Confirmed Trade: [SEA/NYR] Kaapo Kakko for Will Borgen, 2025 3rd, 2025 6th

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1. If you don't believe the Rangers have a serious culture and development problem i don't know what else you have to see to believe. This is deeper than just Kakko not reaching his full potential with the Rangers.
2. My point is that you can not say the proof Kakko is NOT good is because he has NOT produced while being on a line with Kreider and Zibanejad, while simultaneously saying Kreider and Zibanejad are "declining/washed up". It does not make sense.
3. Zib and Kreider have not been good 5v5 the last 2 years (Kakko's age 21 and 22 seasons). The years before, that is not an easy ask for a 19 and 20 year old to play against top opponents as you said.
Side note: Even-Strength Scoring includes 3v3 and 4v4 which lead to more offense than 5v5.
4. Zib and Krieder are elite PP players on an elite Rangers PP and has been for a few years (helps to have Fox and Panarin). No one expects there to be a spot for Kakko.
4. Kakko has not evolved into the player everyone envisioned but to say it has nothing to do with the franchise that repeatedly had prospects not fulfill their potential is silly.

Every franchise has prospects not fulfill their “potential.” What other major prospects have the Rangers had in the modern era that could say didn’t meet their potential?

We are talking about projecting a 17 year old to the best league in the world. There will always be some misses, just like the multiple 3rd and 4th round picks the Rangers have had that far exceeded what was expected (or they wouldn’t have fallen so far in their respective drafts). Or even their multiple 1st round picks that didn’t bust.

What did the Rangers do to “ruin” Kakko that they did the opposite of to Cuylle? How about K’Andre Miller? Chytil? Schneider? Shesterkin? Skjei? Buchnevich? JT Miller? Fast? That’s 10 players off the top of my head that most would argue exceeded (often far exceeded) their draft expectations in the last 15 drafts, all by the same team that somehow have a “serious culture and development problem” that failed Kakko, and pretty much ONLY Kakko. And don’t quote Anderson and McIlrath. Every team has multiple picks between 7-10 that don’t pan out.
 
That trade can get a GM fired I doubt he returns next year.

Huh?

Drury’s job is in real danger if his team goes from the President Trophy to missing the playoffs, particularly in a season where the Eastern WC race is looking this weak. The locker-room drama and bad publicity isn’t helping him.

But the Kakko trade won’t have anything to do with that.

Even if Kakko improves, becomes more consistent and gets more ice time, and ends up with 60 points, I doubt NYR ownership will notice and/or care.

And I’m skeptical he does that. Producing for ~10 games and then falling of the face of the earth for +20 is Kakko’s jam.
 
This is a list of the last 25 first round picks by the Rangers. You can't tell me they do not have a drafting and development problem.
1 EJ Emery 2024 (30)
2 G. Perreault 2023 (23)
3 B. Othmann. 2021 (16)
4 A. Lafreniere. 2020 (1)
5 B. Schneider. 2020 (19)
6 K. Kakko. 2019 (2)
7 V. Kravtsov. 2018 (9)
8 K. Miller. 2018 (22)
9 N. Lundkvist. 2018 (28)
10 L. Andersson. 2017 (7)
11 F. Chytil. 2017 (21)
12 B. Skjei. 2012 (28)
13 J.T. Miller. 2011 (15)
14 D. McIlrath. 2010 (10)
15 C. Kreider. 2009 (19)
16 M. Del Zotto. 2008 (20)
17 Alexei Cherepanov. 2007 (17)
18 B. Sanguinetti 2006 (21)
19 M. Staal 2005 (12)
20 A. Montoya 2004 (6)
21 L. Korpikoski 2004 (19)
22 H. Jessiman. 2003 (12)
23 D. Blackburn. 2001 (10)
24 P. Brendl. 1999 (4)
25 J. Lundmark. 1999 (9)

Skjei and JT Miller they dumped before they took off. Fast is a nice player but come on. People are calling for K. Miller head because of how poorly he's played.

You say don't bring up Lias Anderson but when they drafted him everyone said they reached for him and he might not be a top line center but he is a character guy that will one day wear a letter for them and look how that turned out. It's not just that some guys are not working out. It is how it doesn't work out or they get sent away and turn it around.
Yes they have some hits but those seem to be the exceptions not the rule
 
This is a list of the last 25 first round picks by the Rangers. You can't tell me they do not have a drafting and development problem.
1 EJ Emery 2024 (30)
2 G. Perreault 2023 (23)
3 B. Othmann. 2021 (16)
4 A. Lafreniere. 2020 (1)
5 B. Schneider. 2020 (19)
6 K. Kakko. 2019 (2)
7 V. Kravtsov. 2018 (9)
8 K. Miller. 2018 (22)
9 N. Lundkvist. 2018 (28)
10 L. Andersson. 2017 (7)
11 F. Chytil. 2017 (21)
12 B. Skjei. 2012 (28)
13 J.T. Miller. 2011 (15)
14 D. McIlrath. 2010 (10)
15 C. Kreider. 2009 (19)
16 M. Del Zotto. 2008 (20)
17 Alexei Cherepanov. 2007 (17)
18 B. Sanguinetti 2006 (21)
19 M. Staal 2005 (12)
20 A. Montoya 2004 (6)
21 L. Korpikoski 2004 (19)
22 H. Jessiman. 2003 (12)
23 D. Blackburn. 2001 (10)
24 P. Brendl. 1999 (4)
25 J. Lundmark. 1999 (9)

Skjei and JT Miller they dumped before they took off. Fast is a nice player but come on. People are calling for K. Miller head because of how poorly he's played.

You say don't bring up Lias Anderson but when they drafted him everyone said they reached for him and he might not be a top line center but he is a character guy that will one day wear a letter for them and look how that turned out. It's not just that some guys are not working out. It is how it doesn't work out or they get sent away and turn it around.
Yes they have some hits but those seem to be the exceptions not the rule
Broadway circus. 😃
 
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This is a list of the last 25 first round picks by the Rangers. You can't tell me they do not have a drafting and development problem.
1 EJ Emery 2024 (30)
2 G. Perreault 2023 (23)
3 B. Othmann. 2021 (16)
4 A. Lafreniere. 2020 (1)
5 B. Schneider. 2020 (19)
6 K. Kakko. 2019 (2)
7 V. Kravtsov. 2018 (9)
8 K. Miller. 2018 (22)
9 N. Lundkvist. 2018 (28)
10 L. Andersson. 2017 (7)
11 F. Chytil. 2017 (21)
12 B. Skjei. 2012 (28)
13 J.T. Miller. 2011 (15)
14 D. McIlrath. 2010 (10)
15 C. Kreider. 2009 (19)
16 M. Del Zotto. 2008 (20)
17 Alexei Cherepanov. 2007 (17)
18 B. Sanguinetti 2006 (21)
19 M. Staal 2005 (12)
20 A. Montoya 2004 (6)
21 L. Korpikoski 2004 (19)
22 H. Jessiman. 2003 (12)
23 D. Blackburn. 2001 (10)
24 P. Brendl. 1999 (4)
25 J. Lundmark. 1999 (9)

Skjei and JT Miller they dumped before they took off. Fast is a nice player but come on. People are calling for K. Miller head because of how poorly he's played.

You say don't bring up Lias Anderson but when they drafted him everyone said they reached for him and he might not be a top line center but he is a character guy that will one day wear a letter for them and look how that turned out. It's not just that some guys are not working out. It is how it doesn't work out or they get sent away and turn it around.
Yes they have some hits but those seem to be the exceptions not the rule

...best post this year so far just for the Huge Speciman namedrop!!...:thumbu:
 
This is a list of the last 25 first round picks by the Rangers. You can't tell me they do not have a drafting and development problem.
1 EJ Emery 2024 (30)
2 G. Perreault 2023 (23)
3 B. Othmann. 2021 (16)
4 A. Lafreniere. 2020 (1)
5 B. Schneider. 2020 (19)
6 K. Kakko. 2019 (2)
7 V. Kravtsov. 2018 (9)
8 K. Miller. 2018 (22)
9 N. Lundkvist. 2018 (28)
10 L. Andersson. 2017 (7)
11 F. Chytil. 2017 (21)
12 B. Skjei. 2012 (28)
13 J.T. Miller. 2011 (15)
14 D. McIlrath. 2010 (10)
15 C. Kreider. 2009 (19)
16 M. Del Zotto. 2008 (20)
17 Alexei Cherepanov. 2007 (17)
18 B. Sanguinetti 2006 (21)
19 M. Staal 2005 (12)
20 A. Montoya 2004 (6)
21 L. Korpikoski 2004 (19)
22 H. Jessiman. 2003 (12)
23 D. Blackburn. 2001 (10)
24 P. Brendl. 1999 (4)
25 J. Lundmark. 1999 (9)

Skjei and JT Miller they dumped before they took off. Fast is a nice player but come on. People are calling for K. Miller head because of how poorly he's played.

You say don't bring up Lias Anderson but when they drafted him everyone said they reached for him and he might not be a top line center but he is a character guy that will one day wear a letter for them and look how that turned out. It's not just that some guys are not working out. It is how it doesn't work out or they get sent away and turn it around.
Yes they have some hits but those seem to be the exceptions not the rule

Don’t bring up Lia’s Anderson? How about don’t bring up Neil Smith picks from the trash fire 1999 draft, where just about every 1st Rd pick not named Sedin was a bad pick.

Jessiman is always funny tho.
 
This is a list of the last 25 first round picks by the Rangers. You can't tell me they do not have a drafting and development problem.
1 EJ Emery 2024 (30)
2 G. Perreault 2023 (23)
3 B. Othmann. 2021 (16)
4 A. Lafreniere. 2020 (1)
5 B. Schneider. 2020 (19)
6 K. Kakko. 2019 (2)
7 V. Kravtsov. 2018 (9)
8 K. Miller. 2018 (22)
9 N. Lundkvist. 2018 (28)
10 L. Andersson. 2017 (7)
11 F. Chytil. 2017 (21)
12 B. Skjei. 2012 (28)
13 J.T. Miller. 2011 (15)
14 D. McIlrath. 2010 (10)
15 C. Kreider. 2009 (19)
16 M. Del Zotto. 2008 (20)
17 Alexei Cherepanov. 2007 (17)
18 B. Sanguinetti 2006 (21)
19 M. Staal 2005 (12)
20 A. Montoya 2004 (6)
21 L. Korpikoski 2004 (19)
22 H. Jessiman. 2003 (12)
23 D. Blackburn. 2001 (10)
24 P. Brendl. 1999 (4)
25 J. Lundmark. 1999 (9)

Skjei and JT Miller they dumped before they took off. Fast is a nice player but come on. People are calling for K. Miller head because of how poorly he's played.

You say don't bring up Lias Anderson but when they drafted him everyone said they reached for him and he might not be a top line center but he is a character guy that will one day wear a letter for them and look how that turned out. It's not just that some guys are not working out. It is how it doesn't work out or they get sent away and turn it around.
Yes they have some hits but those seem to be the exceptions not the rule

Perreault and Emery are too early to judge, but trending well. Laf is a regular at the NHL level and is playing well in a top-6 role, not typical 1st overall, but not a bust. Kakko we are covering in this thread. Othman and Schneider are either in the NHL already, or have been and are close.

K’Andre Miller and Nils Lundqvist are regulars on good NHL teams’ blue lines. Chytil has been an NHL regular center for years.

Anderson and Kravtsov were busts.

That’s every one of the 11 1st round picks they’ve made in the last 10 drafts.

Two too early to say.
One on the way, doing will in the AHL.
Five NHL regulars.
Three busts.

Average draft position: 16th overall.

Going back 20 drafts, there were 8 more first round picks, 2 were a busts, one died before making the NHL but was looking like a star, and an average draft position of 18th overall. Again, you are seeing what you hope to see, not what reality is. No team that averages drafting 17th overall for two decades is hitting on nearly 75% of their 1st round picks turning into NHL regulars. It’s a bad narrative unsupported by any real fact other than “LOLZ Rangers.”
 
Don’t bring up Lia’s Anderson? How about don’t bring up Neil Smith picks from the trash fire 1999 draft, where just about every 1st Rd pick not named Sedin was a bad pick.

Jessiman is always funny tho.

I don’t put a lot of stock in drafts that far back - certainly not as evidence of a “drafting and development cultural problem.” There have been 3 lockouts, hundreds of rule changes, the way hockey has been played at the NHL level is practically completely different, the way the game and prospects are scouted is miles better, and the Rangers have had 4 different GMs in that time frame. It’s just another way to bag on a team, because more recent history is much less kind to the narrative being pushed.

Yes, McIlrath, Anderson, and now Kakko look like particularly bad misses. Jessiman in 03 may have been viewed very differently with no lockout and teams playing a style favoring giants who could plod through obstruction rather than quicker players who could skate around it. It’s not like a 1st overall pick never playing an NHL game bad - he was #12 in that draft. While he was a bit of a “reach” on draft day, several of the prospects ranked above him went on to have very unremarkable careers. People using him in this instance try to make it sound like he was one of the biggest, most obvious draft busts of all time. He isn’t even the biggest Rangers draft bust in the last 25 years.
 
Every franchise has prospects not fulfill their “potential.” What other major prospects have the Rangers had in the modern era that could say didn’t meet their potential?

We are talking about projecting a 17 year old to the best league in the world. There will always be some misses, just like the multiple 3rd and 4th round picks the Rangers have had that far exceeded what was expected (or they wouldn’t have fallen so far in their respective drafts). Or even their multiple 1st round picks that didn’t bust.

What did the Rangers do to “ruin” Kakko that they did the opposite of to Cuylle? How about K’Andre Miller? Chytil? Schneider? Shesterkin? Skjei? Buchnevich? JT Miller? Fast? That’s 10 players off the top of my head that most would argue exceeded (often far exceeded) their draft expectations in the last 15 drafts, all by the same team that somehow have a “serious culture and development problem” that failed Kakko, and pretty much ONLY Kakko. And don’t quote Anderson and McIlrath. Every team has multiple picks between 7-10 that don’t pan out.
Kakko was pacing for scoring in or below the 40s before he was traded. Slightly worse ballpark as some of the forwards you mention which are still not great. (Cuyle, Chytil, Laf). Kakko is doing better now (pacing 60pts in his Seattle games). Much of that is simple opportunities.

Miller was a bit better though still far from what he’d become.
There’s a reason Rangers have a long standing rep for their forward development.


The big issue in my eyes is they rushed the rebuild. They had not enough patience to develop. They acquired various veterans to play the same position as some of their young guys, and hired the old school Win-Now, My Job Isn’t To Develop Players coaches


Development means opportunities to actually play key situations, and confidence helps.

Harder to build confidence when your coach scratches you when you’re playing hard for making even one mistake, while he continues to reward multiple underperforming vets with less hustle, giving them a much longer leash and still giving them prime minutes when they look like shit.


When Kakko got scratched, he had a better 5v5 goal differential than much of the team if I recall.

* His even strength points prior to scratch, individually was almost as much as Kreider and Zibanejad combined (and presumably they combined on some of those?) despite averaging multiple fewer minutes per game*


It’s the same shit Trotz used to do with Schmidt before we let Vegas have him and he immediately become a top pair guy.



Some players don’t need development effort. Great for them. Others do, that doesn’t mean you don’t try to development them, but that’s what many teams do. There’s a reason tons of guys blossom after trades.
 
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This is a list of the last 25 first round picks by the Rangers. You can't tell me they do not have a drafting and development problem.
1 EJ Emery 2024 (30)
2 G. Perreault 2023 (23)
3 B. Othmann. 2021 (16)
4 A. Lafreniere. 2020 (1)
5 B. Schneider. 2020 (19)
6 K. Kakko. 2019 (2)
7 V. Kravtsov. 2018 (9)
8 K. Miller. 2018 (22)
9 N. Lundkvist. 2018 (28)
10 L. Andersson. 2017 (7)
11 F. Chytil. 2017 (21)
12 B. Skjei. 2012 (28)
13 J.T. Miller. 2011 (15)
14 D. McIlrath. 2010 (10)
15 C. Kreider. 2009 (19)
16 M. Del Zotto. 2008 (20)
17 Alexei Cherepanov. 2007 (17)
18 B. Sanguinetti 2006 (21)
19 M. Staal 2005 (12)
20 A. Montoya 2004 (6)
21 L. Korpikoski 2004 (19)
22 H. Jessiman. 2003 (12)
23 D. Blackburn. 2001 (10)
24 P. Brendl. 1999 (4)
25 J. Lundmark. 1999 (9)

Skjei and JT Miller they dumped before they took off. Fast is a nice player but come on. People are calling for K. Miller head because of how poorly he's played.

You say don't bring up Lias Anderson but when they drafted him everyone said they reached for him and he might not be a top line center but he is a character guy that will one day wear a letter for them and look how that turned out. It's not just that some guys are not working out. It is how it doesn't work out or they get sent away and turn it around.
Yes they have some hits but those seem to be the exceptions not the rule
Who needs to invest in drafting and development when you have an endless supply of primadonnas to build your team with.
 
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Perreault and Emery are too early to judge, but trending well. Laf is a regular at the NHL level and is playing well in a top-6 role, not typical 1st overall, but not a bust. Kakko we are covering in this thread. Othman and Schneider are either in the NHL already, or have been and are close.

K’Andre Miller and Nils Lundqvist are regulars on good NHL teams’ blue lines. Chytil has been an NHL regular center for years.

Anderson and Kravtsov were busts.

That’s every one of the 11 1st round picks they’ve made in the last 10 drafts.

Two too early to say.
One on the way, doing will in the AHL.
Five NHL regulars.
Three busts.

Average draft position: 16th overall.

Going back 20 drafts, there were 8 more first round picks, 2 were a busts, one died before making the NHL but was looking like a star, and an average draft position of 18th overall. Again, you are seeing what you hope to see, not what reality is. No team that averages drafting 17th overall for two decades is hitting on nearly 75% of their 1st round picks turning into NHL regulars. It’s a bad narrative unsupported by any real fact other than “LOLZ Rangers.”

Ya, glad I wasn’t the only one looking at the work that poster did thinking.. uh, that’s not bad. That’s about right for 1st round results, given their draft position.

Rags got issues, but recent draft/development up to the nhl level- not a concern, in my mind.
 
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Kaapo is only going to get better the more confidence he gets.. How do the Rangers bring in zero Finns? I thought those guys seem to like being around other Finns. Rangers let this kid down big time. This isn't rocket science, some people need to be in an ideal situation to make the most of their potential. From what I've seen, Rangers did nothing out of their way to make Kaapo comfortable. An 18 year old kid coming to a new city..
 
This thread just has to get bumped every time Kakko scores and empty netter doesn't it

Yep, at least we’ve established he can hit a literal empty net, because Rangers fans know he missed plenty when the goalie was roughly in the area but the net was open.

That don guy is clearly just here to troll. We’ve gone from Kakko being a hilarious bust worth nothing as a cap dump to franchise player for scoring an empty net goal where his total contribution was being interfered with, knocked on his ass, having the puck passed to him, and hitting an empty net uncontested from 60 feet.

It’s the Rangers drafting (no wait, already disproved that). It’s their development (nope, can’t be with all the Rangers draft picks making the NHL and performing), now it’s “lack of Finns.”

People, if a player - a consensus 2nd overall pick at that - needs this much help to be more than JAG, he’s probably JAG.
 
Kaapo is only going to get better the more confidence he gets.. How do the Rangers bring in zero Finns? I thought those guys seem to like being around other Finns. Rangers let this kid down big time. This isn't rocket science, some people need to be in an ideal situation to make the most of their potential. From what I've seen, Rangers did nothing out of their way to make Kaapo comfortable. An 18 year old kid coming to a new city..
The rangers had Mikkola one season
 
Yep, at least we’ve established he can hit a literal empty net, because Rangers fans know he missed plenty when the goalie was roughly in the area but the net was open.

That don guy is clearly just here to troll. We’ve gone from Kakko being a hilarious bust worth nothing as a cap dump to franchise player for scoring an empty net goal where his total contribution was being interfered with, knocked on his ass, having the puck passed to him, and hitting an empty net uncontested from 60 feet.

It’s the Rangers drafting (no wait, already disproved that). It’s their development (nope, can’t be with all the Rangers draft picks making the NHL and performing), now it’s “lack of Finns.”

People, if a player - a consensus 2nd overall pick at that - needs this much help to be more than JAG, he’s probably JAG.
You draft him, he sucks for you, you trade him for nothing, now he's good. You don't seem to understand that the only loser in this scenario is your new york rangers.
 
This is a amusing KK is shooting 22% which is 10% higher than his career average. Is he going to continue that? Nope

He is also playing 3 more mins a night and getting way more PP time. He already has the same PP points in his first 12 games as he did in 30 with the Rangers.

His points will increase with usage but he is on a bad team and as they get more talent he will get pushed around. Lucky for him this time here is going to get him paid.
 
Ya, glad I wasn’t the only one looking at the work that poster did thinking.. uh, that’s not bad. That’s about right for 1st round results, given their draft position.

Rags got issues, but recent draft/development up to the nhl level- not a concern, in my mind.

Rangers have tons of issues. If people here were lamenting the supposed “country club” that’s existed around the team since the Cup, that’s one thing. But their drafting and development, 1st round and elsewhere, has actually been rather good. Compare their success rate against other picks at #17 for 20 years, which gives you a rough idea of the “average” player drafted where the Rangers have averaged for two decades. I’ll exclude the last three drafts as I did before for being too early to tell:

Zack Bolduc
Lukas Reichel
Peyton Krebs
Ty Smith
Timothy Liljegren
Dante Fabbro
Kyle Connor
Travis Sanheim
Curtis Lazar
Tomas Hertl
Nathan Beaulieu
Joey Hishon
David Rundblad
Jake Gardiner
Alexei Cherepanov*
Trevor Lewis
Martin Hanzal
Marek Schwarz

Aside from Connor and probably Hertl, the best pick here was looking to be Cherepanov - a Rangers draft selection. The rest is a hodgepodge of mediocrity to bad NHL players. This is where the Rangers average draft pick has fallen in the last 20 drafts - to say they’ve done better than the average here isn’t groundbreaking. It’s pretty clear. Anyone expecting a team to consistently pull top-3 caliber talent out of a draft when drafting this low is either not aware of reality or straight trolling.

You draft him, he sucks for you, you trade him for nothing, now he's good. You don't seem to understand that the only loser in this scenario is your new york rangers.

Why are the Rangers losers? They traded a kid who wasn’t performing and openly bitched about it to the media, throwing his coach, team, and management under the bus in doing so. As a Rangers fan, I couldn’t possibly care less about his 10 game bender doubling his career shooting percentage. I sincerely hope the kid figures it out, but it’s not the Rangers fault he wasn’t anything more than a body out there for 5 years. The scouting report on him was that he was the most NHL-ready, complete player in the draft, ahead of even Hughes. Given that, how can anyone blame the Rangers for his “lack of development?”

Edit: To further that point, if the Rangers were so bad at developing him, how amazing must the Kraken be to develop this noted Rangers bust into a franchise talent again in 10 games? Surely they’ve NEVER had a draft pick bust with how great they are at development…
 
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Rangers have tons of issues. If people here were lamenting the supposed “country club” that’s existed around the team since the Cup, that’s one thing. But their drafting and development, 1st round and elsewhere, has actually been rather good. Compare their success rate against other picks at #17 for 20 years, which gives you a rough idea of the “average” player drafted where the Rangers have averaged for two decades. I’ll exclude the last three drafts as I did before for being too early to tell:

Zack Bolduc
Lukas Reichel
Peyton Krebs
Ty Smith
Timothy Liljegren
Dante Fabbro
Kyle Connor
Travis Sanheim
Curtis Lazar
Tomas Hertl
Nathan Beaulieu
Joey Hishon
David Rundblad
Jake Gardiner
Alexei Cherepanov*
Trevor Lewis
Martin Hanzal
Marek Schwarz

Aside from Connor and probably Hertl, the best pick here was looking to be Cherepanov - a Rangers draft selection. The rest is a hodgepodge of mediocrity to bad NHL players. This is where the Rangers average draft pick has fallen in the last 20 drafts - to say they’ve done better than the average here isn’t groundbreaking. It’s pretty clear. Anyone expecting a team to consistently pull top-3 caliber talent out of a draft when drafting this low is either not aware of reality or straight trolling.



Why are the Rangers losers? They traded a kid who wasn’t performing and openly bitched about it to the media, throwing his coach, team, and management under the bus in doing so. As a Rangers fan, I couldn’t possibly care less about his 10 game bender doubling his career shooting percentage. I sincerely hope the kid figures it out, but it’s not the Rangers fault he wasn’t anything more than a body out there for 5 years. The scouting report on him was that he was the most NHL-ready, complete player in the draft, ahead of even Hughes. Given that, how can anyone blame the Rangers for his “lack of development?”

Edit: To further that point, if the Rangers were so bad at developing him, how amazing must the Kraken be to develop this noted Rangers bust into a franchise talent again in 10 games? Surely they’ve NEVER had a draft pick bust with how great they are at development…
Your 2nd overall turned into ash, what is there to understand? Copium is strong with this one.
 

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