Schenn hit on Scheifele

[STL fan in MN]

And there you go:

 

[WeWentBlues]

Anyone have the hit by Stanley on Kyrou from Game 2?

 

[tbcwpg]

I didn't expect any discipline, if Scheifele left right after that hit then maybe, but he didn't.

Wild that some people say it was 100% clean though, he left his feet before he made contact. It's a definite penalty on the ice.

 

[Gizmoskevich]

And there you go:

BRB, gonna check Colin Campbell's family tree to see who works for the Blues. I was told this is how it works.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Nice hit. Thanks.

 

[khoss]

Schenn should be awarded two free penalties to take in the next game since he shouldn't have been given anything on this hit.

so no different than the way it is refed now

 

[CupofOil]

That was a great hit right through the shoulders although he did leave his feet a bit so a 2 minute roughing sure, Schiefele needs to not admire the puck and keep his head up.

 

[Leafs87]

Ekblad hit was an elbow to the head. This was maybe late, but clean hit to the chest otherwise.

 

[AvroArrow]

2 for charging, can't leave your feet like that. It's borderline interference, but in the playoffs that much of a delayed hit always goes. Can't leave your feet like that.

I don't think it's like the Ekblad hit, he hit him in the chest area. 2 min is fair, suspending that would be a joke.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Seems like players are starting to adjust to avoid headshots while hitting as high and late as legally possible these playoffs. Issuing the damage without being suspended.

NHL is going to have a difficult time since the entire sport is designed around clean, heavy hits and there is not much they can do about these hits without removing hitting.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Looks a lot like the Ekblad hit to me. Right to the head, leaves his feet, Scheifele is hurt. How many games?

It’s exactly like the ekblad hit if you remove the fore arm to the head and head contact.


Honestly it looks like a good hard hit.

 

[STL fan in MN]

2 for charging, can't leave your feet like that. It's borderline interference, but in the playoffs that much of a delayed hit always goes. Can't leave your feet like that.

I don't think it's like the Ekblad hit, he hit him in the chest area. 2 min is fair, suspending that would be a joke.

Agree 2 min would’ve been fair but Schenn got 4 min on the play. 2 for interference (which was wrong but I’d agree with 2 for charging) and then 2 for roughing. Not sure what the Roughing call was for? Him being jumped by multiple Jets players?

 

[WeWentBlues]

The hypocrisy in here. No penalty was called on this play and Kyrou didn't have the puck either. And it looks like contact was made with the head. Its been a physical series. The hit by Schenn should not have been penalized based on the standard the refs have set for the series.


Puck is long gone here

Contact with the head

 

[surixon]

And there you go:

Not surprised as the league is a joke but it is what it is.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Not surprised as the league is a joke but it is what it is.

lol ok. I may regret asking but why do you think it should be a suspension?

 

[jokesondee]

The hypocrisy in here. No penalty was called on this play and Kyrou didn't have the puck either. And it looks like contact was made with the head. Its been a physical series. The hit by Schenn should not have been penalized based on the standard the refs have set for the series.


Puck is long gone here
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Contact with the head
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Puck still in Kyrou's feet. Shoulder to shoulder. Stanley didnt leave his feet.

 

[surixon]

lol ok. I may regret asking but why do you think it should be a suspension?

Late hit and clearly predatory and left his feet and player is injured. Seems like that has resulted in a number of players being suspended in this round already on different teams. So yeah I think it warrants a game but knew we wouldn't gwt the same treatment.

 

[King Woodballs]

The wheel of justice landed in f*** dem Jets.
Shocker

 

[STL fan in MN]

The hypocrisy in here. No penalty was called on this play and Kyrou didn't have the puck either. And it looks like contact was made with the head. Its been a physical series. The hit by Schenn should not have been penalized based on the standard the refs have set for the series.


Puck is long gone here
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Contact with the head
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Let’s not play this game. The puck was not “long gone”. A player doesn’t have to still be touching the puck to be eligible to be hit. Generally, a hit isn’t considered late until it’s been 2 seconds since the puck left the player’s stick. It had left Kyrou’s stick less than 1 second before Stanley clobbered him.

I could possibly see head contact though. Hard to see though as Stanley is so huge he takes up almost the entire screen and you can’t really see Kyrou’s head.

But overall, I thought this was a thunderous but mostly clean hit. What you’d expect to seen when a 6’6” 230 lbs freight train slams into a 6’0” 190 lbs finesse player.

 

[stl76]

That is an interesting shot of it, albeit not all the angles the nhl has so we’ll see, video and live it’s harder to tell exactly but as I say that still picture is interesting. It was very close either way to leaving his feet so hard to tell on video. As I said originally I doubt the nhl does anything and my opinion hasn’t changed. Thanks

You’re right, it’s extremely close. I don’t blame you and other jets fans for watching in real time and freaking out about the hit and I don’t blame the refs for calling a penalty in real time. But I do think it’s a clean hit and I think it’s important to push back on some of the takes in this thread. People calling for suspensions or saying it’s the worst hit of the playoffs are completely out to lunch.

Also, don’t want to come off as an internet tough guy - I am not a tough guy in real life and I don’t play one on the internet…but Scheifele has got to be more aware of what’s happening on the ice. He plays the puck and is eligible to be hit there. The Blues have clearly made a point of hitting him whenever they can. How was he not more ready for a hit?

 

[tbcwpg]

Agree 2 min would’ve been fair but Schenn got 4 min on the play. 2 for interference (which was wrong but I’d agree with 2 for charging) and then 2 for roughing. Not sure what the Roughing call was for? Him being jumped by multiple Jets players?

The roughing was for after. Classic refereeing, try to calm it down by taking people out of the pile to the box but it not actually accomplishing anything.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Late hit and clearly predatory and left his feet and player is injured. Seems like that has resulted in a number of players being suspended in this round already on different teams. So yeah I think it warrants a game but knew we wouldn't gwt the same treatment.

Late how? Scheifele had just deflected the puck a split second before Schenn clobbered him. Wasn’t even interference IMO. You generally get about 2 seconds before a hit is considered “late”. This wasn’t even close to that IMO.

Was it predatory? Yup. But please go find that in the rule book. What Schenn did was not nice. Scheifele barely played the puck. He swatted at it and got a piece of it to deflect the puck into Parayko’s shinguards. But that technically made him eligible to be hit. Did he expect a hit there? Probably not. Did Schenn take advantage of Scheifele barely playing the puck and target him? Absolutely. It wasn’t nice. But it also wasn’t against the rules as the way they’re written.

And even if you disagree Scheifele played the puck and would thus be interference, there was still no head contact so not really close to the other plays in these playoffs that resulted in suspensions.

Regarding the player being injured…was he? On that play? He popped right up and then continued playing the rest of the period. He then got rocked at least one more time by Faksa before exiting the game. If he was injured on that play, why was he still playing after? I think there’s a good chance he was injured on that play and then didn’t leave the game until he was rocked a 2nd time but with the optics we have (him popping right back up and staying in the game), there’s no way the league can definitively say he was injured on that play. Easily could’ve been the Faksa hit or a companion of hits.

 

[stl76]

I didn't expect any discipline, if Scheifele left right after that hit then maybe, but he didn't.

Wild that some people say it was 100% clean though, he left his feet before he made contact. It's a definite penalty on the ice.

That’s just not true.

It's close, but Schenn's right foot is on the ice at impact.

 

[WeWentBlues]

Let’s not play this game. The puck was not “long gone”. A player doesn’t have to still be touching the puck to be eligible to be hit. Generally, a hit isn’t considered late until it’s been 2 seconds since the puck left the player’s stick. It had left Kyrou’s stick less than 1 second before Stanley clobbered him.

I could possibly see head contact though. Hard to see though as Stanley is so huge he takes up almost the entire screen and you can’t really see Kyrou’s head.

But overall, I thought this was a thunderous but mostly clean hit. What you’d expect to seen when a 6’6” 230 lbs freight train slams into a 6’0” 190 lbs finesse player.

I didn't have a problem with the hit. Just like I didn't have a problem with the Schenn hit. Scheifele touched the puck as well. Either both plays are a penalty for interference or neither are. That was my point.

 

[surixon]

Late how? Scheifele had just deflected the puck a split second before Schenn clobbered him. Wasn’t even interference IMO. You generally get about 2 seconds before a hit is considered “late”. This wasn’t even close to that IMO.

Was it predatory? Yup. But please go find that in the rule book. What Schenn did was not nice. Scheifele barely played the puck. He swatted at it and got a piece of it to deflect the puck onto Parayko’s shinguards. But that technically made him eligible to be hit. Did he expect a hit there? Probably not. Did Schenn take advantage of Scheifele barely playing the puck and target him? Absolutely. It wasn’t nice. But it also wasn’t against the rules as the way they’re written.

And even if you disagree Scheifele played the puck, there was still no head contact so not really close to the other plays in these playoffs that resulted in suspensions.

Regarding the player being injured…was he? On that play? He popped right up and then continued playing the rest of the period. He then got rocked at least one more time by Faksa before exiting the game. If he was injured on that play, why was he still playing after? I think there’s a good chance he was injured on that play and then didn’t leave the game until he was rocked a 2nd time but with the optics we have (him popping right back up and staying in the game), there’s no way the league can say he was injured on that play. Easily could’ve been the Faksa hit or a companion of hits.

You are free to your opinion, I don't agree, It was a clear charge from the blind side and we saw that Tampa guy get suspended on interference hit where there was no head contact. Head contact isn't a requirement for discipline.