Waived: Scott Darling and Valentin Zykov

[Lempo]

Could Zykov be a player-friendly move? He toiled away in AHL his time, got a cup of coffee in the end of last season and signed for two more on the June 29th. Maybe there was a handshake understanding that if there's no spot available in Canes roster he be let try his luck elsewhere.

He was shopped around early November, but it didn't happen.

Valentin Zykov Assigned To AHL On Conditioning Loan
November 13th, 2018 at 8:43am CST • By Gavin Lee
Earlier this month the Carolina Hurricanes were testing the trade market for young forward Valentin Zykov, but apparently haven’t found a taker yet. Instead, the team today announced they will assign Zykov to the minor leagues on a conditioning loan, allowing him to get back on the ice with a professional team instead of watching from the press box or end of the bench. The 23-year old forward has played in 13 games for the Hurricanes this season, but is averaging fewer than 10 minutes of ice time. He’ll now get a chance to get his development back on track with the Charlotte Checkers.

Valentin Zykov Assigned To AHL On Conditioning Loan

 

[Lempo]

13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.

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The time's up for the condition loan for Zykov.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Nope. Zykov will score more after the Canes than he did with them, just like Skinner and Lindholm, and we'll find some way to rationalize it. Because admitting that the team horribly misused the talent on the roster and gave it away, ending up even shorter on talent and goalscoring would be too much.

#TakeWarning #Deadvolution

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Clearly, there's been something going on behind the scenes with regards to Zykov. As mentioned a few times, he's not really looked out of place in the games he's played in, and he's put up the numbers in his limited use. No reason for this organization to turn that away unless there's another factor at play.

 

[DaveG]

The annoying thing for me re Zykov is that now with Rask healthy he actually would be a good center for Zykov and Andrei. Instead we waive Zykov, just... Makes no sense.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

Valentin Zykov
Drayson Bowman
Zac Dalpe
Zac Boychuk
Chris Terry
Andrej Nestrasil
Jerome Samson


Tell me which AHL goal scoring prospect the Canes have dumped over the last 10 years has proven us wrong....

 

[Vagrant]

zykov needed to be cleared from the depth rotation. my preseason fears about him being on a streak of really positive results skewed perception. his shot generation, assist distribution, and lack of obvious separation from the rest of the competition spoke to a player that was getting some good fortune while playing essentially the same game he was the year prior and shooting 10% better. you reach a point of diminishing returns with prospects and i can't project a better version of zykov in ways that he could reasonably improve. when you have players that are considered his competition for nhl icetime just wrecking the minors in ways that nhl players stand out when playing down a level, you have to address it. pdg is also pretty redundant in that regard. he needs to find waivers soon. i think as soon as one of kuokkanen, roy, gauthier, etc. looks ready enough you'll see that move made. zykov was basically auditioning for his own job with his conditioning assignment. suffice it to say it seems that didn't go well. zykov being russian adds that extra layer of potential fomo. i wish him last season's luck moving forward, as he will almost undoubtedly be claimed by a team trying to squeeze the orange for goal scoring.

the darling move was symbolic, but not insignificant. it projects our intent pretty clearly. mrazek and mcstarter need to be aware of their roles and having darling doing emotional rehab was clouding the waters a bit. no malice on my part. those feelings have long since passed. it's just good to not have to worry about his recovery anymore as it pertains to our success or lack thereof. he seems like a good enough guy, so i hope he can deal with whatever problems are causing his decline and be happy again.... but the hockey aspect of his situation has been resoundingly resolved.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I don't love losing Zykov, but there are things to keep in mind. First of all, there are tons of players that get waived every year that people shout from the roof tops that they will get claimed. They often don't. Second, I'm thinking there were several of these conversations from the teams that waived 4A players like Rattie and Frk, and it just turns out that they aren't that good. It's possible he's a great AHL player, but doesn't have all the tools to put it together in the NHL regularly. He played well last year, and poorly this year.

That being said, I of course would have preferred that we put him in a better position to succeed this year, so we knew if that was the case for ourselves. I'm just saying, it's not a lock he'll be great wherever he ends up. He could end up claimed by a much worse team than us, and still not play with great talent in a great role. Or he just may not be that good. I wish him success if he gets claimed.

 

[WhalerCane]

Valentin Zykov
Drayson Bowman
Zac Dalpe
Zac Boychuk
Chris Terry
Andrej Nestrasil
Jerome Samson


Tell me which AHL goal scoring prospect the Canes have dumped over the last 10 years has proven us wrong....

None of em!

BTW, love that profile pic. My first Canes Alumni game, you can bet your ass I'm bringing that up to Mr. Ward.
"Luuucy, you got some 'splainin to doooo"

 

[Lempo]

I don't love losing Zykov, but there are things to keep in mind. First of all, there are tons of players that get waived every year that people shout from the roof tops that they will get claimed. They often don't. Second, I'm thinking there were several of these conversations from the teams that waived 4A players like Rattie and Frk, and it just turns out that they aren't that good. It's possible he's a great AHL player, but doesn't have all the tools to put it together in the NHL regularly. He played well last year, and poorly this year.

That being said, I of course would have preferred that we put him in a better position to succeed this year, so we knew if that was the case for ourselves. I'm just saying, it's not a lock he'll be great wherever he ends up. He could end up claimed by a much worse team than us, and still not play with great talent in a great role. Or he just may not be that good. I wish him success if he gets claimed.

Good points here.

Also, if he gets claimed he hasn't cleared the waivers and the receiving team can't send him down but needs to have a roster spot for him. It limits the claiming somewhat.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Something's going on. No need to waive a player for no reason.

 

[Incubajerks]

Won't lose sleep over Z. I like Brock and Victor togheter but please give them someone who can put a puck in the net. I am sorry for Filippo and Luciano but I want see someone else with them.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Something's going on. No need to waive a player for no reason.

RALEIGH, NC
"We are pleased to announce, after weeks of strenuous talks, to have acquired Maple Leafs forward....

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Zach Hymen! We feel Zach will immensely and immediately contribute to both the on ice success and the locker room culture we're building in Carolina!"

 

[Lempo]

Something's going on. No need to waive a player for no reason.

The condition loan time limit being up is a reason, if they don't want him back in the NHL. Maybe they need the roster room.

It's also not impossible that the commissioner may have deemed behind the scenes that it wasn't legit usage of the condition loan in Zykov's case and demands waiving him now.

 

[GoldiFox]

Something's going on. No need to waive a player for no reason.

Didn’t they waive PDG earlier in the year for no reason other than to call up another AHLer? That move could just be Bishop headed back up.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I had forgotten that Zykov was on a one way deal. Makes it interesting, with all the trade talk lately.

 

[Lempo]

RALEIGH, NC
"We are pleased to announce, after weeks of strenuous talks, to have acquired Maple Leafs forward....

....

....


Zach Hymen! We feel Zach will immensely and immediately contribute to both the on ice success and the locker room culture we're building in Carolina!"

Having Hymen and Pu would turn Canes into the Rowan Atkinson headmaster sketch.

 

[Chrispy]

Valentin Zykov
Drayson Bowman
Zac Dalpe
Zac Boychuk
Chris Terry
Andrej Nestrasil
Jerome Samson


Tell me which AHL goal scoring prospect the Canes have dumped over the last 10 years has proven us wrong....

Riley Nash? Probably the best counter I can come up with even if he wasn't a "goal scoring" prospect, and even he maxed out last season with 41 points with the Bruins and is crashing back to Earth this year.

 

[BHD]

Riley Nash? Probably the best counter I can come up with even if he wasn't a "goal scoring" prospect, and even he maxed out last season with 41 points with the Bruins and is crashing back to Earth this year.

"THAT'S HOCKEY, BABY!!!"

 

[Primetime8]

Riley Nash? Probably the best counter I can come up with even if he wasn't a "goal scoring" prospect, and even he maxed out last season with 41 points with the Bruins and is crashing back to Earth this year.

I can't believe CBJ gave him a three year deal. 0 goals 2 assists so far.

 

[GoldiFox]

The condition loan time limit being up is a reason, if they don't want him back in the NHL. Maybe they need the roster room.

It's also not impossible that the commissioner may have deemed behind the scenes that it wasn't legit usage of the condition loan in Zykov's case and demands waiving him now.

Interesting concept with the forced waiver scenario. I have no idea how the conditioning stints work but Zykov’s seemed a bit out of the ordinary. Rod’s comments were just an explanation of waivers which would also be the league’s concern in this case.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Well, since we put Darling on waivers, that clears a roster spot, right? But I guess if they want to keep, say, Jake Bean up for a stretch, they still need more roster space.

I mean, fundamentally I'm not against it. Probably Saarela and/or Kuokkanen deserve a look at this point, and there's nothing about Z that says to me he's clearly better than either of them right now. I just thought that with Darling going on waivers, we had an extra spot.

 

[Negan4Coach]

My appologies if this has been answered before, but can Darling be sent to the Everblades?

 

[TheBigKahuna]

My appologies if this has been answered before, but can Darling be sent to the Everblades?

Why, did they piss you off?

 

[HisIceness]

Off-topic. Florida Everblades is one of the coolest names in minor-league sports. I will fight you if you disagree.