Proposal: Seattle & Montreal: Guhle + Calgary 1st for Matty Beniers + 2nd (Toronto)
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Suggest changing the color of the proposal tag from red so it’s not confused with the confirmed trade tag
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I'm a Kraken fan and I don't think it's a crazy bad trade idea.
Ultimately with Guhle's injury history you won't find a lot of takers though.
The bigger issue right now is that no, the Kraken do not have an overabundance of centers. Beniers in particular is a strong defensive center and Stephenson and Wright are not. Catton might not be a center. And they do have a good number of D-men. Though maybe Dunn gets moved? Most likely they don't make this sort of trade because they're thinking about the near term, the ownership group is not interested in rebuilding. And they would be loathe to move their first pick and one of their more marketable players.
Personally as a fan it looks like an even deal though and might set the Kraken up okay long term if they have complementary plans for center and D.
Ultimately with Guhle's injury history you won't find a lot of takers though.
The bigger issue right now is that no, the Kraken do not have an overabundance of centers. Beniers in particular is a strong defensive center and Stephenson and Wright are not. Catton might not be a center. And they do have a good number of D-men. Though maybe Dunn gets moved? Most likely they don't make this sort of trade because they're thinking about the near term, the ownership group is not interested in rebuilding. And they would be loathe to move their first pick and one of their more marketable players.
Personally as a fan it looks like an even deal though and might set the Kraken up okay long term if they have complementary plans for center and D.
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Comparing Montour and Dunn to Guhle means you don't know what you're talking about.
Guhle is a minute muncher that you put against opposite top players.
1st PK, end of games when 1 up, matching against opposition top players, 23-25 min/game.
He's a beast physically and skate like the wind...
He might be a little bit flying under the radar, but he's certainly a top quality young defenseman, more inclined on the defensive/physical side of the game.
A kind you don't have on the left side in Seattle...
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Seattle signed him to a contract we're not interested in here.
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I don't like this at all for either team. Particularly doesn't make sense for Seattle...but i don't really like the wager from the Habs end either.
Guhle has legitimate top-pair potential, in a guy who can seriously skate and plays a physical brand of hockey. Those guys are invaluable...and he's really not that far from reaching that point. I also don't really see the Habs having the high-end replacement for what Guhle is intended to be for their future blueline. The emergence of Hutson as an offensive D doesn't really eliminate the need for a guy like Guhle down the road as a counterpunch to that. And outside of Hutson and Guhle, Habs defensive depth of prospects/young players is more "quantity" that absolute top-end "quality". Matheson is fine now, but he's not the real long-term answer for a contender down the road.
But all that is rendered irrelevant, because the assessment of Seattle having an expendable Top-6 Center and arguably their best bet at becoming an actual 1C of any sort, is just completely 180 degrees off base from reality. It's far from any kind of guarantee that Catton is going to be anything special at the NHL level at all, and heck...it's not even a slam dunk that he'll be able to hold up as an NHL center (very plausible that he ends up on the wing). In any case...Seattle don't really need to upgrade their defence corps. It's not elite, but they seem pretty content with the sum of it's parts being at least "good enough". What they desperately lack...is high-end offensive talent, and particularly...anybody who looks like they have bonafide #1C potential. Which makes Beniers...about the least tradeable asset on their roster...even if his contract is a risky gamble on growth and development in his scoring rate back on track to previous rates.
Just doesn't really work for either team. Particularly in where they want to go longer-term with their roster construction.
Something around Matheson for Stepheson would be more in line with what makes sense in terms of swapping around veteran "stopgaps"...except for the fact that the Kraken don't need Matheson whatsoever, and Stephenson is still plenty useful to them even if it's just a "center by committee" approach going with a trio of 2Cs.
Guhle has legitimate top-pair potential, in a guy who can seriously skate and plays a physical brand of hockey. Those guys are invaluable...and he's really not that far from reaching that point. I also don't really see the Habs having the high-end replacement for what Guhle is intended to be for their future blueline. The emergence of Hutson as an offensive D doesn't really eliminate the need for a guy like Guhle down the road as a counterpunch to that. And outside of Hutson and Guhle, Habs defensive depth of prospects/young players is more "quantity" that absolute top-end "quality". Matheson is fine now, but he's not the real long-term answer for a contender down the road.
But all that is rendered irrelevant, because the assessment of Seattle having an expendable Top-6 Center and arguably their best bet at becoming an actual 1C of any sort, is just completely 180 degrees off base from reality. It's far from any kind of guarantee that Catton is going to be anything special at the NHL level at all, and heck...it's not even a slam dunk that he'll be able to hold up as an NHL center (very plausible that he ends up on the wing). In any case...Seattle don't really need to upgrade their defence corps. It's not elite, but they seem pretty content with the sum of it's parts being at least "good enough". What they desperately lack...is high-end offensive talent, and particularly...anybody who looks like they have bonafide #1C potential. Which makes Beniers...about the least tradeable asset on their roster...even if his contract is a risky gamble on growth and development in his scoring rate back on track to previous rates.
Just doesn't really work for either team. Particularly in where they want to go longer-term with their roster construction.
Something around Matheson for Stepheson would be more in line with what makes sense in terms of swapping around veteran "stopgaps"...except for the fact that the Kraken don't need Matheson whatsoever, and Stephenson is still plenty useful to them even if it's just a "center by committee" approach going with a trio of 2Cs.
Beniers is one of the underrated bad contracts in the league, 7+m for b2b 40 pt seasons. Hes value should he close to what cozens was.
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Probably have to start with Demidov. Otherwise laughable proposal.
Rob Sense
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injury history? he cut his leg with his own skate...there is no physiological weakness involved...skate...sharp...cuts...heals.
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Colorado just gave up a first and probably a top ten prospect in the league in Ritchie for UFA Brock Nelson. Teams don’t trade young Cs unless there is a legit premium asset coming back.
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Rob Sense
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Philly traded Frost this year
Philly traded Frost this year and Buffalo traded Cozens
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Seattle says no
I love Guhle, I think he's supremely talented and has more than enough the talent required to be a first pair defenseman, but at the end of the day, Dach and him are super unreliable because they are always hurt.
Why would Seattle invest into a player that plays in average 53 games per season?
Has a Habs fan, as much as it pains me to say it, I think that in a near future the Habs will have to put him on LITR, permanently
With Kirby Dach too
I love Guhle, I think he's supremely talented and has more than enough the talent required to be a first pair defenseman, but at the end of the day, Dach and him are super unreliable because they are always hurt.
Why would Seattle invest into a player that plays in average 53 games per season?
Has a Habs fan, as much as it pains me to say it, I think that in a near future the Habs will have to put him on LITR, permanently
With Kirby Dach too
Bouboumaster
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It doesn't start with Demidov.
Some teams have them, but Seattle doesn't have the assets to trade for Demidov.
There's not enough Berniers for them to trade for DemiGod
Agreed . Ideally I think Seattle would prefer to move on from Stephenson if possible , they should be able to fix their defensive needs in the off season via trade , free agency and the draft .
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JianYang
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This is the 2nd time I've seen a guhle proposal recently but they shouldn't be trading him regardless.
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Yeah I get the Habs have a bit of a hole at 2C but imo they need another Guhle, not to get rid of him
Bouboumaster
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It's not like we can even reliably use one lol
I'd trade him, as a Habs fan, if we can get good value for him
It's not a talent thing, as I think he's freakin' great
But he's missing waaaaaaay too much games
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