Confirmed Trade: [SEA/NYR] Kaapo Kakko for Will Borgen, 2025 3rd, 2025 6th

SwedishFire

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I just dont think Kakko has that thagught of value, and that junior numbers coming from being very fysichal strong as a junior.
The poor guy got hyped up, he has some nice moved around the net that get him some hype, but It went out of control. He should had been drafted #8-15.

I suspect he would be an AHL superstar. Is the game to fast for him?
 

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I just dont think Kakko has that thagught of value, and that junior numbers coming from being very fysichal strong as a junior.
The poor guy got hyped up, he has some nice moved around the net that get him some hype, but It went out of control. He should had been drafted #8-15.

I suspect he would be an AHL superstar. Is the game to fast for him?
Someone forgot how Kakko turned senior defensemen inside out in world champs 2019. He has been asked to round out his game in the NHL and lost confidence in his offensive game. It happens.

He made quite a few really good NHL defensemen look like rookies.
 
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I just dont think Kakko has that thagught of value, and that junior numbers coming from being very fysichal strong as a junior.
The poor guy got hyped up, he has some nice moved around the net that get him some hype, but It went out of control. He

should had been drafted #8-15.
80 - 115 maybe based on his development and production to this point
 

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I just used the search function (you should try it) for Hedman and Bust in the content. There are maybe 6 people labeling him a bust in 2011. Two of them said they would have drafted Ryan Ellis over him so lets ease up on HFBoards authority on what constitutes a bust for a 21 year old.

Let's be honest, the standard for HF strawmen is "some random guy posted this years ago" so I get to call his opinion out and act like it was a mainstream opinion.
 
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Someone forgot how Kakko turned senior defensemen inside out in world champs 2019. He has been asked to round out his game in the NHL and lost confidence in his offensive game. It happens.

He made quite a few really good NHL defensemen look like rookies.
To be fair, most of NHLers today are hyper skilled, so Kakko in NHL is just above a NHL average. He has good hands, not supreme hands, good shot, not a supreme shot, ok skating - not great skating, ok senses - not hyper-senses. Good at many things, not great ar one particular skill, but I would put play with the stick around the net is great. You get what I think of him? Outside NHL he is a star, at NHL level - he melts in.
I think he could melt in as a 2nd liner once he get more self-decisive about it. He convincing himself that he has to prove himself every training and every game, thats how you get very hard to play against. Practice his shot like Draisaitl, Marchand Pasternak - abillity to fire it away on an instant one timer touch, and dragshots with precision - and he could be a 40 goal scorer.
Confidence goes up and down sometimes, but with training, dedication and being decisive and determinted to do what you can to create, break plays, cover the puck offensivly, offensove bodychecks, be a passable option, practicing the shot a lot - and Kakko could be the best version of himself I think.

Overall I think a trade is good for him. Maybe a line with Berniers is great for him.
 
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Kakko strikes me as a player who needs a strong and consistent system around him to succeed, and not changes to the coaches and thus the system every couple of years.
Kakko also strikes me as a player that is not made to be a 3rd liner, but actually is.
NHL today is so much about speed, and read and react fast. Kakko isnt great in neither of them. If he went to Europe. He would be a scoring leader.
 
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I feel like the best outcome is a 50 point guy who can play on the 2nd line if he's paired with two good top six players, I'm not of the opinion currently that he can be a pure top 6 guy due to the lack of speed and skill to be honest. Maybe he'll be one of those guys who when is he 26/27 he figures out his game to be a fringe 2nd liner.

I feel like its a decent move for Seattle as they didn't really pay much and there's possibly some upside left. Rangers I'd say a bad move even though they weren't getting much out of Kakko, the return was low considering he is still young and GMs love to pay for draft position even if they're development has gone off the rail. I don't think this has the potential to be an awful trade where the rangers have given away a future superstar to be honest.
 
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Kakko also strikes me as a player that is not made to be a 3rd liner, but actually is.
NHL today is so much about speed, and read and react fast. Kakko isnt great in neither of them. If he went to Europe. He would be a scoring leader.
To me, Kakko has bit of same problem as Puljujärvi, another underperforming Finnish dude. Good tools but does not necessarily have the IQ to use said tools at NHL speed and small space.

Kakko should still be an NHL player though. Middle six forward in structured system.

His goal today was nice though.
 

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To me, Kakko has bit of same problem as Puljujärvi, another underperforming Finnish dude. Good tools but does not necessarily have the IQ to use said tools at NHL speed and small space.

Kakko should still be an NHL player though. Middle six forward in structured system.

His goal today was nice though.

As someone who watched every game of his career with NYR, I'm gonna disagree with you, you have it backwards.

He's a pretty smart player and a hard worker, hence why he's a pretty good defensive forward. His problem is he's a bad skater, has an even worse shot, and is allergic to contact. He plays like a perimeter player but doesn't have any of the tools to be one.
 
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As someone who watched every game of his career with NYR, I'm gonna disagree with you, you have it backwards.

He's a pretty smart player and a hard worker, hence why he's a pretty good defensive forward. His problem is he's a bad skater, has an even worse shot, and is allergic to contact. He plays like a perimeter player but doesn't have any of the tools to be one.
One has to wonder if the change of scenery does something for him. He did have 5 hits tonight - more than any other Seattle skater.
 
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If Kakko turns it around with a change, and figures out his best game around 26-27, I kind of envision an Ivan Barbashev trajectory. 60 points as a 26 year old, followed by back to back 45 point seasons and now at 29 he’s point per game through 30 games. Sounds exactly like a best case scenario for Kakko.
 

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