Scott Wedgewood injured in pain on the ice. Refs don't blow the whistle. Buffalo scores

[1865]

In that circumstance, what was the benefit of pretending to be injured? The puck was in the corner and the goalie was on his back in the net. Never seen a goalie fake an injury when the puck is in a non-threatening position.

You’re welcome to disagree, but we have the benefit of hindsight to clearly see that the player wasn’t able to return to the game. This shows that the ref made the wrong judgement call on the play.

The benefit in his head was likely two fold. Firstly, maybe they call goalie interference and his team gets a powerplay. Secondly, he likely feels they'd blow play dead whilst the opposition have the puck in their zone.

I don't think he's faking it for what it's worth, but you asked the question. There are clear and obvious benefits to staying down. Again, if you start calling play dead whenever a goalie goes down they will do it all the damn time. In reality, let it play out and then review it for goalie int later on if needed.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Right so if the goalie is hurt all he has to do is take his mask off to stop the play. Like I said from the beginning.

There is no side of caution its a professional sport with rules.

Darn, well I guess Wedgewood didn't think to do this last night, probably too busy focusing on a torn ACL or whatever happened to his leg on that play. Maybe next time he'll remember.

 

[Yatzhee]

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Either way it's not in the spirit of the game to score an empty net goal while the goalie is injured

Wedgwood was literally laying in the net, it was hardly empty.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Wedgewood should have ripped his mask off. I have seen other goalies to it in the past.

Right so if the goalie is hurt all he has to do is take his mask off to stop the play. Like I said from the beginning.

When was the last time you’ve seen a goalie take off their mask to stop a play when they’re legitimately hurt?!?

I question if you’ve ever actually been in serious pain. The reason he didn’t rip his mask off was because he was too busy actually being hurt to think of it for crying out loud…

 

[Perratrooper]

Have you not seen goaltenders flop and throw their gloves and sticks out?

The benefit in his head was likely two fold. Firstly, maybe they call goalie interference and his team gets a powerplay. Secondly, he likely feels they'd blow play dead whilst the opposition have the puck in their zone.

I don't think he's faking it for what it's worth, but you asked the question. There are clear and obvious benefits to staying down. Again, if you start calling play dead whenever a goalie goes down they will do it all the damn time. In reality, let it play out and then review it for goalie int later on if needed.

As I said earlier in the thread, I can understand why the ref allowed for the play to continue. I just think it was the wrong judgement call.

When given the opportunity earlier in the game, the refs elected to blow a play dead with a potential injury that the player wasn’t injured on. This was a clear instance where there could be a serious injury and there was no clear scoring opportunity presented to blow the play dead. I get when it’s a net mouth scramble and a bang-bang play, but we often see plays blown dead when the opposing team has the puck.

I think we should error on the side of player safety.

 

[shadow1]

It’s clearly a player safety issue, not sour grapes about the goal (Colorado won the game). Wedgewood could’ve been hit by a shot in an unprotected area, or ran into a second time if a net front scramble ensued. He was injured and helpless on the play.

 

[1865]

As I said earlier in the thread, I can understand why the ref allowed for the play to continue. I just think it was the wrong judgement call.

When given the opportunity earlier in the game, the refs elected to blow a play dead with a potential injury that the player wasn’t injured on. This was a clear instance where there could be a serious injury and there was no clear scoring opportunity presented to blow the play dead. I get when it’s a net mouth scramble and a bang-bang play, but we often see plays blown dead when the opposing team has the puck.

I think we should error on the side of player safety.

You err on this occasion and people will take the piss with it forever. Goalies will always know they can go down and get away with it, and the attack stops.

 

[Yatzhee]

It’s clearly a player safety issue, not sour grapes about the goal (Colorado won the game). Wedgewood could’ve been hit by a shot in an unprotected area, or ran into a second time if a net front scramble ensued. He was injured and helpless on the play.

Player safety issue? Lol
Like the Avs give a shit about player safety.
The Avs were gifted that game by the refs after the incident. Benson was intentionally targeted all night long before the Wedgewood injury. O’Connor. Clearly cross checked Benson in the neck on a face off with clear intent to injure. Should have been a 5 and game ejection with a meeting with DOPS, but no call. Avs however were given a 5 on 3 right after Wedgwood. Just thank the refs and move along.

 

[shadow1]

Player safety issue? Lol
Like the Avs give a shit about player safety.
The Avs were gifted that game by the refs after the incident. Benson was intentionally targeted all night long before the Wedgewood injury. O’Connor. Clearly cross checked Benson in the neck on a face off with clear intent to injure. Should have been a 5 and game ejection with a meeting with DOPS, but no call. Avs however were given a 5 on 3 right after Wedgwood. Just thank the refs and move along.

Colorado was gifted the game the moment the schedule read “Buffalo Sabres.”

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Have you not seen goaltenders flop and throw their gloves and sticks out?

Rarely, and the NHL should counter the acting with a similar response to concussion protocols. Force the goalie to be removed.

It is unimaginable that anyone watched this and thought it might be acting. There was no benefit to the team or goalie....

 

[Yatzhee]

Colorado was gifted the game the moment the schedule read “Buffalo Sabres.”

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Lol, trash, no trash, it doesn’t change the facts of what happened. Ava players are as dirty as the rest, win or lose. They could care less about player safety and actively participate in intent to injure on ice events. You nor anyone else can change the video of O’Connors attack on Benson. Lol

 

[benfranklin]

He may... and does it say he must. Does it anywhere else say what reason he may decide to stop the play or not stop the play based on?

I just see this as... Wedgewood was not in MORE danger because the play went on 3 seconds.

The ref was right there, obviously the linesman issue doesn't apply the Ref is literally on the back of the net looking at the situation. I don't get your thought here, if you think a linesman dropped the ball is a legitimate thing to say in this situation when you highlight the, undetected part.

Because a player is seriously hurt... is not enough reason, just as is, to blow a play dead. It's out of safety concern that it could get worse you blow the play dead.

The Ben Bishop clip posted is just like this. There is little to no risk at the player on the ice to continue the play. A slapper likely hitting the pads is not a big play stopping injury risk. If there was a scrum, there is significant injury risk. You do not seem to be thinking of the REASON for the situational call. Which is what I guess is happening with people thinking it would be okay to not call it off, if it was a scrum at the net. The reason is to lessen risk of further injury.


Did Bednar scream at the refs about that and maybe convince them to act differently???

So mask comes off the and play is instantly called dead for fear of injury, but player is actually injured, play on. Makes perfect sense.

 

[toddkaz]

Darn, well I guess Wedgewood didn't think to do this last night, probably too busy focusing on a torn ACL or whatever happened to his leg on that play. Maybe next time he'll remember.

Perhaps Wedgewood should have a word with his team for injuring him

 

[BlueOil]

Fair on this case, but it shouldn’t take possession to be involved when an injury is at play. It’s been called without the play being touched before by the team with the injury. Wildly inconsistent and frankly dangerous.

You’re putting players safety in danger when it’s clearly a serious one in this case. Taking a note from Bednar’s presser, but by that rule what would have stopped Buffalo from taking a 100mph slapper from the point? They’re playing to the whistle, but why?

it should take gaining possession to stop play for your own reasons. buffalo doesn't need that play to stop, only the avs do. they're playing to the whistle to be fair to both teams. i'm not surprised bednar advocated for his team in his presser, but in no way is that fair logic to implement for the league and the minute the avs are on the other side of this coin, that will make sense.

injury, even to the goalie, is part of the game and the goalie has more padding than anyone out there. if it's too dangerous for him to be injured on the ice and unprepared for a shot, then you should also be advocating they stop play every time a less padded forward or defenseman gets hurt blocking a shot. that same 100mph slapper would hurt them more than the goalie in most cases, but no one's going to want to see the game played like that either.

it's sucky situation when the only guy in your net goes down, better get that puck quick to limit the damage and every player on the team knows that already.

 

[benfranklin]

Lmao I hadn’t gone back and watched the celly. That’s what everyone is upset about?

People whining about the celebration are just looking for something to complain about because they know the refs called it right.

Youve obviously never played hockey. You dont go ham celebrating an empty net and even worse over a corpse you just scored on. Any player with any heart would hate that celebration.

it should take gaining possession to stop play for your own reasons. buffalo doesn't need that play to stop, only the avs do. they're playing to the whistle to be fair to both teams. i'm not surprised bednar advocated for his team in his presser, but in no way is that fair logic to implement for the league and the minute the avs are on the other side of this coin, that will make sense.

injury, even to the goalie, is part of the game and the goalie has more padding than anyone out there. if it's too dangerous for him to be injured on the ice and unprepared for a shot, then you should also be advocating they stop play every time a less padded forward or defenseman gets hurt blocking a shot. that same 100mph slapper would hurt them more than the goalie in most cases, but no one's going to want to see the game played like that either.

it's sucky situation when the only guy in your net goes down, better get that puck quick to limit the damage and every player on the team knows that already.

He and we are simply asking for consistency. The refs immediately stopped the play earlier in the game when Dahlin did some stupid turtle off a hit in the neutral zone.

This is not a good look for anyone.

 

[Muffin]

Player safety issue? Lol
Like the Avs give a shit about player safety.
The Avs were gifted that game by the refs after the incident. Benson was intentionally targeted all night long before the Wedgewood injury. O’Connor. Clearly cross checked Benson in the neck on a face off with clear intent to injure. Should have been a 5 and game ejection with a meeting with DOPS, but no call. Avs however were given a 5 on 3 right after Wedgwood. Just thank the refs and move along.

Buffalo had a two goal lead with like 2 minutes to go and you're really blaming the refs lmao? They had a 3 goal lead, a gimme goal , a called back goal that was 1 inch offside and they still lost the game.

Did the refs make you give up 2 goals with the goalie pulled?

 

[BlueOil]

He and we are simply asking for consistency. The refs immediately stopped the play earlier in the game when Dahlin did some stupid turtle off a hit in the neutral zone.

This is not a good look for anyone.

the refs were being consistent. they waited until byram touched the puck to blow it dead...

Earlier in the game Dahlin gets "hurt" by that I mean he was perfectly fine after acting hurt on nothing hit and the refs immediately called the play dead even though the Avs had the puck and were heading towards the attacking end. Buffalo never touched the puck before it was blown dead

a) it was not blown dead immediately
b) it was blown dead when byram touched the puck
c) byram now plays for buffalo

 

[Avsfan1921]

Perhaps Wedgewood should have a word with his team for injuring him

Is this talk supposed to happen before or after he should have thrown his mask off to ensure the whistle?

 

[shadow1]

Lol, trash, no trash, it doesn’t change the facts of what happened. Ava players are as dirty as the rest, win or lose. They could care less about player safety and actively participate in intent to injure on ice events. You nor anyone else can change the video of O’Connors attack on Benson. Lol

Your perspective is askew and no one is going to change that.

You’re talking about a 2 minute minor as though it’s the Marty McSorley/Donald Brashear incident.

Maybe a fine will come, but I wouldn’t hold my breath on an in-person hearing.

 

[ClydeLee]

So mask comes off the and play is instantly called dead for fear of injury, but player is actually injured, play on. Makes perfect sense.

Yes, it absolutely makes sense. The goal is preventative injury or stopping play if the danger/risk is too high. A goalie without a mask on is at a high danger of getting hurt. Wedgewood IS HURT, but there is not a major danger to Wedgewood getting more hurt in this situation.

What do you not get? Wedgewood was not in major risk for further injury... how specifically is Wedgewood likely to get more hurt than any other moment if the Ref, you posted the shot, he is right there looking. What action is likely to cause further injury? The Ref see him, it's not like its a head injury/bleeding injury that need immediate medical support. There's no way his injury is getting worse 4 seconds later than it is as he is looking. He can't change time and stop the injury.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Buffalo had a two goal lead with like 2 minutes to go and you're really blaming the refs lmao? They had a 3 goal lead, a gimme goal , a called back goal that was 1 inch offside and they still lost the game.

I think they are fully aware of how terrible the Sabres are and that any half a period of full effort by the opposition means an L.

But the Avs wouldn't have bothered showing up in the third if not for the refs.

 

[MaKarter]

Benson is going straight for the blue paint right at the goalie, as he should because that's how you score goals in the NHL. It's a strategy used by every NHL team. The fact is if you are driving the net and going at the goalies, they will eventually get hit and hurt. It's hockey. Ask Avs fans what they think about the horrible things Calle Rosen did to his teammate Binnington.

That being said, if a goalie gets hurt because players are playing hockey to close to them, blow the whistle.

 

[Auston Marlander]

Ya I dunno I'm all over the place now with this ruling honestly.

Only consistent thing is that the calls are inconsistent.

That's the issue, it's too subjective.

Not a perfect fix but something like, if the goose goes down with an injury they cannot continue the game, if they do it's either 2 minutes for embellishment or a goal if on a scoring chance. That allows the refs to blow the play down, and prevents goalies from faking an injury.

As for the skate blade issue. I don't care which way they go, just be consistent. Either it's never blown down or always blown down.

 

[BlueOil]

When given the opportunity earlier in the game, the refs elected to blow a play dead with a potential injury that the player wasn’t injured on. This was a clear instance where there could be a serious injury and there was no clear scoring opportunity presented to blow the play dead. I get when it’s a net mouth scramble and a bang-bang play, but we often see plays blown dead when the opposing team has the puck.

they blew it dead for dahlin because byram touched the puck. same thing would've happened for wedgewood if the avs had touched the puck.

 

[JoeSakic13]

it should take gaining possession to stop play for your own reasons. buffalo doesn't need that play to stop, only the avs do. they're playing to the whistle to be fair to both teams. i'm not surprised bednar advocated for his team in his presser, but in no way is that fair logic to implement for the league and the minute the avs are on the other side of this coin, that will make sense.

injury, even to the goalie, is part of the game and the goalie has more padding than anyone out there. if it's too dangerous for him to be injured on the ice and unprepared for a shot, then you should also be advocating they stop play every time a less padded forward or defenseman gets hurt blocking a shot. that same 100mph slapper would hurt them more than the goalie in most cases, but no one's going to want to see the game played like that either.

it's sucky situation when the only guy in your net goes down, better get that puck quick to limit the damage and every player on the team knows that already.

Sorry I’m not going to put nearly as much effort into my reply, but I disagree entirely.

I’m confident that in flipped scenarios I would feel it should be a goal called back for Colorado.