Sebastian Aho (CAR) a future HOF’er… or nah?

[S1N4TR4]

thru 642 career games, he has 601 points.

let’s say he plays 600 more games (roughly 7 more seasons… he’ll be nearing 35 years old).. if he continues at his current PPG pace, he’s looking at around 1,200 career points, which would surpass ron francis for most points in Hurricanes history by an individual.

70 career playoff points in 74 games, that’s stellar.

has yet to win a cup or any major awards though.

I know there’s a lot of ‘IF’s’ but… what are your thoughts on the Finnish forward making the hall of fame someday? what would it take for him to secure a spot in the HOF? he’s certainly not a lock just yet, right?

not a hurricanes fan in particular, just was curious what your guys’ opinions/thoughts are.

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[zizbuka]

I'd say he's in the Giroux tier; right on the edge, but I hope both get in as a fan.

 

[jetsforever]

It's possible but a lot more needs to happen first

 

[S1N4TR4]

It's possible but a lot more needs to happen first

what needs to happen in your opinion?

 

[thebestnic]

what needs to happen in your opinion?

A cup and a Smythe would do it for me

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Hall of Very Good

 

[Fantomas]

Doesn't need a cup. Doesn't need a Smythe. Plenty of guys in the HHOF have neither.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Intangibles are for Canadian boys who play the game the right way (TM).

 

[tarheelhockey]

Doesn't need a cup. Doesn't need a Smythe. Plenty of guys in the HHOF have neither.

This. If Aho gets in it will be because he compiled a bunch of points over a long career.

 

[snag]

Nope....but probably yup.

Standards have gone done but that I guess is the nature of the business.

 

[MasterofGrond]

sub-PPG guys are going to look a lot worse at the end of the period of high scoring.

No cups, no top 10 points finishes, no post-season all star team selections, no trophies of any kind.

There’s no chance he gets in unless something changes meaningfully. Giroux is not a good comparison (4x 10 top points, 3x top 3, 2nd team allstar)

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

He’s 27 lol, this is a thread for 3-4 years from now, not right now

 

[tarheelhockey]

sub-PPG guys are going to look a lot worse at the end of the period of high scoring.

No cups, no top 10 points finishes, no post-season all star team selections, no trophies of any kind.

There’s no chance he gets in unless something changes meaningfully. Giroux is not a good comparison (4x 10 top points, 3x top 3, 2nd team allstar)

Joe Mullen is a HOF’er, the bar really isn’t that high.

Aho isn’t getting in on the strength of being a superstar, it will be about plugging away consistently for a long time.

 

[ESH]

I'd say he's in the Giroux tier; right on the edge, but I hope both get in as a fan.

Giroux has way better Hart and All-Star voting finishes

 

[zizbuka]

A cup and a Smythe would do it for me

I hate the whole "he needs a cup" to get in the HOF, it's silly. It's like saying "he needs a team accomplishment to receive an individual honor".

 

[jetsforever]

what needs to happen in your opinion?

A Cup, individual awards, and/or continued excellence for a long time

 

[Coffee]

He’s 27 lol, this is a thread for 3-4 years from now, not right now

If there’s a thread like this about him at age 27, things are definitely trending towards a half of fame career

 

[Dust]

Nope from me. Needs to compile a lot more on the tail end of his career.

 

[Staniowski]

He's a good player, but it likely will need to be based on career points. Probably 1000 points won't even be enough, but if he gets to 1200 or more, then he'll have a decent chance.

 

[MXD]

From what I could gather, Sebastian Aho got exactly ONE vote so far in his career -- a 3rd place vote -- for the year-end all-star team.

For the record, Mats Sundin, who is sometimes perceived as someone who compiled his way to the HHOF because he played most of his career for the Maple Leafs, got 96 of these, and he played his career when there were less voters.

Also for the record, David Krejci, who will absolutely not make the Hockey Hall of Fame and who also wasn't the best centerman on his team, making these votes harder to obtain, and who didn't have a spike season to make him look better than he was under that metric, tallied 3 votes during his career.

Some people mentionned Giroux as comparable. They aren't even remotely close. Giroux has three Top-5 Hart finishes (3rd, 4th, 4th). I can't think of a player who has three of these who isn't in the Hall of Fame, and I'm not even certain he makes it despite this. Aho finished once 10th, and that finish doesn't really pass the smell test because that 2nd place vote doesn't make any sense in a season where a strictly better 2-way player made Evgeni Dadonov a 70-pts player (and where there was a few 110+ pts player).

 

[wetcoast]

It's possible but a lot more needs to happen first

I thought this after the 18-19 seasons, he was 21 and had a pretty strong playoffs and was coming off a 83 pint season but then he simply didn't get any better.

He is kinda like a finnish version of Mat Sundin but a little less so and I doubt he makes the HHOF at this point.

 

[JadedRandom]

I think Aho is another one of those types of players that's bound for the "Hall of Very Good", but just misses the HHOF by a small margin ultimately.

But if Aho wins a cup with the Hurricanes while also being a key part of that run, the calculus could change.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

I think Aho will have to have a long career where he is productive in the later years to get a Mark Recchi style induction

 

[Greatzsky 99]

For now I would say no, but when i looked at the list of HHOF... in 1963 23 people were inducted..
My thought was, make it over again, do a new list, one for players, women, other people etc
To be on that list you should be known by followers of Hockey, have some fame among them, i guarantee that a lot of people on that list nobody today hasnt even heard of.

here is a sample

D Canada C–LW Canada RW Canada LW Canada RW Canada C–D Canada F Canada G Canada F Canada G Canada D–LW Canada C Canada D–R–RW Canada C Canada D Canada D Canada D Canada D–RW Canada C Canada C Canada G–R Canada R Canada D Canada 1964 LW Canada G Canada D–LW Canada D Canada 1965 C Canada G Canada F Canada D Canada D–LW Canada C–D Canada RW Canada [th] Harry Cameron​ [/th]​ [th] Rusty Crawford​ [/th]​ [th] Jack Darragh​ [/th]​ [th] Jimmy Gardner​ [/th]​ [th] Billy Gilmour​ [/th]​ [th] Ebbie Goodfellow​ [/th]​ [th] Shorty Green​ [/th]​ [th] Riley Hern​ [/th]​ [th] Tom Hooper​ [/th]​ [th] Bouse Hutton​ [/th]​ [th] Jack Laviolette​ [/th]​ [th] Billy McGimsie​ [/th]​ [th] Didier Pitre​ [/th]​ [th] Joe Primeau​ [/th]​ [th] Jack Ruttan​ [/th]​ [th] Earl Seibert​ [/th]​ [th] Bullet Joe Simpson​ [/th]​ [th] Barney Stanley​ [/th]​ [th] Marty Walsh​ [/th]​ [th] Harry E. Watson​ [/th]​ [th] Rat Westwick​ [/th]​ [th] Frederick Whitcroft​ [/th]​ [th] Phat Wilson​ [/th]​ [th] Doug Bentley​ [/th]​ [th] Bill Durnan​ [/th]​ [th] Babe Siebert​ [/th]​ [th] Black Jack Stewart​ [/th]​ [th] Marty Barry​ [/th]​ [th] Clint Benedict​ [/th]​ [th] Arthur Farrell​ [/th]​ [th] Red Horner​ [/th]​ [th] Syd Howe​ [/th]​ [th] Jack Marshall​ [/th]​ [th] Bill Mosienko​ [/th]​

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[Regal]

He’s the level of player where it would take either the Canes becoming a mini-dynasty with him being great in the playoffs, or some really high career totals.