Sebastian Aho (CAR) a future HOF’er… or nah?

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Edit: What about Kopitar as a comparison? Aho's arguably a more dependable scorer though Kopitar's prime was in the lower scoring 2010's and Kopi's got the Selke stuff covered quite well.

Kopitar won two cups, won two selkes, two lady byngs and and has captained his team. Not to mention his impressive durability/longevity at 37

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I'd say he's in the Giroux tier; right on the edge, but I hope both get in as a fan.

I think both will get in as long as Aho continues to be good for the next half of his career.

Giroux will be in

 

[Toby91ca]

From what I could gather, Sebastian Aho got exactly ONE vote so far in his career -- a 3rd place vote -- for the year-end all-star team.

For the record, Mats Sundin, who is sometimes perceived as someone who compiled his way to the HHOF because he played most of his career for the Maple Leafs, got 96 of these, and he played his career when there were less voters.

Yes, so far, Aho has had a single end of season, 3rd place vote. In terms of Mullen getting in (as noted earlier), he had 51-3rd place votes, 30-2nd place votes and 48-1st place votes. Aho's top offensive season so far was a 17th place finish. Mullen played in a higher scoring era, so his 51 goal season, 500+ goals, 1,000+ pts and PPG pace aren't that impressive, but he did finish 7th in scoring one year.

For Aho, I won't say no, because he is still young enough that he could accomplish a bunch of things still, but it's a longshot in my mind. I certainly take his PPG pace now and extend it out 7-8 years as it will surely come down as he gets older.

I really don't think there is much point in talking about him at all in terms of HOF at this point. He's compiled a bit where he's no say far behind the 8-ball, but not enough where it warrants discussion.

 

[Kegs]

Is Matt’s Sundin in the hall of fame?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yes, so far, Aho has had a single end of season, 3rd place vote. In terms of Mullen getting in (as noted earlier), he had 51-3rd place votes, 30-2nd place votes and 48-1st place votes.

Mullen got those votes at RW during a meh era for RWs. It was basically Bossy and Kurri jockeying for #1 and then a big drop to guys like Tim Kerr and Mike Gartner.

If Mullen were up for the center position in the 2020s, on a 5 player ballot I doubt very much that he’d have stolen votes from McDavid/MacKinnon/Matthews/Draisaitl plus Barkov or Eichel or Hughes depending on who’s hottest that year.

To your point, though, about Mullen’s peak season — Aho really hasn’t had that year where he’s on some high flying line that puts up crazy numbers. Mullen’s biggest season was almost 20 points higher than his second-best, and involved a ridiculously stacked Presidents+Cup team. Then he went from that stacked Calgary team to an even more stacked Pittsburgh team, one of the best offensive teams in history. That’s the Mullen that stuck in a lot of people’s minds, rather than the guy who otherwise had pedestrian numbers and little hardware for a HHOF’er. Aho’s case would be hugely enhanced by a season like that, even just a single season.

 

[MXD]

Is Matt’s Sundin in the hall of fame?

Yes he is.
But he's generally perceived as a third quartile HHOFer amongst rational observers, and he's of the all prime and no peak to speak of variety. And he was also significantly better vs his peers than Aho is at same age.

Yes, so far, Aho has had a single end of season, 3rd place vote. In terms of Mullen getting in (as noted earlier), he had 51-3rd place votes, 30-2nd place votes and 48-1st place votes. Aho's top offensive season so far was a 17th place finish. Mullen played in a higher scoring era, so his 51 goal season, 500+ goals, 1,000+ pts and PPG pace aren't that impressive, but he did finish 7th in scoring one year.

For Aho, I won't say no, because he is still young enough that he could accomplish a bunch of things still, but it's a longshot in my mind. I certainly take his PPG pace now and extend it out 7-8 years as it will surely come down as he gets older.

I really don't think there is much point in talking about him at all in terms of HOF at this point. He's compiled a bit where he's no say far behind the 8-ball, but not enough where it warrants discussion.

RW is generally an easier position to get support for (hence why I used the Sundin comparable).

Also, Joe Mullen is considered to be one of the weakest HHOFers whose case is a bit circumstancial (at lot of it rests on him being the first American to reach 500 goals) and is absolutely not the standard a candidate has to meet.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Lots of hockey left to play. Right now, he’s in the Hall of the Very Good. It depends on what he does with what’s left. He’s got a shot.

 

[Kuljeskelen]

Ehhh? Probable Carolina jersey retirer if he plays his contract there, unless he starts shitting gold.

 

[crowi]

Needs 1000+ points and a Cup. Until he has those, it's not worth speculating. He's a great player obviously, but needs more results.

 

[SEALBound]

This. If Aho gets in it will be because he compiled a bunch of points over a long career.

I would agree but also say, if that's going to be the case, he better get going.