Prospect Info: Sean Farrell, C/LW, 124th Overall

[themilosh]

he's been kept off the score sheet only 4 times in the last 24 games
This is insane. I hope he makes it. Any chances?

I have no interest in how Farrel performs. The CH has no room for a midget sized point producer: we already have it with CC and Hutson. 2 max, that is it. Once Gally is sent to pasture, we should have a team ready to compete.

If Farrel is legit, then trade him fir what we need. No team (ever) is going to contend with more than two players under 6'0"

Stop this insanity. Every prospect we currently have (under 6'0") must be traded for equal assets..

This includes: Farrel, Mesar et al. There is no room for these guys.

 

[ExReHabs]

I have no interest in how Farrel performs. The CH has no room for a midget sized point producer: we already have it with CC and Hutson. 2 max, that is it. Once Gally is sent to pasture, we should have a team ready to compete.

If Farrel is legit, then trade him fir what we need. No team (ever) is going to contend with more than two players under 6'0"

Stop this insanity. Every prospect we currently have (under 6'0") must be traded for equal assets..

This includes: Farrel, Mesar et al. There is no room for these guys.

If only the likes of Farrell and Mešar would produce points in the AHL but they don't even do that.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

If only the likes of Farrell and Mešar would produce points in the AHL but they don't even do that.

What do you mean for Farrell? He's been on fire since December

 

[Wateredgarden]

If only the likes of Farrell and Mešar would produce points in the AHL but they don't even do that.

Farrell is putting a lot of points right now, he had 3pts in his first 27 games and has 37pts in his last 34 games. that's the whole reason we're discussing his future here.

 

[ExReHabs]

What do you mean for Farrell? He's been on fire since December

Farrell is putting a lot of points right now, he had 3pts in his first 27 games and has 37pts in his last 34 games. that's the whole reason we're discussing his future here.

It is my conviction that small guys need to produce a lot in the AHL to have a chance of translating their scoring to the NHL. Even PPG isn't particularly impressive, and he's not PPG.

 

[Wateredgarden]

It is my conviction that small guys need to produce a lot in the AHL to have a chance of translating their scoring to the NHL. Even PPG isn't particularly impressive, and he's not PPG.

37pts in 34 games in 2025 is pretty good to me.

 

[ExReHabs]

37pts in 34 games in 2025 is pretty good to me.

Do games in Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec of 2024 not count?

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Do games in Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec of 2024 not count?

Your post needed better wording then. You grouped Mesar and him together when their production is trending in two complete directions. Also Farrell is pretty much playing his 2nd pro season, dunno what type of production you're expecting but the numbers you're talking about are what the vet AAAA guys are producing.

 

[Ezpz]

Do games in Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec of 2024 not count?

I mean you would more likely count the more recent games than previous ones when evaluating a prospect's growth. Especially since he's climbed back to outscore the rest of our prospects from such a terrible start.

Simoneau is the guy who probably shouldn't get another contract. Probably RHP too; using a vet slot on a guy who can't produce and is a year from UFA status without much chance of becoming an NHL regular doesn't make sense.

Gignac and ABB probably won't be back either so you need AHL vets and it's a lot safer to bet on a guy who's crushing it like Farrell than others.

He'll be 24 in November which is not an unheard of age for a late pick to put it together. Protas this year for example. Or Dorofeyev, Or Jackson Lacombe who, while a D, had a similar path to the NHL playing his full college career. Pospisil had an even worse statline in the AHL and made Calgary at 24 and is a decent bottom sixer.

Ylonen has 100+ games under his belt, is two years older, and is not producing as well as Farrell in the AHL this year.

This is Farrell's second pro season and he's better than he was last, while many of the vets have not found the same success after the coaching change.

 

[themilosh]

What do you mean for Farrell? He's been on fire since December

Being on "fire" is moot.. Farrel is another small forward.. we dont need these guys, like at all.. plain and simple, he only contributes to our asset value.

 

[Miller Time]

Being on "fire" is moot.. Farrel is another small forward.. we dont need these guys, like at all.. plain and simple, he only contributes to our asset value.

Craig Button is that you

Kidding aside, this kind of thinking is why the Flames let HOF MSL skip through their fingers.

Didn't want another small top 6 player with Bure/Savard/Stillman on the NHL roster and recent top 10 pick Fata at the top of their prospect pool.

For now he contributes to our organization depth. If & where he plays in the NHL will depend on who he beats out. Talent and execution, rather than size mix, is the first priority.

 

[Shutdown]

Your post needed better wording then. You grouped Mesar and him together when their production is trending in two complete directions. Also Farrell is pretty much playing his 2nd pro season, dunno what type of production you're expecting but the numbers you're talking about are what the vet AAAA guys are producing.

to put it into context, only 6 of the top 20 scorers in the AHL are PPG or above

there are only 29 players with .9 points per game or more, who have also played at least 40 games.

 

[ExReHabs]

I mean you would more likely count the more recent games than previous ones when evaluating a prospect's growth. Especially since he's climbed back to outscore the rest of our prospects from such a terrible start.

Simoneau is the guy who probably shouldn't get another contract. Probably RHP too; using a vet slot on a guy who can't produce and is a year from UFA status without much chance of becoming an NHL regular doesn't make sense.

Gignac and ABB probably won't be back either so you need AHL vets and it's a lot safer to bet on a guy who's crushing it like Farrell than others.

He'll be 24 in November which is not an unheard of age for a late pick to put it together. Protas this year for example. Or Dorofeyev, Or Jackson Lacombe who, while a D, had a similar path to the NHL playing his full college career. Pospisil had an even worse statline in the AHL and made Calgary at 24 and is a decent bottom sixer.

Ylonen has 100+ games under his belt, is two years older, and is not producing as well as Farrell in the AHL this year.

This is Farrell's second pro season and he's better than he was last, while many of the vets have not found the same success after the coaching change.

Nobody's rooting against the guy but you're talking about an undersized 23 year old who has 40pts in 61gp this season in the AHL following 28 in 47.

Not sure how much more needs to be said... Desharnais was a year or so older but he had 58 in 77 and then 78 in 60 and 45 in 35.

Whatever SF has done to date, it's not enough to say that he is on track to become an NHL player. Our roster especially, with Suzuki as average sized and Caufield the fiesty shrimp, cannot afford a tiny player unless he's an exceptional talent. SF is not on track to be such a factor in the NHL.

Very funny to cite 6'6" Protas or 6'1" Dorofeyev as comps to 5'7" Sean Farrell

 

[Naslundforever]

Being on "fire" is moot.. Farrel is another small forward.. we dont need these guys, like at all.. plain and simple, he only contributes to our asset value.

I was wondering this morning if he could outplay injured Armia or Pezzetta for a spot for now (I have not watched Laval). Looks like Kapanen is in town anyway.

 

[Scotianhab]

Do games in Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec of 2024 not count?

God forbid a player improves throughout the year after a terrible start….

 

[ExReHabs]

God forbid a player improves throughout the year after a terrible start….

What does this have to do with what I said. Stop feigning hysteria.

 

[Ezpz]

Nobody's rooting against the guy but you're talking about an undersized 23 year old who has 40pts in 61gp this season in the AHL following 28 in 47.

Not sure how much more needs to be said... Desharnais was a year or so older but he had 58 in 77 and then 78 in 60 and 45 in 35.

Whatever SF has done to date, it's not enough to say that he is on track to become an NHL player. Our roster especially, with Suzuki as average sized and Caufield the fiesty shrimp, cannot afford a tiny player unless he's an exceptional talent. SF is not on track to be such a factor in the NHL.

Very funny to cite 6'6" Protas or 6'1" Dorofeyev as comps to 5'7" Sean Farrell

The AHL schedule is largely division-based though. Patches and DD lit up a worse North division. It's why I never compare AHL stats directly and look within the structure of the team rather than overall points. Like everyone coming out of Hershey has had inflated stats since the dawn of time.

Utica are last in the North this year but wouldn't be last in any other division in the league. Bellville are 6th but would be in the playoffs or 2 points out in several other divisions.

All of the Atlantic are inflated on the other hand because Bridgeport are having an all-time bad season with only 15 wins all season with the next worst league-wide having 23.

Pacific division has 3 more teams than the North or Central and is known for loose defence. Texas has had top 5-10 in the AHL scoring players for years and none of them are turning into elite NHLers.

Laval are the top team in the league playing in a tough division and Farrell is the highest scoring prospect on the team.

Stefan Noesen was drafted first round in 2011 and first made an NHL top 6 full-time three years ago after 12 years of yoyo-ing between the NHL, mostly as a 13th forward, and AHL.

I just think it's a little early to write off a second-year pro. I want to say there's a lot more examples of good NHL players that had AHL struggles than NHL guys who dominated the AHL and then became good NHLers. Because typically a guy who is good enough to dominate the AHL and doesn't get called up has something lacking that prevents them from being an NHLer while the guy struggling usually has some small issue like skating or how quickly they make a play that once they figure out become NHLers almost immediately and don't get left down for an entire year to put up 70+ points.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Nobody's rooting against the guy but you're talking about an undersized 23 year old who has 40pts in 61gp this season in the AHL following 28 in 47.

Not sure how much more needs to be said... Desharnais was a year or so older but he had 58 in 77 and then 78 in 60 and 45 in 35.

Whatever SF has done to date, it's not enough to say that he is on track to become an NHL player. Our roster especially, with Suzuki as average sized and Caufield the fiesty shrimp, cannot afford a tiny player unless he's an exceptional talent. SF is not on track to be such a factor in the NHL.

Very funny to cite 6'6" Protas or 6'1" Dorofeyev as comps to 5'7" Sean Farrell

Why do you insist on being so dishonest and being so stubborn with your bias driven narratives? You intentionally misrepresent Farrell's height while complaining that the previous poster wasn't taking size into account...

Acting like the first two months of a developmental season are equally indicative of a players progress in the latest two months is an egregiously dishonest attempt to force your assertion into a discussion that has already moved on from the position that you are arguing from. This is quite simply an example of holding on to an assertion that is no longer valid instead of adjusting and admitting that you were wrong.

I have no problem moving on from some of my Hutson and Slaf criticisms that they have managed to overcome. That doesn't mean that my original concerns were not valid, and some still are but..... many of them are no longer applicable and I am more than happy to be wrong.

I suspect that we hold similar ideas about Farrell's worth to the franchise but to deny how good he has been over recent months is just wilful ignorance and is not something that I will ever engage in. You can absolutely argue that you don't think his game will translate to the NHL or his player type is not what the Habs need but to disregard his current play at the AHL is ridiculous and does not build credibility.

 

[26Mats]

I was wondering this morning if he could outplay injured Armia or Pezzetta for a spot for now (I have not watched Laval). Looks like Kapanen is in town anyway.

Kap is here. But we need two pkayers. One to replace Pez. One to replace injured Armia.

 

[Wateredgarden]

Do games in Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec of 2024 not count?

Well, they surely count less than his most recent ones, like in every sports.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Do games in Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec of 2024 not count?

What is so hard to understand. Young players can take awhile to acclimatize to each level. And past points are only one part of the story.. What matters most is how he looks now.

 

[Guess]

I hope we don't just view him as an asset and give him a chance. If it doesn't work out, he probably has some trade value.

 

[Scintillating10]

Farrell is putting a lot of points right now, he had 3pts in his first 27 games and has 37pts in his last 34 games. that's the whole reason we're discussing his future here.

That's quite the turn around

 

[ExReHabs]

Why do you insist on being so dishonest and being so stubborn with your bias driven narratives? You intentionally misrepresent Farrell's height while complaining that the previous poster wasn't taking size into account...

I got his height wrong, not sure how that happened but it was my mistake. Since in the NHL a 5'9" player is just as much of shrimp as a 5'7" player, I don't think it is an indication of mendacity on my part.

I don't care about Farrell at this moment -- he's too small and not productive enough. Maybe next season, the season in which he turns 24, he will continue his great AHL pace and earn a call up to the NHL but who will claim he will be on the starting roster coming out of training camp?

As Habs fans we need to accept it isn't just a question of acclimatisation, there are rather unfriendly physics involved in this case.

 

[ExReHabs]

I just think it's a little early to write off a second-year pro. I want to say there's a lot more examples of good NHL players that had AHL struggles than NHL guys who dominated the AHL and then became good NHLers. Because typically a guy who is good enough to dominate the AHL and doesn't get called up has something lacking that prevents them from being an NHLer while the guy struggling usually has some small issue like skating or how quickly they make a play that once they figure out become NHLers almost immediately and don't get left down for an entire year to put up 70+ points.

Size + age work against his odds of making an NHL roster. He needs a new contract this summer -- would you re-sign him to a one-way contract?