Catanddogguitarrr
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Plus that would increase his value at tdl. Playing wing he can take face offs, no problemo.
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So dead last two seasons ago and 5th from the bottom last year. The addition of RHP and Dvo in the top six is all of a sudden going to make us competitive. Typical Montreal Fan falling in love with lesser players. MSL may decide he liked how last season started and will try to replicate it.
We will never get out of the bottom of the bubble if we don't get some serious upgrades for our top six. The whole idea of rebuilding is to create a far better foundation than the one we had. We are not even close to that yet.
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I was discussing whether or not we have wingers to play with Suzuki and Dach, not how competitive we'll be.
Be careful about false claims and accusations by putting words into peoples' mouths
We don't that is my point. Those are not top six calibre players. Do we have enough warm bodies yes we do. I get that you don't like the idea of stacking one line. I don't like the idea of having talent play with scrubs. That is not ideal development IMO.I was discussing whether or not we have wingers to play with Suzuki and Dach, not how competitive we'll be.
Be careful about false claims putting words into peoples' mouths
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26Mats
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I don't mind playing talent with talent.
I just don't see Caufield, Dvo, RHP, Anderson, and Slaf as scrubs. That's 5 of our top 9 wingers. I'd like to see us add one more top 9 winger this offseason, or play Heineman at wing in the top 9. No more Gallagher, Hoffman, or Armia.
All three of those players are third liners at best on a good team. When I say scrubs I'm simply referring to players who can't convert opportunities or make plays consistently causing turnovers. So it gets very frustrating when Dach does something spectacular only to have it fizzle out because of the talent level of his wingers. The same applies to Suzuki and Caufield they were shown to have much better production with a higher talent level on their line. It's only natural teams can't focus solely on the duo. Don't get me wrong I do like aspects of both Anderson and RHP's game,Dvo not so much. But having these guys playing with our top talent is why we have problems to begin with.
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Fair enough.
We know Anderson vastly improved over the course of last season after RHP was called up. Can he keep it up? We'll see. He was scoring at a pace of 30 goals and 50+ points.
In Dvo's first year with us, he scored at a pace of 48 points over 82 games. I think he could be a good complementary winger to offensive players, like a Michael Bunting, though they are different players. Dvo just can't lead a line at C.
We'll see about RHP. Killer small sample size. Now we see what he can do from start to finish.
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Ok but
What the **** do we want a guy who the only reason he's worth any damn at all IS his one of the best in NHL face off prowess... playing on the wing?
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There is no advantage if the only thing he does well is winning FO. We have young wingers to developp and Dvo is far from good as creating offensive plays and line chemistry. He skates too slow, the wingers are in a no man land with him. At least the few games Mo will play will help the youngs.
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It's always a matter of being in the right chair. Next season there is no way we make the PO. It will be a transitory year and the next one too. The 4rd line doesn't have enough spots for all the crap we don't like. We have to scr*w up our line up a bit and insert one or two of Hoff, Gally and Dvo on the top 9. Is it the best situation? Hell no! But that's a compromise. As long as few future good wingers gets quality centers or duo to learn in the nhl level. I would give the 4th line C to a young one . Let's developp and in the same time not getting destroyed all the games. We can pick 10 next year.
Of couse having Dubois would help to accelerate the rebuilt significantly.
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He scored at a pace of 48 points over 82 games in his first year with us.
He has much more to offer than faceoffs. He's just not dynamic enough to cover the ice well enough to be a 3c, after the faceoff has occurred.
How is playing Dach with Suzuki and Caufield developing players one at a time? Once again the team had it's best success last season with that configuration. The coach knows this and may revert to it. Dach having great success on the wing will only make him a better and more versatile player.
He's still a kid and doesn't have to play C this season to develop. Having him play with talent shift in and shift out including the PP is the better option long term. Do you honestly believe Dach will have more success at C unless we acquire more talent because I sure as heck don't. The other option is to give him Caufield but that leaves him exactly where Suzuki is right now missing a proper winger.
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He's ok in the corners, not excellent but ok. Playing wing is less hockey IQ. In the last 2 years he proved he was a bad center, his +- is negative and not much goals and assits. He doesn't seem happy here and I feel he will not help kids to developp at all. For all these reasons I would like him more at wing and take lots of FO. But hey, I'm repying with someone who agrees with me on this, lol.
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I get your po
I get your idea but maybe you under-estimate the wingers we have outside of Caufield. Dach could survive playing with RHP and Hoffmann. Anderson can play with Suzuki-Caufield. Monahan will be there a part of the season before getting injured again. Maybe Dubois will be there so Dach will not be exactly alone. And who knows if Ylonen and Heineman are surprisingly good?
They are trying to plug a hole while creating a worse one which won't happen. One of two thing will happen Monahan goes to the wing or Dach does.
I'd prefer Dach for the reasons I've already stated.
I don't underestimate our wingers they are near the very bottom of the NHL in the chairs they occupy. We can't just sprinkle fairy dust on them and suddenly be good. I thought this was obvious my bad.
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For sure we have 4 overpaid vets that we're f***n stocked with for nx 2 years. The line-up can't hide all of them.
edit, last year runner had a funny meme MSL polishing the turds, it made me laught, the cartoon image tells about the reality
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I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what Hughes has in store.
I don't think Dvo at 4.5M has much value to contenders. But like Eddie, maybe at 50% retained. Can Hughes get another 1st by trading one of those players to a contender, and taking back a little salary?
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Dvorak has 2 years left on his deal. I don't think he will be traded until that 2nd year.
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Riveted by the hype train that is this time of year. It’s engrossing!
Haven’t seen you post in a while — is everything ok?
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Same here I can't wait to see what happens at the draft. I'm doing great just been enjoying the summer and spending time with my granddaughter. I kinda tuned out of hockey after the season ended. Now things are getting exciting again.
