Scott Wedgewood injured in pain on the ice. Refs don't blow the whistle. Buffalo scores

SherVaughn30

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They did, and after a very short review the ref had a rather sassy “no goaltender interference” ruling.

Hope Wedgewood is ok, but that looked unfortunate. Maybe just a sprain?

Woulda understood if the refs blew it, but they didn’t, the f*** do you want Benny to do?
From the looks of it. it could be a high ankle sprain or fracture which could lead to an injury status of week to week or month to month. Wedgewood just had about 200 lbs fall onto his right side of his lower leg above the ankle. Imagine your ankle being buckled inward(because the skate blade digs into the ice) while having 200 lbs + force, fall on your outside leg above the ankle. This could be like a double injury and significant IR time.
 

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"Falls' with a magical force.

The commentator clearly explains the RULES. Colorado has to regain possession for the whistle to blow.

Wedgewood should have ripped his mask off. I have seen other goalies to it in the past.

Refs blow injuries down all the time with the defending team not having the puck. This is seen in this exact game with Rantanen’s hit on Dahlin.

Rule 206(a) states that If a player's injury is serious enough to stop play, the referee or linesman can stop play immediately. I don’t think the goalie, who is clearly in pain, should have to take his mask off to get the play to be blown dead.
 
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How do you and many people think that would be better? Seen a few other comments like that.

Wedgewood would actually be in danger to worsen his injury in that scenario. VS this where the Ref is right there, and he has no danger around him. There is far less threat of player safety to letting this play out vs a scrum at the netfront, THAT is when you assess, this can get worse easily and blow it dead.

I am seriously strongly baffled. Multiple people have said this... And the video is right there, it was 3-4 seconds from contact to goal. This reaction is insane to me.
Obviously no one is saying let that happen. Its more to counter the argument that an imminent scoring chance was about to occur which would be the case in the slot/crease. This wasnt the case and the ref couldve deemed a serious injury has occurred superseding the Avalanche gaining possession. The puck went into the corner and another 5-7 seconds ticked off before the goal, but the moron ref was too busy getting out of the way of a wrap around to notice the goaltender screaming in pain on his back.

It is in the rulebook two different ways and all four of the linesman dropped the ball.

A.
Rule 8 – Injured Players
When a player is injured so that he cannot continue play or go to his bench, the play shall not be stopped until the injured player’s team has secured control of the puck. If the player’s team is in control of the puck at the time of injury, play shall be stopped immediately unless his team is in a scoring position. In the case where it is obvious that a player has sustained a serious injury, the Referee and/or Linesperson may stop the play immediately.

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32.5 Stopping Play - The Linesperson shall stop play:
(i) When premature substitution of the goalkeeper has occurred Rule 71
(ii) When he deems that a player has sustained a serious injury and this has gone undetected by either of the Referees Rule 8
(iii) For encroachment into the face-off area R
 

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ripping your mask off would or should be a 2 minute minor for delay of game
Its not.

Refs blow injuries down all the time with the defending team not having the puck. This is seen in this exact game with Rantanen’s hit on Dahlin.

Rule 206(a) states that If a player's injury is serious enough to stop play, the referee or linesman can stop play immediately. I don’t think the goalie, who is clearly in pain, should have to take his mask off to get the play to be blown dead.
Cool story, its the refs discretion. Colorado needed to regain possession. If it was up to you a goalie could just fall to the ground and roll around and then he gets a stop in play even if he is not injured.



So the play is legal.
 

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happens, can't blame fans for not liking it, but until you get possession, it don't matter


First play I thought of, and it does seem rather arbitrary considering the refs have stopped play under identical circumstances depending on the injury.

Last night, much like the Bishop injury, they chose to let the play continue and it led to a goal. :help:

Its not.


Cool story, its the refs discretion. Colorado needed to regain possession.

So the play is legal.

I could've swore Dwayne Roloson used to get dinged for this one all the time.....I distinctly remember him shaking his mask off any time there was pressure in the Oilers end. :laugh:
 

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First play I thought of, and it does seem rather arbitrary considering the refs have stopped play under identical circumstances depending on the injury.

Last night, much like the Bishop injury, they chose to let the play continue and it led to a goal. :help:



I could've swore Dwayne Roloson used to get dinged for this one all the time.....I distinctly remember him shaking his mask off any time there was pressure in the Oilers end. :laugh:
So lets go over this. Ripping your mast off is a two minute penalty but if a goalie wants to stop the play he can just fall to the ground and roll around pretending to be injured and the ref will blow the whistle and thats perfectly fine.

Logical and makes perfect sense.
 

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They blew it dead earlier this very game when Dahlin went down. The fact that it wasn’t is more of a testament to how inconsistent the call in that situation is than anything else. Benson played to the whistle, as you should, but there should have been a whistle.
they blew it dead when byram touched the puck after rantanen's hit. so they were actually being consistent.
 

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Its not.


Cool story, its the refs discretion. Colorado needed to regain possession.

So the play is legal.

Never said the play wasn’t legal, just disagree with the refs choice or discretion on a clear injury.

The cool story was the comeback, the rules are a matter of fact lmao
 

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Never said the play wasn’t legal, just disagree with the refs choice or discretion on a clear injury.

The cool story was the comeback, the rules are a matter of fact lmao
"on a clear injury"

Players pretend to be injured almost every game. Some even made a career out of it. Was in Kovalev who dropped to the ground every time someone touched him?
 
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they blew it dead when byram touched the puck after rantanen's hit. so they were actually being consistent.
Fair on this case, but it shouldn’t take possession to be involved when an injury is at play. It’s been called without the play being touched before by the team with the injury. Wildly inconsistent and frankly dangerous.

You’re putting players safety in danger when it’s clearly a serious one in this case. Taking a note from Bednar’s presser, but by that rule what would have stopped Buffalo from taking a 100mph slapper from the point? They’re playing to the whistle, but why?
 
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Obviously no one is saying let that happen. Its more to counter the argument that an imminent scoring chance was about to occur which would be the case in the slot/crease. This wasnt the case and the ref couldve deemed a serious injury has occurred superseding the Avalanche gaining possession. The puck went into the corner and another 5-7 seconds ticked off before the goal, but the moron ref was too busy getting out of the way of a wrap around to notice the goaltender screaming in pain on his back.

It is in the rulebook two different ways and all four of the linesman dropped the ball.

A.
Rule 8 – Injured Players
When a player is injured so that he cannot continue play or go to his bench, the play shall not be stopped until the injured player’s team has secured control of the puck. If the player’s team is in control of the puck at the time of injury, play shall be stopped immediately unless his team is in a scoring position. In the case where it is obvious that a player has sustained a serious injury, the Referee and/or Linesperson may stop the play immediately.

B.
32.5 Stopping Play - The Linesperson shall stop play:
(i) When premature substitution of the goalkeeper has occurred Rule 71
(ii) When he deems that a player has sustained a serious injury and this has gone undetected by either of the Referees Rule 8
(iii) For encroachment into the face-off area R

The reality is this play simply doesn't rise to the level of "serious injury" consistent with how it's usually called. Obviously refs aren't perfect and I'm sure there are examples of it being called differently but by and large they've been fairly consistent over the past few years with only stopping play when its a potential head injury or very rarely for more extreme cases of non-head injuries.

Guys go down with leg injuries without a whistle all the time. The only reason this is particularly notable is because it's the goalie and it resulted in a goal.
 

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So lets go over this. Ripping your mast off is a two minute penalty but if a goalie wants to stop the play he can just fall to the ground and roll around pretending to be injured and the ref will blow the whistle and thats perfectly fine.

Logical and makes perfect sense.

I'd much rather see a forced stoppage in play if a player is legit hurt, negating a possible scoring chance, then take a "let them play, he's probably faking" approach every time a player goes down.

Err on the side of caution, y'know? And hey, if the player pops right back up after the whistle, the ref can call for embellishment.

Doesn't really seem like that was the case last night with Wedgewood though, does it? Or do you think he was "pretending to be injured" too?
 

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Other than it being completely classless by Benson, the big issue I have with it is there is no consistency.

Earlier in the game Dahlin gets "hurt" by that I mean he was perfectly fine after acting hurt on nothing hit and the refs immediately called the play dead even though the Avs had the puck and were heading towards the attacking end. Buffalo never touched the puck before it was blown dead

But then a goalie actually gets hurt is clearly in pain on the ice and not getting up immediately and they allow the play to continue and Buffalo is allowed to put a puck into an empty net because the Avs didn't touch it. It's f***ing garbage. And if you are on the team where you see an opposing goalie down and out due to injury either stop yourself or give the other team the puck. It's the right thing to do, scoring on a net with an injured goalie is simply trashy. You're a professional earn your goals. I'd say the same thing if my team was the one putting the puck in the net. It's just trashy.

How the goalie got hurt is irrelevant. If you see any player clearly hurt just blow the play dead no matter who has the puck. What if in this situation the puck goes up the boards instead and someone like Thompson is there and wires a 100mph shot towards the net? Then all sorts of super dangerous things could happen to a player who can't protect themselves. Luckily for the NHL a guy just casually put it into the open net and no further injuries occured.
 

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I'd much rather see a forced stoppage in play if a player is legit hurt, negating a possible scoring chance, then take a "let them play, he's probably faking" approach every time a player goes down.

Err on the side of caution, y'know? And hey, if the player pops right back up after the whistle, the ref can call for embellishment.

Doesn't really seem like that was the case last night with Wedgewood though, does it?
Right so if the goalie is hurt all he has to do is take his mask off to stop the play. Like I said from the beginning.

There is no side of caution its a professional sport with rules.
 

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Obviously no one is saying let that happen. Its more to counter the argument that an imminent scoring chance was about to occur which would be the case in the slot/crease. This wasnt the case and the ref couldve deemed a serious injury has occurred superseding the Avalanche gaining possession. The puck went into the corner and another 5-7 seconds ticked off before the goal, but the moron ref was too busy getting out of the way of a wrap around to notice the goaltender screaming in pain on his back.

It is in the rulebook two different ways and all four of the linesman dropped the ball.

A.
Rule 8 – Injured Players
When a player is injured so that he cannot continue play or go to his bench, the play shall not be stopped until the injured player’s team has secured control of the puck. If the player’s team is in control of the puck at the time of injury, play shall be stopped immediately unless his team is in a scoring position. In the case where it is obvious that a player has sustained a serious injury, the Referee and/or Linesperson may stop the play immediately.

B.
32.5 Stopping Play - The Linesperson shall stop play:
(i) When premature substitution of the goalkeeper has occurred Rule 71
(ii) When he deems that a player has sustained a serious injury and this has gone undetected by either of the Referees Rule 8
(iii) For encroachment into the face-off area R
He may... and does it say he must. Does it anywhere else say what reason he may decide to stop the play or not stop the play based on?

I just see this as... Wedgewood was not in MORE danger because the play went on 3 seconds.

The ref was right there, obviously the linesman issue doesn't apply the Ref is literally on the back of the net looking at the situation. I don't get your thought here, if you think a linesman dropped the ball is a legitimate thing to say in this situation when you highlight the, undetected part.

Because a player is seriously hurt... is not enough reason, just as is, to blow a play dead. It's out of safety concern that it could get worse you blow the play dead.

The Ben Bishop clip posted is just like this. There is little to no risk at the player on the ice to continue the play. A slapper likely hitting the pads is not a big play stopping injury risk. If there was a scrum, there is significant injury risk. You do not seem to be thinking of the REASON for the situational call. Which is what I guess is happening with people thinking it would be okay to not call it off, if it was a scrum at the net. The reason is to lessen risk of further injury.

Other than it being completely classless by Benson, the big issue I have with it is there is no consistency.

Earlier in the game Dahlin gets "hurt" by that I mean he was perfectly fine after acting hurt on nothing hit and the refs immediately called the play dead even though the Avs had the puck and were heading towards the attacking end. Buffalo never touched the puck before it was blown dead

But then a goalie actually gets hurt is clearly in pain on the ice and not getting up immediately and they allow the play to continue and Buffalo is allowed to put a puck into an empty net because the Avs didn't touch it. It's f***ing garbage. And if you are on the team where you see an opposing goalie down and out due to injury either stop yourself or give the other team the puck. It's the right thing to do, scoring on a net with an injured goalie is simply trashy. You're a professional earn your goals. I'd say the same thing if my team was the one putting the puck in the net. It's just trashy.

How the goalie got hurt is irrelevant. If you see any player clearly hurt just blow the play dead no matter who has the puck. What if in this situation the puck goes up the boards instead and someone like Thompson is there and wires a 100mph shot towards the net? Then all sorts of super dangerous things could happen to a player who can't protect themselves. Luckily for the NHL a guy just casually put it into the open net and no further injuries occured.
Did Bednar scream at the refs about that and maybe convince them to act differently???
 
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"on a clear injury"

Players pretend to be injured almost every game.

In that circumstance, what was the benefit of pretending to be injured? The puck was in the corner and the goalie was on his back in the net. Never seen a goalie fake an injury when the puck is in a non-threatening position.

You’re welcome to disagree, but we have the benefit of hindsight to clearly see that the player wasn’t able to return to the game. This shows that the ref made the wrong judgement call on the play.
 
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They did, and after a very short review the ref had a rather sassy “no goaltender interference” ruling.

Hope Wedgewood is ok, but that looked unfortunate. Maybe just a sprain?

Woulda understood if the refs blew it, but they didn’t, the f*** do you want Benny to do?

And why should Buffalo be penalised because Kelly (i think?) checked a player into his own goalie? This whole thread is full of nonsense.

The right call was made.
 

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My main objection to the non-call is that Wedgewood is super vulnerable on the ice in the net, he is completely unable to protect himself from pucks. The gentle tap in goal could just have easily been a slap shot bomb from the point and could have resulted in an even more serious injury. If the goalie is down in the net, you should err on the side of caution and protect the player.

The series of events that lead to the injury aren't relevant for assessing the injury itself. The player is either injured or they are not, the fact that Kelly bumped the sabre player doesn't make the injury any less real. No one is calling for the Sabres to receive a G.I. penalty, that's not the call that was missed.
 

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In that circumstance, what was the benefit of pretending to be injured? The puck was in the corner and the goalie was on his back in the net. Never seen a goalie fake an injury when the puck is in a non-threatening position.

You’re welcome to disagree, but we have the benefit of hindsight to clearly see that the player wasn’t able to return to the game. This shows that the ref made the wrong judgement call on the play.
Have you not seen goaltenders flop and throw their gloves and sticks out?
 
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Correct call - thanks for the thread tho.

Maybe we should rename it to O’Connor crosschecking Benson in the neck off the draw
Exactly.
Benson was targeted all game. The Avs player actually lifted his leg to trip and upend Benson, right in to Wedgwood unfortunately. If anything, the Avs are a piece of shit for their actions.
 
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Benson technically did nothing wrong, but that whole sequence was poor sportsmanship. Glad he got to stat pad.
 

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