Proposal: [SEA/MTL] Guhle + Calgary 1st for Matty Beniers + 2nd (Toronto)

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No interest from this Habs fan. We are not interested in subtracting from our core to add to our core.

Up front our projected core is;
Suzuki
Slaf
Caufield
Laine
Demidov

On the back end;
Hutson
Reinbacher
Guhle

These 8 players are clearly who we are building around. No interest in trading any of them, unless it is for a clearly better player. Beniers is not that. That would be lateral. Which does nothing for us.
 
No interest from this Habs fan. We are not interested in subtracting from our core to add to our core.

Up front our projected core is;
Suzuki
Slaf
Caufield
Laine
Demidov

On the back end;
Hutson
Reinbacher
Guhle

These 8 players are clearly who we are building around. No interest in trading any of them, unless it is for a clearly better player. Beniers is not that. That would be lateral. Which does nothing for us.
I agree with you except for Laine. Im not so sure he survives trade deadline day next year
 
In terms of PPG this year Beniers is behind Stephensen,Schwartz, Wright, McCann, Bjorkstrand (gone), Kakko, Eberle, Montour (D), Dunn (D).

He technically wouldn’t be in your top 9 in terms of production despite being given PP1 and on average 20 minutes a night.

At what point do the player start to get some blame for his lack of production?

Probably when they aren’t 22.
 
No interest from this Habs fan. We are not interested in subtracting from our core to add to our core.

Up front our projected core is;
Suzuki
Slaf
Caufield
Laine
Demidov

On the back end;
Hutson
Reinbacher
Guhle

These 8 players are clearly who we are building around. No interest in trading any of them, unless it is for a clearly better player. Beniers is not that. That would be lateral. Which does nothing for us.
Laine shouldn't be there at all.
 
Nah... If that's your assessment, nuff said about your "knowledge" lol

Your homerism is very strong here.

Guhle may have potential #1 upside. That’s a claim that’s at least possible. But he’s in no way playing today at the level of a top 20 D in the entire league. He’s currently more akin to a good #3
 
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Your homerism is very strong here.

Guhle may have potential #1 upside. That’s a claim I take no issue with. But he’s in no way playing today at the level of a top 20 D in the entire league. He’s currently more akin to a good #3
- he's not playing right now, but yes, when he has been healthy, his game is firmly top pairing level. He is the Habs #1 dman at this stage, so it's not just "upside", it's actual level of play(although Hutson may soon change that).

- Top 20 LHD is not the same as top 20D. I would agree that he hasn't played at a top 20 overall D level with anywhere near the consistency to be considered in that group... But he certainly has had stretched of play that would put him there, and if he can string together a few healthy seasons, I won't be surprised at all if he reaches that level.

- Name 20 LHD that you consider to be performing at a higher level this season.
 
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- he's not playing right now, but yes, when he has been healthy, his game is firmly top pairing level. He is the Habs #1 dman at this stage, so it's not just "upside", it's actual level of play(although Hutson may soon change that).

- Top 20 LHD is not the same as top 20D. I would agree that he hasn't played at a top 20 overall D level with anywhere near the consistency to be considered in that group... But he certainly has had stretched of play that would put him there, and if he can string together a few healthy seasons, I won't be surprised at all if he reaches that level.

- Name 20 LHD that you consider to be performing at a higher level this season.
You changed top 20D, to top 20 LD lol.
 
You changed top 20D, to top 20 LD lol.
Nope, just tried to further clarify.
Healthy, Guhle has played at the level of a top 20 #1dman.
- he's not playing right now, but yes, when he has been healthy, his game is firmly top pairing level. He is the Habs #1 dman at this stage, so it's not just "upside", it's actual level of play(although Hutson may soon change that).

- Top 20 LHD is not the same as top 20D. I would agree that he hasn't played at a top 20 overall D level with anywhere near the consistency to be considered in that group... But he certainly has had stretched of play that would put him there, and if he can string together a few healthy seasons, I won't be surprised at all if he reaches that level.

- Name 20 LHD that you consider to be performing at a higher level this season.

Guhle has played at the level of a top 20D.
Guhle has been injured too frequently/not played enough consistent games to reasonably be called a top 20 dman right now
Guhle is clearly a top 20 LHD right now (despite the injury issues).

Does that make it clear enough for you?
 
Hummm,

Did I mentioned that Seattle, drafting 6th right now, are in a position to draft one of the very good young centers available at this year's draft.

For sure they'll be one of Frondell, Desnoyers, O'Brien or even McQueen (listed as a center by some) available for them.

Anyway, probably that this trade proposal would happen at the draft, if it would have to happen.

Just sayin'
 
Never change Habs fans, never change.

Who does this make sense for? Montreal exclusively. And here are fifty reasons why the player we want is actually terrible and we're doing you a favor by taking him.
Habs fans are just saying we don’t want him at the expense of Guhle and no one said Beniers is terrible but it’s true that he hasn’t played at the level of a top 6 for the last two years. Those are just facts
I would not trade Demidov too, but to call Beniers a 40pts center is a bit stupid, like those calling Slaf a 40pts players on the main board. Both have more in them, they are still young.
Slaf has 43 so far this year and put up 50 last year. Calling him a 40 point player would be like calling Beniers a 30 points center
Hopefully it's not as serious for Guhle, but getting cut above the knee with a skate is what led to Landeskog missing the last 3 seasons.
Yep, that’s concerning regarding Guhle. Especially since it took ~ a full year after his cut for Landeskog to start seeing real issues with his knee. It’s something Habs management (and Guhle himself) are probably really worried about right now
 
Does Guhle have the offensive production to be considered a #1D? Not trying to discredit him as I know he’s a stud, but I don’t know it if I see the offensive upside to be considered a #1D

No, he's not an offensive defenseman and may never be, in his best year, he may reach 50 points. I would keep him as a Habs fan, if anything, we need more player like Guhle. Trading your best defenseman for a #2C, is not the way to go.
 
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Does Guhle have the offensive production to be considered a #1D? Not trying to discredit him as I know he’s a stud, but I don’t know it if I see the offensive upside to be considered a #1D
Probably not to become an elite, surefire #1 as off the top of my head the only guy there without the offense is Slavin, maybe Forsling. I think a good comp for Guhle down the line will be Ekholm who I'd say is a more a low end #1 or top of the league #2
 

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