Prospect Info: Sawyer Mynio: 89th Overall 2023 Draft (Seattle) - LD

[Chaos Giraffe]

I think the Canucks could weaponize their cap space if they're going to trade Mynio+1st.

Act as a broker in a 3-way trade and take on salary. I think they're going to have roughly 13 million at the deadline, and there's no player they could possibly acquire that would need that much.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I think the Canucks could weaponize their cap space if they're going to trade Mynio+1st.

Act as a broker in a 3-way trade and take on salary. I think they're going to have roughly 13 million at the deadline, and there's no player they could possibly acquire that would need that much.

Or do what smart teams do. These prospects will not return what their true value is. There is every indication that KK, Mynio and Re-petey are worth way more than there trade value right now. Just like EP40 and JTM are trending less (though the end return for JTM is actually looking pretty good - namely Chetl MEP DO'C) trade when their value is high. Like brewski last year, though in the end was not worth while for a rental.

Anyhow, lets see how we do ...

 

[F A N]

Or do what smart teams do. These prospects will not return what their true value is. There is every indication that KK, Mynio and Re-petey are worth way more than there trade value right now. Just like EP40 and JTM are trending less (though the end return for JTM is actually looking pretty good - namely Chetl MEP DO'C) trade when their value is high. Like brewski last year, though in the end was not worth while for a rental.

Anyhow, lets see how we do ...

I was listening to a clip from S&P and I'm not sure where they got their info from but they were saying that the Canucks would rather trade their 1st than to give up Mynio, D-Petey, or Kudryavtsev. I found that very interesting.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I was listening to a clip from S&P and I'm not sure where they got their info from but they were saying that the Canucks would rather trade their 1st than to give up Mynio, D-Petey, or Kudryavtsev. I found that very interesting.

I don't disagree. All 3 are on a nice trajectory, each with their own "flavour". But at this point, EP2 is looking like he's going to be a stud.

 

[logan5]

I was listening to a clip from S&P and I'm not sure where they got their info from but they were saying that the Canucks would rather trade their 1st than to give up Mynio, D-Petey, or Kudryavtsev. I found that very interesting.

Yes, I would be very interested to know where that info came from, because what this implies is that Mynio and Kudryavtsev are both more valuable than a top 20 1st round pick. If other GM's see it that way as well, we have some incredibly valuable assets to acquire higher end forwards.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I was listening to a clip from S&P and I'm not sure where they got their info from but they were saying that the Canucks would rather trade their 1st than to give up Mynio, D-Petey, or Kudryavtsev. I found that very interesting.

I personally find this stupid.

Upcoming draft has a ton of C prospects and IMO, mgmt should hold onto their 1st to replenish the prospect depth at C.

That’s not to say we should just give one of our better defensive prospects away, but there needs to be a balance to make the team continually competitive going forward.

 

[Blue and Green]

I cannot believe that Kudryavtsev is considered to be worth as much as their 1st, internally or externally. Would be questionable with Mynio who is a fine 3rd-round pick but has done nothing that wouldn't be expected from a 14th-20th overall. And LD is the one position where the Canucks have some actual quality prospect depth and can afford to trade one.

Smacks of misinterpretation by the radio guys.

 

[RobsonStreet]

I cannot believe that Kudryavtsev is considered to be worth as much as their 1st, internally or externally. Would be questionable with Mynio who is a fine 3rd-round pick but has done nothing that wouldn't be expected from a 14th-20th overall. And LD is the one position where the Canucks have some actual quality prospect depth and can afford to trade one.

Smacks of misinterpretation by the radio guys.

It may just be that picks are fungible in a way that prospects are not. GMs that mostly agree on the value of a late 1st might disagree on what Sawyer Mynio is worth, making “fair market value” more subjective.

 

[MS]

I cannot believe that Kudryavtsev is considered to be worth as much as their 1st, internally or externally. Would be questionable with Mynio who is a fine 3rd-round pick but has done nothing that wouldn't be expected from a 14th-20th overall. And LD is the one position where the Canucks have some actual quality prospect depth and can afford to trade one.

Smacks of misinterpretation by the radio guys.

Or the club is putting stuff like this out there in an attempt to pump their value.

 

[Blue and Green]

It may just be that picks are fungible in a way that prospects are not. GMs that mostly agree on the value of a late 1st might disagree on what Sawyer Mynio is worth, making “fair market value” more subjective.

If the draft standings were determined today the Canucks would pick 19th, so more of a mid-1st than late. Mynio might have that value, I'm not sure either way, which is why I said it was questionable. He's certainly upped his value, just a question of how much.

 

[WTG]

I cannot believe that Kudryavtsev is considered to be worth as much as their 1st, internally or externally. Would be questionable with Mynio who is a fine 3rd-round pick but has done nothing that wouldn't be expected from a 14th-20th overall. And LD is the one position where the Canucks have some actual quality prospect depth and can afford to trade one.

Smacks of misinterpretation by the radio guys.

They might have an internal contention window where having a 14-20th overall pick might not be an impact player for 3-4 years and even then it's still possible to miss out and draft a dud. I can totally see the justification being that because KK, EP25, and Mynio are ahead of where they are expected to be and project to be impact players much sooner they value them a lot more than a draft pick. Not to say that holding everything equal that those 3 hold as much value as a mid first.

 

[Blue and Green]

They might have an internal contention window where having a 14-20th overall pick might not be an impact player for 3-4 years and even then it's still possible to miss out and draft a dud. I can totally see the justification being that because KK, EP25, and Mynio are ahead of where they are expected to be and project to be impact players much sooner they value them a lot more than a draft pick. Not to say that holding everything equal that those 3 hold as much value as a mid first.

They can't all be impact players soon because there are only three LD spots in the lineup and two are taken for the forseeable future by Hughes and M Pettersson.

 

[shottasasa]

If the draft standings were determined today the Canucks would pick 19th, so more of a mid-1st than late. Mynio might have that value, I'm not sure either way, which is why I said it was questionable. He's certainly upped his value, just a question of how much.

There is value in certainty that will differ depending on the team/GM. I get feeling Allvin/Rurherford are looking to compete in the next 2/3 years where Mynio and KK may be able to contribute, whereas a mid 1st rounder may not be able to for 4/5 years.

 

[Blue and Green]

There is value in certainty that will differ depending on the team/GM. I get feeling Allvin/Rurherford are looking to compete in the next 2/3 years where Mynio and KK may be able to contribute, whereas a mid 1st rounder may not be able to for 4/5 years.

How does holding onto all three of the young LD's help to make an immediate contribution? Two of them will be consigned to Abbotsford or 7/8 status.

 

[Ernie]

I was listening to a clip from S&P and I'm not sure where they got their info from but they were saying that the Canucks would rather trade their 1st than to give up Mynio, D-Petey, or Kudryavtsev. I found that very interesting.

They got their info from nowhere. They make up non-verifiable stuff like this up because nobody who has any pull will ever say anything to them. Paterson literally had his media credentials pulled by the team because of his association with them - that's how disliked they are.

They are the worst media in this city and it's not particularly close.

 

[credulous]

I personally find this stupid.

Upcoming draft has a ton of C prospects and IMO, mgmt should hold onto their 1st to replenish the prospect depth at C.

That’s not to say we should just give one of our better defensive prospects away, but there needs to be a balance to make the team continually competitive going forward.

this is generally regarded as one of the worst drafts in a decade. there's like 4-5 guys who are sure bets to make the nhl and then a whole lot of question marks. this is a great year to trade picks

 

[Blue and Green]

this is generally regarded as one of the worst drafts in a decade. there's like 4-5 guys who are sure bets to make the nhl and then a whole lot of question marks. this is a great year to trade picks

If so, teams will know this and adjust their requests accordingly if draft picks are involved.

 

[credulous]

If so, teams will know this and adjust their requests accordingly if draft picks are involved.

sure that's true but my point was that this isn't the year to get precious about picks

 

[shottasasa]

How does holding onto all three of the young LD's help to make an immediate contribution? Two of them will be consigned to Abbotsford or 7/8 status.

A few ways. There is no certainty all three will be good enough, but they may consider the value of really good cheap depth on RFA contracts better value than what they’d get for them now. Perhaps they really think Mynio has top pairing upside and don’t want to pass on it. Injuries mean a team normally need at least 8-10 dmen over the course of a season. One of them could slide over to the right. Young D-men that have been blooded in the NHL are worth far more than promising CHLers or AHLers as a trade asset. D-Petey is worth far more now than he was even two weeks ago. If they are confident these guys are good enough, they may be worth a good young NHL forward or one of the major pieces in a trade for a good young NHL center as soon as next season.

These are all possible reasons they want to hold them over this years 1st rounder but really i don’t think the question of whether to trade these guys this season has a clear cut right or wrong answer. If they find a really good deal that gets them a potential impact forward then all power too them

 

[arttk]

A few ways. There is no certainty all three will be good enough, but they may consider the value of really good cheap depth on RFA contracts better value than what they’d get for them now. Perhaps they really think Mynio has top pairing upside and don’t want to pass on it. Injuries mean a team normally need at least 8-10 dmen over the course of a season. One of them could slide over to the right. Young D-men that have been blooded in the NHL are worth far more than promising CHLers or AHLers as a trade asset. D-Petey is worth far more now than he was even two weeks ago. If they are confident these guys are good enough, they may be worth a good young NHL forward or one of the major pieces in a trade for a good young NHL center as soon as next season.

These are all possible reasons they want to hold them over this years 1st rounder but really i don’t think the question of whether to trade these guys this season has a clear cut right or wrong answer. If they find a really good deal that gets them a potential impact forward then all power too them

And there are going to be injuries…. We played like 6LD already this year.
Hughes
Soucy
Forbort
MP
Breisbois
Dpetey

If they end up trading Soucy and then extend Forbort, there is still going to be room for KK to come up. Mynio will probably stick in the A for all of next season and then compete with KK for those spot duties.