Confirmed Trade: [SEA/NYR] Kaapo Kakko for Will Borgen, 2025 3rd, 2025 6th

[zizbuka]

Happy for Kakko, wish the Flyers could've gotten him.

I think the Rags have the same problem the Flyers do; dinosaur coach

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Um excuse me but that can't be true. My team's GM said trades don't happen this time of year.

Seattle doesn't have any palm trees either.

 

[River Meadow]

Kaapo Busto

 

[paragon]

I can't understand anyone who says with a straight face that Kakko sucks.

It's obvious that he's a bust. Of course you wish more out of a 2nd overall pick, but he's still a good 3rd liner. His production is not terrible and he's responsible defensively. Anyone with those qualities is a net asset and useful.

I don't believe a word about how this trade wasn't related to his comments. They could have waited for the summer or the TDL and probably gotten more in either case. The return wasn't so great that you couldn't pass the opportunity.

 

[Chardo]

I can't understand anyone who says with a straight face that Kakko sucks.

It's obvious that he's a bust. Of course you wish more out of a 2nd overall pick, but he's still a good 3rd liner. His production is not terrible and he's responsible defensively. Anyone with those qualities is a net asset and useful.

I don't believe a word about how this trade wasn't related to his comments. They could have waited for the summer or the TDL and probably gotten more in either case. The return wasn't so great that you couldn't pass the opportunity.

Nobody drafts at #2 hoping for a good 3rd liner. And it's questionable whether he even is one.

 

[paragon]

Nobody drafts at #2 hoping for a good 3rd liner. And it's questionable whether he even is one.

It's not questionable. He clearly is a very good 3rd liner. Where he was drafted should be irrelevant to his value at this point. Him being a bust should not lower his trade value one iota.

 

[Rschmitz]

Nobody drafts at #2 hoping for a good 3rd liner. And it's questionable whether he even is one.

Not living up to expectations and sucking are two completely different things.

It's not questionable to say he's a third liner, lol. What the hell

 

[gabevh3]

Team won the President's Trophy and the New York media and Ranger fandom hailed him as the next Bill Torrey.

I didn't... it was mostly cause of the goalies.

 

[Zeeker]

Lol, the salty Rangers admins took down that Barclay Goodrow thread bump faster than Kakko was kicked out of town for speaking his mind

 

[Chardo]

Happy for Kakko, wish the Flyers could've gotten him.

I think the Rags have the same problem the Flyers do; dinosaur coach

Dinosaur? He just turned 60. And way, way back, all the way last year, won the President's Trophy and lost in the semis to the Cup champion.

It's not questionable. He clearly is a very good 3rd liner. Where he was drafted should be irrelevant to his value at this point. Him being a bust should not lower his trade value one iota.

Very good 3rd liners, or any liners, don't get healthy scratched repeatedly.

Not living up to expectations and sucking are two completely different things.

It's not questionable to say he's a third liner, lol. What the hell

It's not questionable to say he's a third liner. It's questionable to say he's a good one.

 

[Brookbank]

a 6th and a nothing Dman. Whether Kakko goes on to be something or not, that's what the Rangers have to show for a 2nd overall pick.

Going back to Hugh Jessiman in 2003, arguably the most stacked draft of all-time, has any professional sports franchise ever put on such an abysmal display of drafting?

It's a 21 year run of some truly diabolical first round drafting.

Was Kakko the BPA ?

 

[Svedu]

Nobody drafts at #2 hoping for a good 3rd liner. And it's questionable whether he even is one.

LOL! Questionable if he's a good third liner? Just sh*t up already. That's just a delusional statement no matter how someone twists and turns things.

 

[Aurinko]

I can't understand anyone who says with a straight face that Kakko sucks.

It's obvious that he's a bust. Of course you wish more out of a 2nd overall pick, but he's still a good 3rd liner. His production is not terrible and he's responsible defensively. Anyone with those qualities is a net asset and useful.

I don't believe a word about how this trade wasn't related to his comments. They could have waited for the summer or the TDL and probably gotten more in either case. The return wasn't so great that you couldn't pass the opportunity.

Obvious and obvious bust... He's a solid mid tier player and elite defensively.

2.5M cap hit on a seeminly healthy 23 year old 2-way performer on high value contract means high upside and low downside. There is even a chance he will dust off the bust label by just turning up the scoring. Even if he is or becomes injured, there is a good chance for recovery since he is so young.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Seattle can play Kakko with their other top 5 overall bust in Shane Wright.

 

[Joe Sakic]

It’s a decent gamble for Seattle but you can’t really say “even if” and then describe a player Kakko hasn’t even come close to becoming as if it’s his floor.

Fair point but he has hit 40 points before and likely will this season as well.

At 23 years of age. We’ll see where he is at 26 years old, I venture to guess he’ll be a 50 point player by then.

But your point is fair. Time will tell on this one.

Point being, the kraken gave up nothing for a flyer on a decent player who can improve over the next several years as he begins to enter his prime.

 

[dgibb10]

As we explained on the Devils board, it's a combination of a couple things. Anaheim not necessarily wanting to give out a long term deal when they have a bunch of young D who'll need new contracts in a couple seasons. Combine that with Anaheim not exactly being a hot free agent destination. You keep making it seem like they should have been a contender for Brett Pesce if they had offered one more dollar than the Devils. Who else was on the market? Montour? I don't think that's somebody the Ducks wanted a 7+ year reunion.

You even went as far as saying they should have signed T.J. Brodie and Alec Martinez which doesn't seem like a particularly great solution especially knowing that Martinez has missed more than half the season because of injuries. While both have experience playing the right side, Anaheim was looking for a RHD. Trouba fills a spot for the next season+ and Anaheim can likely get much more than the 4th if/when they trade him at next year's deadline.

Except he did want montour and simply failed to make a successful pitch to him.

And trouba is more on the level of Sean Walker, Brendon Dillon, Brodie, Martinez tier than he is the Pesce, Montour tier

"Who was on the market"

This was one of the better RD classes in UFA in a WHILE.

 

[dirtydanglez]

cant help but root for kakko

 

[TGWL]

It's not questionable. He clearly is a very good 3rd liner. Where he was drafted should be irrelevant to his value at this point. Him being a bust should not lower his trade value one iota.

You went from good to very good. Next he's a great 3rd liner?

He's a 3rd liner. And currently a replaceable 3rd liner. I think you're being very generous with your "very good." Maybe that changes. Hopefully it does. But it wasn't changing for us.

 

[paragon]

You went from good to very good. Next he's a great 3rd liner?

He's a 3rd liner. And currently a replaceable 3rd liner. I think you're being very generous with your "very good." Maybe that changes. Hopefully it does. But it wasn't changing for us.

He's 192nd in scoring among forwards this year. That means he is pretty much the worst 2nd liner or best 3rd liner in the league offensively this year. He's also a good possession player and good defensively. I think overall that makes him a very good 3rd liner.

 

[paragon]

Obvious and obvious bust... He's a solid mid tier player and elite defensively.

2.5M cap hit on a seeminly healthy 23 year old 2-way performer on high value contract means high upside and low downside. There is even a chance he will dust off the bust label by just turning up the scoring. Even if he is or becomes injured, there is a good chance for recovery since he is so young.

He should be a first liner based on expectations. He's not and that means he's a bust. It's that simple.

 

[LeBrun is a Clown]

"Cap hit is a non factor w 20 mil plus in space"

He had the opportunity to sign any number of players in UFA, in one of the best RHD markets in a WHILE, and failed to convince any of them using said cap space.

So he made a bad trade to make up for a bad free agency.

Yeah, there is this thing called term on contracts, Verbeek used his brain, unlike yourself constructing that sentence, by not pulling the trigger on their signings where he handcuffs the team down the road when Leo, Sennecke, Z, Gauthier, Mintyukov, and McT require giant raises, granted they all pan out. If they signed, say Montour, to a long term deal, that 7 mil corners Anaheim whereas if Trouba stays, he’s making around 3-5 mil on his next contract.

 

[staveNsteel]

He should be a first liner based on expectations. He's not and that means he's a bust. It's that simple.

This is just a bad take on hockey and player valuation. Age, defensive acumen, prior opportunity and usage, along with a non-linear development path.. he is not in the bust category by any means. He still has time to grow his game offensively in a new system. Defensively, he's already there.

The term bust is thrown around about as loosely as generational.. it's pretty much lost all meaning at this point. It's like Alexandre Daigle.. was he a disappointment based on his draft position, absolutely.. was he a bust, definitely not. He still had an NHL career where he put up good points totals a number of years, playing over 600 games and putting up 0.53 PPG. Disappointing based on draft position, absolutely.. but that's not a bust and neither is Kakko.

 

[Rschmitz]

Alexandre Daigle carved himself out a little 600 game .5ppg career; but he's also considered the biggest bust in NHL history.

I think it's fair to call Kakko a bust to this point, but another #2 pick, Hedman, was also called a bust after his first four seasons in the league. Kakko can certainly get rid of that tag.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Alexandre Daigle carved himself out a little 600 game .5ppg career; but he's also considered the biggest bust in NHL history.

I think it's fair to call Kakko a bust to this point, but another #2 pick, Hedman, was also called a bust after his first four seasons in the league. Kakko can certainly get rid of that tag.

Hedman scored 20+ points as a defenseman in his first 4 seasons including the 4th which was in a 44 game season? The f*** you talking about he was called a bust?

 

[Rschmitz]

Hedman scored 20+ points as a defenseman in his first 4 seasons including the 4th which was in a 44 game season? The f*** you talking about he was called a bust?

Wow 20+ points


Yes, he was being called a bust. He put up 55 points in 14/15 and that went away.