 15-20 goals, minimum

Brassard (26) - solid #3C, meh #2C.

Miller (21) - good prospect. Could be a 2/3 liner, or better.

Then Staal (27), Pouliot (27), Talbot (26), Moore (23), are all young. Nash and Girardi are only 29. We also have Haggerty, McIlrath, Buchnevich, Duclair, Skjei, all who project to be at minimum players who should be on an NHL roster some day.

We have 4 players 30 or over on the roster.

This team is not old by any stretch. We are the 13th youngest team in the NHL in average age (27.263).

Again, your posts make no sense.

Thank you. What team are people talking about when they say there are no young players?

4 players 30 or over. 4. That is worth repeating.

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

Fire on all cylinders for one series? Maybe. 4 series? This team has been inconsistent all season...

How many wins have the Rangers had since January? By my count it's 22 wins, 11 losses, and 2 shootout losses. If we want to bring up the months of October, November, and December into the mix, fine but for the past 3 months the Rangers have played consistent hockey.

We can pretend the team's horrible start doomed them for the whole year but it's not true. The team is playing consistent hockey, unless you have another definition of consistent.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think you're underselling a lot of these players. We've gotten a ton of good players through the draft, and the best team we've had in 20 years was filled with homegrown players.

Yeah, but how many of those players were drafted in later rounds? I'm all for trading 1st round picks if the return is good enough. Tavares, Stamkos or Toews for instance, would be worth more than 4 1st round picks, unless they're top5 picks.

Yeah, draft picks are always a gamble, even first round picks. That said, if you have zero first round draft picks, the probability of drafting a good player in the first round is zero. And 2015 is considered to be one of the best draft classes in a long time.

And we do not have St Louis for four years, we have him signed for this year and next, that's it.

2015 might be the best draft class, but that amazing talent is always gone after 10 picks.

Also, St. Louis wanted to be traded to NYR, so I wouldn't count out him re-signing with us

 

[aufheben]

How many wins have the Rangers had since January? By my count it's 22 wins, 11 losses, and 2 shootout losses. If we want to bring up the months of October, November, and December into the mix, fine but for the past 3 months the Rangers have played consistent hockey.

We can pretend the team's horrible start doomed them for the whole year but it's not true. The team is playing consistent hockey, unless you have another definition of consistent.

What does this have to do with consistency?

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

A good team's hope should not rest on the goalie being on all cylinders. If Henke is all world, then yes, the team can steal games from anyone. But what if the other goalie is just as hot?

Every team hopes rest on a goalie being on all cylinders. What if Rask isn't on all cylinders? Do you think the Bruins could win a Cup in that scenario?

Hank is all world so the team can steal games. What if the other goalie is hot too? Well, it will help to counter that with I.....don't......know..having a team the runs 3 lines that have Nash, St. Louis, and Zuccerello playing separately. Will that hurt the Rangers chances?

What's tomorrow's argument against the trade TB? Maybe, it will be the other teams play on better ice surfaces at home. How dare the Rangers make a trade when they play on such bad ice!

 

[Trxjw]

Thank you. What team are people talking about when they say there are no young players?

4 players 30 or over. 4. That is worth repeating.

Who said that? TB said "we do not have an abundance of very good young players" and he was countered with "we have young players, and a couple of them are good."

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

What does this have to do with consistency?

Hmmmm I wonder......Maybe it's that the Rangers are playing something called consistent hockey. A FACT I can backup with their record since January 3rd, a record that is 11 games over 500. I mean is that not consistent hockey?

What should the Rangers record be in those 35 games for you to call the team consistent? 35-0-0, no you don't seem like you want it to be unfair. So I'll guess if the Rangers were 33-1-1 you would say they are being consistent. Perhaps, I'll just ask you want you think the Rangers record should be for your to label the team as being consistent?