Confirmed with Link: Canucks announce HC Rick Tocchet will Not Return

[Canucker]

Everything is too f***ing expensive. Everything. Except for mobile data, oddly enough.

Agreed. And middle class wages have not followed suit.

 

[Attack Vector]

How Tocchet’s star has fallen. Last year Coach of the Year, he leaves for greener personal pastures and is immediately turned into a heel.

It's because this fanbase has major cope issues.

 

[LuckyDay]

This is Patrick Allvin's team now. The "core" is virtually gone. Tocchet was good at getting players to play defense (Miller) and it was reconstructed around that. Those who couldn't were moved on (Kuzmenko). Horvat, who was committed to the team and gave it his all found a conflict in Miller and moved on. Miller, who was always a head case, was ultimately trades for M Petterson. Boeser is likely to go. EP is made of glass. Demko as well now. Hughes may be on the fence without Tocchet. Zadorov's good year was squandered for $400k and an extra year (he played good on an even worse team).
This team is not Tocchet's anymore. Our stars are not there or not shining and our depth forwards have stepped up. Its got shades of the Crawford era where good players are gone by questionable means but somehow that left room for players to grow.
We need to replace what we lost in Miller, Horvat, and EP, and hopefully Joshua returns to form.

 

[bossram]

because we all wore rose colored glasses and let this punk into the organization

thats the reality. u reap what u sow and we got what we deserved. drama horse shit

I've held this position for a long time, with (lack of) respect to most Canucks fans.

The general Canucks fan population is getting what they deserve. They've cheered and praised mediocrity/incompetence forever, and ran out of town the only recent GM of any intelligence this team had (Gillis). It took until almost the end of Benning's tenure for most fans to finally recognize he was bad.

Yeah, unfortunately most Canucks fans get what they ask for. They want a mediocre dysfunctional franchise, and that is what is delivered.

 

[Dana Murzyn]

When the team was first coached by Rick Tocchet,
its record shot up like a rocket.
But "embrace the hard"
proved to be a canard.
He was happy to talk but not walk it.

 

[Canucker]

I've held this position for a long time, with (lack of) respect to most Canucks fans.

The general Canucks fan population is getting what they deserve. They've cheered and praised mediocrity/incompetence forever, and ran out of town the only recent GM of any intelligence this team had (Gillis). It took until almost the end of Benning's tenure for most fans to finally recognize he was bad.

Yeah, unfortunately most Canucks fans get what they ask for. They want a mediocre dysfunctional franchise, and that is what is delivered.

Fans really didn't run off Gillis, ownership did. The fans turned on Gillis because he was following through with the Aquilini desires to "keep on keepin on" instead of rebuilding/retooling. Can't run off an owner but can run a GM off, even though it was the owner who deserved it. And I think a large contingent of fans hated Jimbo, but it was Aquilini who kept signing his paychecks, year after disasterous year.

 

[quat]

I've held this position for a long time, with (lack of) respect to most Canucks fans.

The general Canucks fan population is getting what they deserve. They've cheered and praised mediocrity/incompetence forever, and ran out of town the only recent GM of any intelligence this team had (Gillis). It took until almost the end of Benning's tenure for most fans to finally recognize he was bad.

Yeah, unfortunately most Canucks fans get what they ask for. They want a mediocre dysfunctional franchise, and that is what is delivered.

This presupposes, does it not, that other, successful fanbases are paragons of virtue?

Shall we cast our eyes to the East and consider the Edmonton Oilers and their five cups and presently icing two of the top players in the league?

How about three cup winner, the Chicago Black Hawks?

Yeah, I think the fan base has zero to do with the quality of, or the success of the team. The Canucks have simply had a shitty, radically unsuccessful franchise for the vast majority of its life in the league.

I will say, there's likely more pressure to succeed in the Canadian market, which may work against actually winning a cup, although that's conjecture built on a foundation of no cups won by Canadian teams for decades.

Anyhow, I think we reflexively hunt for scape goats, and the fan base seems an easy target.

I completely agree about the ridiculousness of canning Gillis, but I'd say that's entirely on Blueberries massive hubris and not because of whining fans.

As posted earlier, if management knows Quinn is leaving, they'd be best served trading him at his highest value, build the forwards with whatever you get from that trade and get Willander signed.

A new coach and this gives the team a fighting chance forward. If Quinn plans on staying, then I think they can build a little slower.

 

[bossram]

Fans really didn't run off Gillis, ownership did. The fans turned on Gillis because he was following through with the Aquilini desires to "keep on keepin on" instead of rebuilding/retooling. Can't run off an owner but can run a GM off, even though it was the owner who deserved it. And I think a large contingent of fans hated Jimbo, but it was Aquilini who kept signing his paychecks, year after disasterous year.

The arena literally chanted "fire Gillis". I don't know how else you want to interpret that.

The average casual fan was a massive Jim Benning supporter. It was hard to talk about the Canucks to friends who were casual fans at that time, because it was like they were living in an alternate reality.

 

[iceburg]

When the team was first coached by Rick Tocchet,
its record shot up like a rocket.
But "embrace the hard"
proved to be a canard.
He was happy to talk but not walk it.

There once was a coach named Tocchet
Who refused to put cash in his pocket
So he left one day
Led Quinn astray
Buying tickets is now off the docket


Did I do that right?

 

[bossram]

This presupposes, does it not, that other, successful fanbases are paragons of virtue?

Shall we cast our eyes to the East and consider the Edmonton Oilers and their five cups and presently icing two of the top players in the league?

How about three cup winner, the Chicago Black Hawks?

Yeah, I think the fan base has zero to do with the quality of, or the success of the team. The Canucks have simply had a shitty, radically unsuccessful franchise for the vast majority of its life in the league.

I will say, there's likely more pressure to succeed in the Canadian market, which may work against actually winning a cup, although that's conjecture built on a foundation of no cups won by Canadian teams for decades.

Anyhow, I think we reflexively hunt for scape goats, and the fan base seems an easy target.

I completely agree about the ridiculousness of canning Gillis, but I'd say that's entirely on Blueberries massive hubris and not because of whining fans.

Re Gillis: The arena chanted "fire Gillis" and he was gone like two days later. I don't know how else you want to interpret that.

Lot of other fan bases are shitty, absolutely. But the casuals in Vancouver don't just tolerate, they seem to proactively support high levels of mediocrity. Chicago fan support wanes a ton when they are bad, and EDM fans are pretty vocal about their displeasure (it's more the MSM in EDM that are water carriers for the club).

 

[Canucker]

The arena literally chanted "fire Gillis". I don't know how else you want to interpret that.

The average casual fan was a massive Jim Benning supporter. It was hard to talk about the Canucks to friends who were casual fans at that time, because it was like they were living in an alternate reality.

If they chanted "Fire Aquilini" where would that have gotten them?

Yeah, I had a different experience...It was rare for me to find people who liked Jim Benning...there were more of them than there should have been, but the majority of people who I interacted with either absolutely hated him or were pretty ambivalent towards him because they were casual fans.

 

[Zippgunn]

It seems pretty obvious to me - he was tampered with. No way a Coach leaves a situation in the NHL with a very good offer in front of him in the hopes he’ll land a better gig. Coaching jobs are very competitive.

He almost certainly has already been promised a position and salary. Gross.

Yes the Great Conspiracy has done us in again.

 

[Zippgunn]

Don't wish this to seem like an attack, but you got Green's resume wrong. He was never on Long Island. He left Vancouver to become an assistant coach for the NJ Devils under Ruff for the '23-24 season.

He became the interim head coach of the New Jersey Devils in the latter part of that same season after Lindy Ruff was fired. He was not hired for the head caching job in NJ after sucking as the interim.

During the off season he was then signed as the head coach of the Ottawa Senators for '24-25 and led them to the Playoffs this season. His first success as an NHL head coach after flopping with the Canucks and Devils..

Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then...

 

[Zippgunn]

More like Tocchet was always a heel, and people here just ignored it cause he was winning. Tocchet is a decent coach and had success so people were willing to look past the fact that he's a convicted felon that had to literally purge his twitter because there would have been an uproar if the casual fans knew what kind of person he is.

I'm loving this. Look, on the list of most reprehensable people ever to work for the Canucks Tocchet barely makes the top ten...

 

[bossram]

If they chanted "Fire Aquilini" where would that have gotten them?

Yeah, I had a different experience...It was rare for me to find people who liked Jim Benning...there were more of them than there should have been, but the majority of people who I interacted with either absolutely hated him or were pretty ambivalent towards him because they were casual fans.

Well no. But they could chant "sell the team", which is something we've heard in other arenas and pro sports stadiums. They didn't. It was "fire Gillis". There's really no other way to interpret this. You're stretching.

Idk. From my experience, the general fan consensus on Benning and moves like Sutter, Gudbranson, Eriksson, OEL, etc. (when they happened) was that they thought they were good. Even on HFCanucks at the time, there were a lot of supporters of those moves.

 

[sting101]

Some of what you say here has merit. But running down trans people and acting as if they are a 'problem' for us 'hard working people to own homes' is mindless recitation of American right wing talking points.
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I don't think it reflects well on ownership or the direction of the franchise that they wanted Tocchet and he chose to leave.

With that said, I'm withholding judgment until I see the next step. I do think that Tocchet was aligned with a particular kind of player and a particular kind of play style and perhaps was limited in his ability to integrate and mentor other skillsets or personality types.

I know he was a MAGA guy, and the gambling stuff in 06 is a bad look. There are things many of us had to look past to appreciate him for finally bringing a sense of competence to this team.

We could bring in a coach who is a better overall fit, I don't think Tocchet is infallible.

I also think it looks bad on him that after a difficult year interpersonally, you know like one where a coach actually has to coach, he bails on the franchise.

I wasn't running down trans people. Just highlighted some examples of "people in charge" that are ok with using yours and my money to fund and support programs that could be seen as unethical previously illegal or problematic.

Tocchet being a felon after being "involved with gambling" is somewhat ironic considering our tax dollars are used to fund these "legal" collection projects today here in Canada and some here are wanting to use it to throw hate like he's such a shitty person because he was involved in it 20yrs ago.

Anyhoo moving on from that (knew i might light a fire tee hee)....What Quinn decides to do here is hardly on Tocchet and almost equally important and more considering Tocchet runs the forwards not the defence is how Pettersson and the coach are able to connect. Tocchet im certain reflected on that and other things relating to training facilities management ownership and how they dealt with the last year and decided he would be better off somewhere else where he could be fully invested and happy.

As i've said it sucks but it's the right move. As a 40 fan you should be happy and considering Hughes supported 40 don't be so certain that Hughes is purely a Tocchet guy he just respected and admired his effort as his coach here. Severing a bad relationship takes guts and if you are not invested in your short life why waste everyone's time. That is a hard non selfish thing sometimes to do. I don't fully know nobody does at this time but it's over we know that

Lots of people here have been critical of Tocchet and his style and it's crazy now that some of those same are throwing shade as he heads out the door and for others show some class. It's weird reading hate and derogatory statements from people judging right and wrong. A great human once wrote "as i walked out the gates to freedom i knew if i didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind i would still be in prison". So why?

He was gracious and thankful worked his ass off and tried to instil winning work ethics and compete here. Coaches cant make everyone happy they have to choose a style and path. His is somewhere else now and an opportunity for another comes. I'm more concerned with the lack of continuity at the top of the organization. So many issues remain.

 

[LuckyDay]

I'm loving this. Look, on the list of most reprehensable people ever to work for the Canucks Tocchet barely makes the top ten...

hit me

 

[Brookbank]

I've held this position for a long time, with (lack of) respect to most Canucks fans.

The general Canucks fan population is getting what they deserve. They've cheered and praised mediocrity/incompetence forever, and ran out of town the only recent GM of any intelligence this team had (Gillis). It took until almost the end of Benning's tenure for most fans to finally recognize he was bad.

Yeah, unfortunately most Canucks fans get what they ask for. They want a mediocre dysfunctional franchise, and that is what is delivered.

What a load of dross. Almost everyone from the hardcore fans to the casual Charlies knows what the problem is. And that is ownership. And a lot of fans just cheer for the team anyway. Because that is what fans do.

You are a closeted Devils fan

 

[Brookbank]

Tocchet was playing petty GM when he was here. He is responsible for the Joshua contract. And responsible for getting rid of Bouvillier, Kuzmenko et al. He tried his best to get rid of Petterson. Thank God Carolina chose Rantanen. Otherwise we'd have a glorified Mikeyev with literally no centers.

Tocchet walking will be a blessing in disguise.

 

[bossram]

What a load of dross. Almost everyone from the hardcore fans to the casual Charlies knows what the problem is. And that is ownership. And a lot of fans just cheer for the team anyway. Because that is what fans do.

You are a closeted Devils fan

Someone was a BenningBro. Guess I touched a nerve. And I mean, no. Most casual fans have no idea what's going on.

Yeah, I like the Devils. I spend some time on their boards (pretty much since they drafted Jack). They have some interesting players. "Closeted Devils fan". Is that supposed to be an insult? LOL.

 

[Brookbank]

Someone was a BenningBro. Guess I touched a nerve. And I mean, no. Most casual fans have no idea what's going on.

Yeah, I like the Devils. I spend some time on their boards (pretty much since they drafted Jack). They have some interesting players. Is that supposed to be an insult? LOL.

I never watched Loui Erikkson play a game. I stopped watching hockey all together for those years.

As I said, you really are a Devils fan. And not a Canucks fan. What do you think would happen if I went to the Devils board and insulted Devils fans ?

 

[quat]

Re Gillis: The arena chanted "fire Gillis" and he was gone like two days later. I don't know how else you want to interpret that.

Lot of other fan bases are shitty, absolutely. But the casuals in Vancouver don't just tolerate, they seem to proactively support high levels of mediocrity. Chicago fan support wanes a ton when they are bad, and EDM fans are pretty vocal about their displeasure (it's more the MSM in EDM that are water carriers for the club).

Fans eventually, and publically, called out Benning and yet Blueberries refused to act. The final straw seemed to be after eight years of abject failure (in totality), and the hiring of a plane flying a fire Benning sign.

To me this shows that Franky used fan behaviour as an excuse for doing whatever he wanted. I don't think it was the motivation.

Gillis wanted a rebuild and Ownership didn't, so they set him up to fail and then fired him when convenient. That's how it seemed to me. I'm not questioning your recall of the events or how bad the fan base is. I'm somewhat of an example of knee jerk responses myself, although that's usually due to in game reaction.

 

[racerjoe]

That really never sat right with me at all. Bruce was a mid coach but they publicly humiliated him.

I didn't like it... but it was on ownership. It was obvious he wasn't our managements teams coach and they didn't want to bring him back.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Zadorov gone + Cole gone + Pettersson fitness level + Joshua’s diagnosis + Demkos injury ++

And now this off season they only need to find 3 legitimate top six forwards, a new head coach, and determine a way to not piss off their blue chip prospect.

JT Miller going nuclear, quitting on the team and demanding a trade.

 

[Canucker]

Well no. But they could chant "sell the team", which is something we've heard in other arenas and pro sports stadiums. They didn't. It was "fire Gillis". There's really no other way to interpret this. You're stretching.

Idk. From my experience, the general fan consensus on Benning and moves like Sutter, Gudbranson, Eriksson, OEL, etc. (when they happened) was they they thought they were good. Even on HFCanucks at the time, there were a lot of supporters of those moves.

Well...I can speak only for myself, I loved Gillis until the 2012 trade deadline, then the shine started wearing off for me...but when it became clear he was leading us down a path of no hope I was ok with firing him, only because it was untenable. I wasn't chanting it or anything, but I was ok with change...little did I know what was on the horizon. If I knew we'd have 8 years of Jim Benning I would have gladly kept Gillis because at least he was intelligent.

I wouldn't say there was a "lot" of supporters, but there definitely was a small contingent of Benning Bro's who were pretty confident he was playing 5D Chess, instead of the reality that he was actually eating the checkers pieces he was playing with.