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and if the offense can't score 3+ goals, all this the "sky is falling because of Scuds is here"... really won't matter will it?
Lesson Learned: Goals are useful!
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and if the offense can't score 3+ goals, all this the "sky is falling because of Scuds is here"... really won't matter will it?
Lesson Learned: Goals are useful!
lexlavender
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kingscups
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nailed it nailer
loving all these knee-jerk reactions though
"Dean is done" "Dean and Darryl have jumped the shark"
I got to admit. I feel trolled
But Dean has been less than golden for bit
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And if it is Quick, and they said he was out 3-4 months, but they use that LTIR space to get someone, it would sort of hint that Quick is done for the year.
If they were to trade for someone, and they're winning months from now, then Quick comes back, you have to account for that cap space, and you have no leverage. If the Kings aren't good, why bother bringing Quick back even if he can go? Just let him sit until September. The more rest for a groin injury, the better. Especially with Quick in his 30's, and wear and tear.
Maybe just 20 minutes of Quick this season.
Can you be surprised that message boards are where fans go to post reactions and vent? Really? What I'm not seeing here is a basic acknowledgement that Sutter and Lombardi's moves recently have done a LOT to undermine faith.
I am not a sky-is-falling person--the team still has a lot of positives despite all the bad trades and injury luck lately--but the acquisition of Scuderi itself was downright irrational. I used to have a lot of trust in Lombardi's trade deadline ability and defense evaluation. That trade broke it. Now nothing would really shock me.
So I have understanding for other fans when the org does weird stuff around Scuderi, in particular. It has been pretty frustrating. Why they weren't clear from the get go, I don't know.
I didn't even know he could do that. DL is teaching me regularly how this cap **** really works. haha But if Scuds isn't actually being recalled, who is? No one?
The kings have to get used to being a average team the next few seasons. They won 2 cups, you should be happy with that. It's time to build the team around Drew Doughty.
AlphaBravo
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Here is an interesting hypo (which I don't suggest will happen but something to thing about).
If Quick is placed on LTIR, it allows the Kings to go $5.7 million above the cap space. If we keep him on LTIR until the playoffs, we can use that cap space to get a top 6 forward or a defenseman.
I am not suggesting that Budaj can replace quick for the season, but if he provides the same average goaltending we have seen from him, we could squeeze into the playoffs--particularly with a solid top 6 forward on Kopitar's line. Any such forward we get, however, would have to be a rental because Quick's full cap hit will be on the books next year.
Then once the playoffs start, if Quick is fully healed, we will have a decent team.
If Quick is placed on LTIR, it allows the Kings to go $5.7 million above the cap space. If we keep him on LTIR until the playoffs, we can use that cap space to get a top 6 forward or a defenseman.
I am not suggesting that Budaj can replace quick for the season, but if he provides the same average goaltending we have seen from him, we could squeeze into the playoffs--particularly with a solid top 6 forward on Kopitar's line. Any such forward we get, however, would have to be a rental because Quick's full cap hit will be on the books next year.
Then once the playoffs start, if Quick is fully healed, we will have a decent team.
trust me I get it. Dead has made some real head scratchers the last few seasons and a lot of fans are on edge about the future, this season in particular with the roster questions and injuries that further compounded those questions, I just think we would all do well to relax a little bit. some of the responses were rational questions which I think are fine, its the hyperbolic doomy stuff that really gets me. its hilarious seeing what some people think/post after a silly little roster move. I still have faith in Dean can do...he's been through the gamut of worst case scenarios the last 2-3 seasons
tsanuri
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It is also flexibility.
We had 3 players on IR counting against the cap. And we were close enough just standard roster moves could be difficult.
This allows the team to call up any player they want from Ontario and not have to consider the cap at the moment.
Or it could be he has a trade coming down the pipe.
I just hope it's the first case not the second.
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tsanuri
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He hasn't said which of them has been moved. Gabbo or Quick either one could be moved. But Quick gives more avail money.
tsanuri
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He should be.
There was talk of sometime in Nov.
Of course with how players are falling around here I have visions of the first day he's back on the ice he hits a rut and is out even longer.
kingscups
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He should be.
There was talk of sometime in Nov.
Of course with how players are falling around here I have visions of the first day he's back on the ice he hits a rut and is out even longer.
"Gaborik suffers a groin injury his first time back on the ice."
That's why. You make the call up move on the same day you move a guy to LTIR. The cap is calculated daily.
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Probably no one since they're at home until next week. Worst comes to worst (and I do mean worst), Scuderi can always be called back up if a d-man gets injured since the Reign are out of the state. I'd bet a d-man gets called up to meet the team in Toronto next week though for their road trip.
Choralone
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I think it's the speed at which hardcore fans can learn about this stuff and vent - due to social media, message boards, etc. - that is part of the issue.
Dean and his crew worked to do the paperwork and such, then responded to questions about it later in the morning. They didn't prepare a press release concurrent with the transaction.
It really is a nothing, minor deal, even if Scud was called up. But in the time gap between transaction and clarification, there was a lot of speculation, recrimination, etc. that in the end wasn't really warranted.
I think a few hours delay between a transaction and an explanation, especially when it involves a 7d / AHL player, is not too long to hold off judgment.
jimmy1100
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Not necessarily. Remember that cap hit is calculated DAILY. Let's say (to keep the #s easy) that Quick has a $6m cap hit and that his LTIR ends exactly half-way through the season. When Quick is removed from LTIR, he will only end up as a (roughly) $3m cap hit (since his cap would only be counted for the half of the season that he's not on LTIR).
I'm not good enough with the math to reverse-figure how much cap hit we could acquire in a trade and then correlate that with the LTIR benefit.
It's similar to how if we had $1m of cap space available all year that went unused, we'd still be able to get a guy with a >$1m cap hit at the trade deadline since he'd only be on our books for a small percentage of the season.
We cannot "bank" that LTIR space for later, but we could acquire someone with a higher cap hit so long as that player's pro-rated cap hit is less than the space we have available when Quick returns (depending on how much season is left when that happens).
*** I am not a CBA expert but this is my layman's understanding of the process***
EDIT: Thinking about this more - I may be wrong. If Quick's cap hit counts the whole time (instead of just when on LTIR) then my point is moot as Quick coming off of LTIR wouldn't change the cap # at all, just remove the LTIR overage that we're allowed. Leaving this post so someone can either confirm or refute this...
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