Value of: Seattle's 2025 1st Rd. Pick

[majormajor]

So you need a LD and offense, and want a certain age…we need a center and have offense coming up…

Byram and Peterka

Beniers

Even out as necessary

I would have thought the deal would be closer to even with Peterka for Beniers straight up.

But if Seattle can add to also get Byram - a 24 year old who isn't very effective now but is in their age target - then that would make sense. Though I don't think he's worth close to the #7 pick.

 

[ole ole]

Forget the 6th-7th overall pick, but what realistically is the asking price for Matheson this off-Season?

Pick 16 plus pick 17 plus Matheson for the 6-7th We'll throw in Roy as the prospect.

 

[malcb33]

That's why it was in "quotes". He is not really expandable. But LD is a position of strenght.
You have options to fill the position in the short/medium term. (Matheson, Strubble, Engstrom)

The coach also doesn't want tweeners at the 2C position, but here we are.

If you can get Desnoyers for Guhle, you think about it.

1BC > 3-4LD

+ you have defensive RDs to pair Hutson & Matheson with in Carrier & Reinbacher.
+ You can draft a #3-4 LD at 16-17 (Aitcheson ?)

While I follow your logic here, I think you aren't considering the club's current direction. Yes, they have a large hole at 2C, but let's be real here, as good as Desnoyers is, it's unlikely he's ready to be a 2C on a competitive team next year.

Regardless of the organizational strength at LHD, no one is ready to step in and take the hard defensive minutes Ghule plays, so trading Ghule to draft Desnoyers and another LHD, only pushes back the team's competitive window and doesn't take advantage of the contract structure they're built over the next few years.

A 2C that matches the salary structure and competitive window of the team won't be easy or cheap, but I think you have to explore all options before deciding to trading a young, core player for picks.

 

[Chose]

While I follow your logic here, I think you aren't considering the club's current direction. Yes, they have a large hole at 2C, but let's be real here, as good as Desnoyers is, it's unlikely he's ready to be a 2C on a competitive team next year.

Regardless of the organizational strength at LHD, no one is ready to step in and take the hard defensive minutes Ghule plays, so trading Ghule to draft Desnoyers and another LHD, only pushes back the team's competitive window and doesn't take advantage of the contract structure they're built over the next few years.

A 2C that matches the salary structure and competitive window of the team won't be easy or cheap, but I think you have to explore all options before deciding to trading a young, core player for picks.

I understand this as well, but the club's direction is and always was to build a contender for years.
Let's not be clouded by the surprise success this year, this was not part of the plan.

But of course, you can always try to sign an O'Reilly for two years while Desnoyers develops. I never said he'd be ready now. But he would fix the position for a long time.

And let's not act like Matheson was not already eating those minutes. He is not as bad defensively as people make it out to be. The guy is playing PK1 and is always on the ice.

He is not perfect. Nor is he paid like a perfect player. But he is an excellent stop gap to allow us to trade Guhle for an elite 2C in 2y.
+Reinbacher will probably be replacing those hard to play defensive minutes, but on the right side, for a better match with our LH PMDs.
+ The team was on its best stretch while Guhle was injured after the 4Nations break.

The question is the following: Do you want to be still good in 3 years, or do you want to be contending at that time.

 

[Fatass]

Pick 16 plus pick 17 plus Matheson for the 6-7th We'll throw in Roy as the prospect.

Imo Seattle would jump on that. It’s a weak (flat) draft. Very good chance picks 16 and 17 are more likely to produce a good player than 7.

 

[Bizz]

Sharks could give you Mukhmadullin or Cagnoni and Dallas's 1st (mid 20's) for 6th OA.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Sharks could give you Mukhmadullin or Cagnoni and Dallas's 1st (mid 20's) for 6th OA.

Cmon Seattle would laugh and block Grier's number

 

[Bizz]

Cmon Seattle would laugh and block Grier's number

Op stated a preference for someone young. I would think they'd have more value than, let's say, Ferraro.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Op stated a preference for someone young. I would think they'd have more value than, let's say, Ferraro.

Sure, but no where near the value to move up 20 spots into the top-10 of a draft

 

[Bizz]

Sure, but no where near the value to move up 20 spots into the top-10 of a draft

Oh for sure, can add whatever else to even the value out.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

Op stated a preference for someone young. I would think they'd have more value than, let's say, Ferraro.

I'm looking for an established top-4 defensive defenseman who would be an upgrade over Oleksiak. It's a tall order, I know, but maybe a team is rebuilding or needs to make tough salary choices this off-season.

Romanov was interesting but one NYI fan said yes and one said no.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

Imo Seattle would jump on that. It’s a weak (flat) draft. Very good chance picks 16 and 17 are more likely to produce a good player than 7.

Yeah, if I'm going by all the published rankings out there, there are definitely players I like that'll still be there at 16 and 17.

 

[majormajor]

I'm looking for an established top-4 defensive defenseman who would be an upgrade over Oleksiak. It's a tall order, I know, but maybe a team is rebuilding or needs to make tough salary choices this off-season.

For the #6/7 pick I don't think that is a tall order. The ask should be players with top pair upside only, or we simply keep the pick.

 

[captainpaxil]

Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel like this year’s draft is a weaker one. I don’t think a 7th overall pick is worth a young potential top pairing defenseman.

Cam York was mentioned earlier. I think that's about right. I'd only do the deal if McQueen dropped

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Kandre Miller

 

[Coach Parker]

I'm looking for an established top-4 defensive defenseman who would be an upgrade over Oleksiak. It's a tall order, I know, but maybe a team is rebuilding or needs to make tough salary choices this off-season.

Romanov was interesting but one NYI fan said yes and one said no.

What about something around Lohrei?

 

[majormajor]

Cam York was mentioned earlier. I think that's about right. I'd only do the deal if McQueen dropped

A #6/7 OA pick for Cam York? The occasionally scratched middling Flyers D-man?

What about something around Lohrei?

Lohrei seems to have good upside still, but after his -43 season I would prefer the Kraken to not spend a #6/7 pick on him. That's an overpay. Still it's at least plausible as a move the Kraken brass would do, if they insist on spending picks to get more ready players. But then why are the Bruins trading 24 year olds for draft picks, is there any purpose to it other than ripping off the Kraken?

 

[lanceuppercut75]

People mentioning York or Lohrei... Seattle would be crazy to do that instead of drafting Mrtka or Smith or Aitcheson. These D-men being offered aren't on the level to get Seattle to care.

 

[tomd]

People mentioning York or Lohrei... Seattle would be crazy to do that instead of drafting Mrtka or Smith or Aitcheson. These D-men being offered aren't on the level to get Seattle to care.

It's the HF motto: "my trash for your treasure"

 

[Hull2Roenick2Kane]

That makes zero sense for Seattle. If they're going to get someone that needs a lot of development time and isn't a sure bet, they might as well pick their favorite one of those from the draft. That and I prefer Jackson Smith.

I think you Kraken fans are underestimating the "Seattle Kraken" factor. Just look at Kappo Kakko. The instant a potential bust goes to your team, instant all star.

 

[Coach Parker]

A #6/7 OA pick for Cam York? The occasionally scratched middling Flyers D-man?



Lohrei seems to have good upside still, but after his -43 season I would prefer the Kraken to not spend a #6/7 pick on him. That's an overpay. Still it's at least plausible as a move the Kraken brass would do, if they insist on spending picks to get more ready players. But then why are the Bruins trading 24 year olds for draft picks, is there any purpose to it other than ripping off the Kraken?

To be honest, this happened 10 years ago when Sweeney took over and he offloaded players to draft 3 times in the 1st round...and struck out badly.

Just going on past history, they could decide that they really like two centers in this draft and they want to try and get both for the rebuild.

I think there may be better offers for that pick than Lohrei but also this time next year the trade may look like a fair one when Mason is correctly slotted in the lineup.

He was thrown into the top pairing as a rookie when Lindholm and McAvoy went down for the year and the numbers reflected that when the two of the best three defensive forwards (Coyle and Marchand) were also shipped out. Didn't help that his goalie had his worst year in his career either.

Cheers!

 

[Kraken Jokes]

In the least-likely, worst case scenario, this pick is #8 overall.