DaveG
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Watch them play Zykov with McDavid now
Waived: Scott Darling and Valentin Zykov
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Anton Dubinchuk
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I was wrong and you were right.
You said Zykov would get his numbers inflated by the best player in the world. I said he’d play with Crosby.
Cardiac Jerks
Asinine & immoral
Is Rattie still playing with him? He turned a few games next to McJesus into a new contract.
If they do, his lack of foot speed will be even more exposed.
bleedgreen
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He was wanted. Ouch a little. I don’t think he’s a good fit for Mcdavid 5v5 but he could do some damage on the pp. Could be rough watching that. Imagine not being good enough to play on our pp (or mediocre no offense team) after a 30 goal season in the AHL and a good call up late last year to being an important part of the oilers pp......
WreckingCrew
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You really have to wonder if there was something else going on there. I mean, no he didn't exactly "earn" 1st line time next to Aho-TT, but he was also never really given a chance to prove where he belonged because he was used so sparingly. Even if he doesn't break out, it would have been nice to see him get a real chance to earn a spot somewhere vs playing him on the 4th line for a few minutes per night and misusing him on the PP before saying "he didn't earn it". Svech has shown flashes of brilliance as well that have gone completely wasted because his linemates are Walmart and Martinook...not that they're bad players, they're great 4th liners, but they're not on the same level Svech should be. Keep playing him there and he'll never get a chance to earn more either.
Captain Pilsner
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Oilers fan coming to learn about Zykov. He may get a chance with McDavid (everybody does) but I wouldn't expect it to last long, especially if he is slow as I have read here. Appears to be a decent depth guy, based on your comments. May get some PP2 time, anything can happen with Hitchcock in charge (an improvement from predictable McLellan, in my books).
Best of luck to your team this year!
Best of luck to your team this year!
bleedgreen
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I’d argue Svech at times early on hadn't earned anything either, but it didn’t matter with him. I think Rod just didn’t like something about Zykov, and wasn’t going to get anywhere here.
The Faulker 27
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I feel like most people including Velluci are confused at the Zykov situation. It doesn't make much sense for Rod to have not played him, and then make a comment about how he needs playing time. What the actual f*** is he doing, then?
Rod loves himself some grinders. The downside to the "try hard" coach, I suppose.
Rod loves himself some grinders. The downside to the "try hard" coach, I suppose.
bleedgreen
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He lacks open ice skating generally, not very mobile laterally and it takes a little time to get up to speed.
That’s his real flaw. To me it was more the lack of mobility than speed. He doesn’t change direction very quickly, to be fair though he looked better this year like he had worked on it.
He’s very good playing the NHL cycle game. Very good hands, sees the play well and can make good plays in tight spaces. He’s a great finisher around the net. Redirects and rebounds, as well as a very good shot. Below the dots in the offensive zone he’s pretty solid. Everywhere else he’s a question mark. It’s borderline embarrassing we lost him on waivers depending on how he does with you guys obviously. Brind’Amour wouldn’t play him. We don’t understand why, he looked pretty legit last year and aside from a slow start when everyone else started hot he didn’t do anything wrong. He never got a second chance.
Captain Pilsner
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Awesome, thanks for further analysis. Sounds like he'll fit in with Lucic (minus the good hands part hahaha). We can relate over here to a coach mismanaging youngsters, but Rod's still a beauty
Drivebytrucker
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Lempo’s idea of the NHL forcing Zykov to waivers deserves a media question. The conditioning stint was sketchy. It seems like Zykov had demand, there is no reason he shouldn’t have gotten a minor asset in a trade.
bleedgreen
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As JR said, “when you’re drowning other gm’s throw you anvils not life preservers” or something to that effect. There’s no way we didn’t shop the guy, obviously no one offered something we would take. Why now for waivers? Well they had already sent him down for the conditioning stint to buy time, and now he’s just keeping a roster spot.
Maybe this weekend has a reason for why now, otherwise I’m guessing Rod said he isn’t going to play him anytime soon without injuries or even with. Then you waive him. There’s no way we didn’t call around shopping him though.
All interested parties likely knew they had a shot for waivers.
Maybe this weekend has a reason for why now, otherwise I’m guessing Rod said he isn’t going to play him anytime soon without injuries or even with. Then you waive him. There’s no way we didn’t call around shopping him though.
All interested parties likely knew they had a shot for waivers.
HisIceness
This is Hurricanes Hockey
Rod and his "grit and grind" style is going to cause us to mismanage/lose and neuter the development of players. I'm not excited for this. Zykov isn't setting the world on fire but with the right linemates he could have been a 20-30 point guy here, plus he had a nose for the net. This team needs all the points it can get.
But nah, we don't need no net front prescense and pesky potential for 30 points a season, we got to grind our way to win damn it!
But nah, we don't need no net front prescense and pesky potential for 30 points a season, we got to grind our way to win damn it!
Lempo
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Pure speculation obviously. His allowed 14 days were up anyway.
I don't know if the League actually would semi-unofficially tell a team to sort out any questionable stuff themselves voluntarily before the League makes it an official issue.
Oil fan just wanted to ask something. Why did you guys waive Zykov? He had 7 points in 10 games for you guys. Small sample size but what was the problem other than his skating?
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But getting a net front presence and playing hard on the puck is the definition of a grinder's game. That's exactly what Rod wants, and what Zykov would provide (based on the game's we saw of him).
That's why I think there was something else going on behind the scenes that fans aren't privy to. It didn't sound like Rod was too broken up over the possibility of losing him, and there was no reason (that the fans could see) why the likes of PDG and Bishop were getting looks instead of Zykov.
Gottta assume there was an issue, either with his practices, in the locker room, or something else that caused the organization to sour on him so quickly.
Also worth noting that Zykov was originally a King's prospect, and LA had waiver priority before Edmonton. So they intentionally passed up on reaquiring the guy.
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AD Skinner
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RTFM.... now that's an abbreviation I've not seen in a long time
Drivebytrucker
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I feel like Rod isnt being given the opportunity by this board to build his team the way he wants.
Nobody remembers Martin Frk, Ty Rattie, Nestrasil, Chris Terry, and all the other tweener players who have been given a shot over the years and haven't performed. Chances are nobody is going to remember Zykov either.
So Rod likes PDG on the 4th line? Maurice loved Chad Larose too.. Our teams success or failure isn't going to come down to that.
Nobody remembers Martin Frk, Ty Rattie, Nestrasil, Chris Terry, and all the other tweener players who have been given a shot over the years and haven't performed. Chances are nobody is going to remember Zykov either.
So Rod likes PDG on the 4th line? Maurice loved Chad Larose too.. Our teams success or failure isn't going to come down to that.
Anton Dubinchuk
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For those Oilers fans asking about Zykov, I'm sure you'll get a lot of "he has no mobility and that limits his effectiveness." That's 100% true.
But as for his pros, its scoring around the net. Net front anything. A really strong man. Aside from Nic Wallin, I don't know that I've ever seen a more immovable player along the boards and behind the net. In his few showings with the Canes, I saw more reverse hits than I can remember any other Cane throwing (again except Wallin). Shrugged off defenders on the boards like they were pre-teens. Not a big man, but a bowling ball.
His skating is bad enough that it neutralizes a lot of his effectiveness. Were he an average NHL skater he could be a 25-30 goal scorer, IMO. If he's on McDavid's line, he'd be nothing but the trailer on the rush. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing because he's got a good shot, but I'd bet McDavid would feel like he's lugging him up and down the ice.
But as for his pros, its scoring around the net. Net front anything. A really strong man. Aside from Nic Wallin, I don't know that I've ever seen a more immovable player along the boards and behind the net. In his few showings with the Canes, I saw more reverse hits than I can remember any other Cane throwing (again except Wallin). Shrugged off defenders on the boards like they were pre-teens. Not a big man, but a bowling ball.
His skating is bad enough that it neutralizes a lot of his effectiveness. Were he an average NHL skater he could be a 25-30 goal scorer, IMO. If he's on McDavid's line, he'd be nothing but the trailer on the rush. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing because he's got a good shot, but I'd bet McDavid would feel like he's lugging him up and down the ice.
bleedgreen
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Didn’t he have a one way or something like that? Maybe that played a role in other teams interest, probably expected us to take a problem back for him.
Still, he played well enough to get the contract from the current regime....why the hell not give him more chances? You signed him to it for a reason.
Still, he played well enough to get the contract from the current regime....why the hell not give him more chances? You signed him to it for a reason.
At the league minimum. I can't imagine there are more than a handful of teams leaguewide for which his one-way contract would have been an issue.
The number of teams passing on him says more about how the league views his skating than anything else, imo. It's now a skating league. Unless a team is trying to play slow, heavy hockey, there's only so many spots in a lineup for a player like Zykov.
