I understand your point. This is just a business decision. Brown and the term "Earn" shouldn't hold any weight. That line of thinking is what got us to DFL the last couple years. No, I'm good with not protecting Brown.
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I understand your point. This is just a business decision. Brown and the term "Earn" shouldn't hold any weight. That line of thinking is what got us to DFL the last couple years. No, I'm good with not protecting Brown.
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That would not be a wise move. With the team moving forward, there is no time to be sentimental about this, whether he's earned it or not. He was left unprotected in the last expansion draft, and he will be in the next one too.
The best way to handle this is to trade a mid-level draft pick to Seattle in exchange for its agreement to not take certain players or to draft a particular player.
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Right now, I don't believe we are at risk of losing anyone that's worth more than a mid-level pick.
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If Clague is any good at all I'd protect him and expose one of Walker or Roy knowing we'd lose them or Frk and be confident that the glut of younger players with higher ceilings would make me forget all about them in a season or less.
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If Clague is progressing, why not protect Doughty, Roy, Walker and Clague, going with an 8/1 protected list. Then you protect Kopitar, Iafall0, Kempe and Grundstrom. I can't see any scenario where they expose Roy at this point.
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Back in January Mayor put together a article and list of players regarding the upcoming expansion draft,those intrested please look it over.Note some players on this list are no longer with the team.
How Seattle Expansion Draft Plays into Upcoming Kings Trades
Current NHL Players requiring protection: [forwards] Jonny Brodzinski, Dustin Brown, Kyle Clifford, Alex Iafallo, Adrian Kempe, Anze Kopitar, Matt Luff, Tyler Toffoli, [defensemen] Drew Doughty, Derek Forbort, etc.
Current AHL Players requiring protection: [forwards] Mike Amadio, Mikey Eyssimont, Carl Grundstrom, Sheldon Rempal, Austin Wagner, [defensemen] Daniel Brickley, Kale Clague, Matt Roy, Sean Walker, etc.
List of exempt players includes names such as: [forwards] Jaret-Anderson Dolan, Rasmus Kupari, Akil Thomas, Gabe Vilardi, [defensemen] Mikey Anderson, Sean Durzi, Cole Hults, Markus Phillips, etc.
How Seattle Expansion Draft Plays into Upcoming Kings Trades
Current NHL Players requiring protection: [forwards] Jonny Brodzinski, Dustin Brown, Kyle Clifford, Alex Iafallo, Adrian Kempe, Anze Kopitar, Matt Luff, Tyler Toffoli, [defensemen] Drew Doughty, Derek Forbort, etc.
Current AHL Players requiring protection: [forwards] Mike Amadio, Mikey Eyssimont, Carl Grundstrom, Sheldon Rempal, Austin Wagner, [defensemen] Daniel Brickley, Kale Clague, Matt Roy, Sean Walker, etc.
List of exempt players includes names such as: [forwards] Jaret-Anderson Dolan, Rasmus Kupari, Akil Thomas, Gabe Vilardi, [defensemen] Mikey Anderson, Sean Durzi, Cole Hults, Markus Phillips, etc.
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regulate
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That article is 15 months old, it's irrelevant at this point.
Go here. Seattle Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Click on LA. It will show you who is exempt and who isn't and you can make your own lists.
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Expose Roy?
How are some of you still sleeping on him?
I got news for you, Matt Roy is one hell of a player right now, and do not be surprised if he is a perennial plus minus leader not just on his team, but league wide in two years.
He has every tool, and you can watch him learning on the ice every shift. He is a steady, patient kid who is just now starting to feel confident enough to move out of the safety first mold and exert himself.
He is positionally sound, has a low, heavy shot, makes such smart reads with and without the puck in his zone and is asserting himself physically.
He is a very good position to maximize his ability with this team. Some guys are unfortunate in that they have all the tools but emerge into the league in the wrong set of circumstances. Roy has stars aligned for him: a trusted role in his rookie year on a team that can afford growing pains, a plethora of safe but talented left shot potential partners on the horizon, and a team that will be on the rise in just another 18 months. He will have plenty of experience at that point, and the tone around the team will be very, very positive.
If Roy continues on this pace, there is a chance, if he decides to take it, that he could be a Giordano-level defenseman. He really is that good. He just needs to keep pushing himself and not settle into a comfort zone. I have been watching him closely over the past couple of years and he does have a real edge to him, and I think he will keep on pushing. His individual development has been the single best part of this season.
I rarely agree with you lol, but he’s won me over and there no f***en way he should be expose... The kid is tough, defensively sound and physical which we sorely need...
If anything, I think we might package JAD, Clague and someone else to get a nice young player ...
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But you can protect all 3. I think it's a better bet to say Amadio, Wagner, and Frk are more expendable given the amount of high ceiling forward prospects in the pipeline. Roy and Walker are a little more important to have around in terms of bridging the gap to the next guys and would probably garner a better return on a trade when it comes time to open up space.
Its best to push them towards Quick. Protecting Clague leaves Wagner as the best skater available. Seattle then have the choice between a 4th liner or a potential 1A Goalie.
It will come down to who they want to keep more after next years season, Clague or Wagner. If its Wagner then you can protect another 2 forwards.
It will come down to who they want to keep more after next years season, Clague or Wagner. If its Wagner then you can protect another 2 forwards.
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Granted the article is old,but the same players that are still on this team,status hasnt changed,but thank you for this link.
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Sure but there's like 4 guys that aren't in the organization anymore and more that are RFA at the end of the season.
As for the Roy/Walker/Clague conundrum... you have to lose SOMEONE.
If Clague displays any kind of aptitude at playing in the NHL between now and the summer of 2021 then yea I would tend towards keeping him over both Walker or Roy just based on age.
My assumption is that they'll expose Carter, Brown & Quick to meet the requirements for those positions without worrying about losing any of them.
They have to expose at least ONE defenseman that is under contract in 2021-22 (OR is an RFA) AND that has played 40 games in the previous season or 70 the past 2 seasons.
EDIT : Currently the Kings have TWO players on defense that meet that criteria. Doughty and Roy. MacDermid and Walker are RFA this summer and may or may not be gone. Clague may or may not play 40 games next season.
At some point between now and the summer of 2021 the Kings are going to have to sign, re-sign or acquire via trade at least one defenseman to expose to Seattle that meet those criteria.
There's no magic trick where the Kings wind up not losing a bonafide NHL player.
HENCE... Walker, Roy or Clague UNLESS the roster changes between now and the expansion draft.
Which, of course, it will. Making most every conversation about the outcome completely hypothetical and mostly useless.
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The Kings are probably in a better spot than just about anyone in the entire league as far as not losing a decent player. Finally found a benefit to having almost no talent between 22 and 26.
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Lets just put it this way, the Kings will have a hard time identifying forwards worthy of being protected
Agreed. Roy has been amazing since the ASG. If Blake were smart he should lock him up long term now. Something like 6 years 20m
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There are so many ways to fulfill that requirement that cost less than exposing Walker or Roy. MacDermid's played 41 games this season, Ryan's played 35. Re-sign one of them and play them enough of the next 96 games to get to 70 and we're good. Or re-sign Hutton. Or sign any veteran D. Or acquire a cap dump.
Blake has to do one and probably two of those anyway just for the sake of depth next season. We need 7+ Dmen. Doughty, Walker, Roy, even if Clague, Bjornfot, and Anderson are up all season (which I think most people will agree is far too green of a blue line) that's only 6. Preferably we'd have another every night Vet so we're not playing 3 rookies. Injuries are inevitable, the rookies will all get plenty of opportunity, and they'll all be waivers exempt. Then we probably want a guy like Ryan who can sit in the press box most nights and no harms done.
Its not a magic trick, we just don't have very many players in that vulnerable age/experience range. If we trade for, or sign someone in the next 15 months that we'll want to protect...that will certainly change the conversation, but as of right now there's no reason to expose Walker, Roy, or Clague.
That's exactly it, all those 1sts we traded would be players that would need to be protected.
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You're all absolutely correct.
If (when) the Kings acquire other players to expose to Seattle AND Seattle chooses to take them... then it'll all be wine and roses in LA.
Since they haven't yet done that... and we're having this conversation now... I'm going to talk about the actual players under contract.
If we're trying to strategize based on what the roster will actually look like in 15 months...
then we're not really having this conversation are we?
If (when) the Kings acquire other players to expose to Seattle AND Seattle chooses to take them... then it'll all be wine and roses in LA.
Since they haven't yet done that... and we're having this conversation now... I'm going to talk about the actual players under contract.
If we're trying to strategize based on what the roster will actually look like in 15 months...
then we're not really having this conversation are we?
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As it stands right now the Kings will have to sign a UFA Dman which is what they're looking at doing and likely exposing him to Seattle...
Doughty, Roy, Walker are protected as of right now...
Anderson, Bjornfot are exempt while Clague and Brickley would need protection..
I'd bet on us moving/creating a package around Clague, JAD and a roster player to get a youngish players ala Kapanen or maybe make a play with the TBL for one of their forwards? They'll be needing the cap space really soon and will also need to plan for the expansion draft
Doughty, Roy, Walker are protected as of right now...
Anderson, Bjornfot are exempt while Clague and Brickley would need protection..
I'd bet on us moving/creating a package around Clague, JAD and a roster player to get a youngish players ala Kapanen or maybe make a play with the TBL for one of their forwards? They'll be needing the cap space really soon and will also need to plan for the expansion draft
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I think we're having different conversations, because strategizing what the roster will look like in 15 months is a pretty important part of predicting who we will protect in 15 months. As it stands, very unlikely we expose Walker or Roy.
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At the beginning of the season, in my eyes Walker ways ahead of Roy in ability. After the last couple of months you've seen Walker slow down while Roy actually getting better as the season goes on. I don't know if I value Roy more than Walker still, but Roy has made the decision tougher. We have to look at it from a Seattle perspective and who would they most likely take?
I'd still lean toward Clague because he's got the highest potential out of the 3. It will essential come down to which players do you value more? Do you value those 3 defenseman over some of the forwards. Like do you value Kale Clague, Sean Walker, Matt Roy over Lizotte, Wagner, and Grundstrom?
I'd still lean toward Clague because he's got the highest potential out of the 3. It will essential come down to which players do you value more? Do you value those 3 defenseman over some of the forwards. Like do you value Kale Clague, Sean Walker, Matt Roy over Lizotte, Wagner, and Grundstrom?
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Right, but Grundstrom's probably protected regardless, and I'm pretty sure CapFriendly is wrong and Lizotte is exempt. So the question is do you value Clague, Walker, and Roy over Wagner, Amadio, and Eyssimont?
