Sam Reinhart is The Best Player on The Panthers

[Regal]

Again.. Huberdeau pretty much only played PP and OT with Barkov in that 115 point season

I feel like Huberdeau didn’t need an elite linemate like Barkov, but he needed someone to drive transition for him better than he can. Bennett does that well which is why they meshed.

What about doubling his points when he arrived to Florida?

A 56 game season tends to limit production

 

[benfranklin]

Ridiculous take all around specially the end




Again.. Huberdeau pretty much only played PP and OT with Barkov in that 115 point season

Were assuming the best version of each player according to this thread and that current paces are sustainable. If were assuming Reinhart is actually going to score 132, then were going to assume Verehaghaes current 3.9 shooting % is happening to. MacKinnon and Rantanen arent outperforming their normal paces, actually underperforming as crazy as that is, so yes, both are dramatically better than anything on the panthers.

By "pretty much only" you mean 30% of Huberdeau's total ice time, with 9% of that being PP time and a combined 22 minutes in OT? Got it.

 

[Master P]

My vote goes to Bob.

 

[teugen]

I would not be surprised either. I'm a fan of the Panthers too.

There is a minor difference between the Sabres and the Avalanche. Mittlestadt is the one I expect to do the best once he is given whatever combination of Nichushkin, Landeskog, Lehkonen, and Drouin to play with instead of Kovalenko and O'Connor. Hes a ppg+ with those two. He should only be better with real players on his wings.

All Panthers are drastically outperforming themselves except Chuckie and Verhaeghe. Verhaeghe and Tkachuk will go up and Reinhart and Bennett will go down balancing out, but to assume Reinhart and Bennett stay there while Verhaghe and Thakchuk figure it out is not realistic. Barkov is doing better offensively than normal, but his D game is so good, he gets the benefit there.

A simple look at at shooting %'s and we can predict who will come down to earth and who will bounce back. The 13-14% is a good average for the leagues top scorers.

Reinhart% 26.3%
Bennett: 19.1%
Lundell: 19.4%
Barkov: 33.3%
Tkachuk: 12.5%
Verhaeghe: 3.9%

Mackinnon: 13.6%
Rantanen: 12.1%
Mittlestadt: 18.8%

Look back at this post when Mittlestadt is Kadri v2 and gets a big payday.


MacKinnon is drastically better than anyone on the Panthers and by a wide margin.

Comparing Barkov and Nichushkin if were going off last season isnt insane at all. Nuke is a near PPG player mostly 1st line minutes mostly and Barkov is slightly above ppg playing primarily top line minutes. Both are elite defensively. One is a center and other is a wing.

Tell me you dont watch Nichushkin without telling me you dont watch Nichushkin.

My whole point was we are assuming Reinhart is a 132 point player from this thread and Bennett is a PPG player, although he has never touched 50 so yes I am going to compare the best versions of the Avalanche. Obviously the whole premise was over your head.

And the entire post is me reaching complimenting FLA on indeed having the best top 4 and/or top 6 given the fact the Avs are the closest and two of those players are MIA currently.

Jesus f***ing christ man.

Worst takes you've had on this site?

You found your entree for this thread!

 

[SwedishFire]

Ridiculous take all around specially the end




Again.. Huberdeau pretty much only played PP and OT with Barkov in that 115 point season

Yes. As the point I was reaching for... I think you missed to make the point

 

[benfranklin]

Jesus f***ing christ man.

Worst takes you've had on this site?

You found your entree for this thread!

Care to explain which part? I backed everything up with statistics.

 

[Mogo]

Yes. As the point I was reaching for... I think you missed to make the point

nvm.. you're hurt enough

 

[Dread Clawz]

My vote goes to Bob.

I love Bob but he ain't better than Sasha.

 

[Ratsreign]

Care to explain which part? I backed everything up with statistics.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics....
Nichushkin couldn’t hold Barkov’s jock.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

Care to explain which part? I backed everything up with statistics.

Go ahead and make a poll

 

[Oddbob]

No, that would be Barkov. And I also say no to the smartest player in the league. The two way generation thing is a huge joke.

 

[Laus723]

I would not be surprised either. I'm a fan of the Panthers too.

There is a minor difference between the Sabres and the Avalanche. Mittlestadt is the one I expect to do the best once he is given whatever combination of Nichushkin, Landeskog, Lehkonen, and Drouin to play with instead of Kovalenko and O'Connor. Hes a ppg+ with those two. He should only be better with real players on his wings.

All Panthers are drastically outperforming themselves except Chuckie and Verhaeghe. Verhaeghe and Tkachuk will go up and Reinhart and Bennett will go down balancing out, but to assume Reinhart and Bennett stay there while Verhaghe and Thakchuk figure it out is not realistic. Barkov is doing better offensively than normal, but his D game is so good, he gets the benefit there.

A simple look at at shooting %'s and we can predict who will come down to earth and who will bounce back. The 13-14% is a good average for the leagues top scorers.

Reinhart% 26.3%
Bennett: 19.1%
Lundell: 19.4%
Barkov: 33.3%
Tkachuk: 12.5%
Verhaeghe: 3.9%

Mackinnon: 13.6%
Rantanen: 12.1%
Mittlestadt: 18.8%

Look back at this post when Mittlestadt is Kadri v2 and gets a big payday.


MacKinnon is drastically better than anyone on the Panthers and by a wide margin.

Comparing Barkov and Nichushkin if were going off last season isnt insane at all. Nuke is a near PPG player mostly 1st line minutes mostly and Barkov is slightly above ppg playing primarily top line minutes. Both are elite defensively. One is a center and other is a wing.

Tell me you dont watch Nichushkin without telling me you dont watch Nichushkin.

My whole point was we are assuming Reinhart is a 132 point player from this thread and Bennett is a PPG player, although he has never touched 50 so yes I am going to compare the best versions of the Avalanche. Obviously the whole premise was over your head.

And the entire post is me reaching complimenting FLA on indeed having the best top 4 and/or top 6 given the fact the Avs are the closest and two of those players are MIA currently.

This is one of the worst posts I've read in a long time. Sure, "nuke" is a solid player, but he's nowhere in Barkov's league. Hell, he's barely in the league at this point.

 

[benfranklin]

Lies, damned lies, and statistics....
Nichushkin couldn’t hold Barkov’s jock.

Go ahead and make a poll

This is one of the worst posts I've read in a long time. Sure, "nuke" is a solid player, but he's nowhere in Barkov's league. Hell, he's barely in the league at this point.

Lol. Obviously none of you have been following the thread. It is all about Reinhart being a "top 10 player in the league" because of his 57 goal 23-24 season and his current 132 point pace. Sooooooo going off that and ignoring the rest of his career is what we are doing.

Sooooooo based on that, we are comparing last season only and this. Based on last season, statistically

Barkov: 73GP 23g-57a-80p. 26g-64a-90p pace
Nuke: 54GP 28g-25a-53p. 43g-38a-81p pace

Some analytics and threw in other "elite" players showing how bad other players can be and how good Nuke is. Barkov is the elite of elite when it comes to defensive forwards, but Nuke is not far behind.

Player	Position	CF%	FF%	SF%	HDCF%
Valeri Nichushkin	R	55.53	53.82	52.39	52.21
Aleksander Barkov	C	58.43	57.82	58.68	61.11
Nick Suzuki	C	49.43	49.97	50.45	48.22
Kyle Connor	L	47.51	47.7	47.85	44.55

Obviously if were going off of career accomplishments, its not close. We are going off of the players that are today and going off that, Nuke is not far behind Barkov. I think Barkov really is a top 10 player in this league because of everything he does outside of pure goals/assists and I would take him before Reinhart all day every day if I was starting a team.

Not once did I say Nuke is better, but to say "cant hold his jock" is statistically inaccurate.

 

[SwedishFire]

nvm.. you're hurt enough

Why so sour? It was a very bad attempt to make a point.

I stand by my point. Reinhart and Huberdeau meshes and plays way better with good players, but much worse on average teams.

 

[teugen]

Lol. Obviously none of you have been following the thread. It is all about Reinhart being a "top 10 player in the league" because of his 57 goal 23-24 season and his current 132 point pace. Sooooooo going off that and ignoring the rest of his career is what we are doing.

Sooooooo based on that, we are comparing last season only and this. Based on last season, statistically

Barkov: 73GP 23g-57a-80p. 26g-64a-90p pace
Nuke: 54GP 28g-25a-53p. 43g-38a-81p pace

Some analytics and threw in other "elite" players showing how bad other players can be and how good Nuke is. Barkov is the elite of elite when it comes to defensive forwards, but Nuke is not far behind.

Player	Position	CF%	FF%	SF%	HDCF%
Valeri Nichushkin	R	55.53	53.82	52.39	52.21
Aleksander Barkov	C	58.43	57.82	58.68	61.11
Nick Suzuki	C	49.43	49.97	50.45	48.22
Kyle Connor	L	47.51	47.7	47.85	44.55

Obviously if were going off of career accomplishments, its not close. We are going off of the players that are today and going off that, Nuke is not far behind Barkov. I think Barkov really is a top 10 player in this league because of everything he does outside of pure goals/assists and I would take him before Reinhart all day every day if I was starting a team.

Not once did I say Nuke is better, but to say "cant hold his jock" is statistically inaccurate.

Nuke's best season in points is 53 points and that is the last season. Barkov's best season is 96 points. Nuke could only dream about points totals like that and he is even playing much easier position. Not to mention this piece of greatness can barely rack 60 games a year, I'd say that affects the greatness too. They are not even close to a same caliber player, lol. I know you're about to bring up the pace which is whataboutism at its best, since we have never seen the dude play even close to a full season, so zero proof he could even keep the pace through out the season. Jesus christ man.

 

[Ratsreign]

Lol. Obviously none of you have been following the thread. It is all about Reinhart being a "top 10 player in the league" because of his 57 goal 23-24 season and his current 132 point pace. Sooooooo going off that and ignoring the rest of his career is what we are doing.

Sooooooo based on that, we are comparing last season only and this. Based on last season, statistically

Barkov: 73GP 23g-57a-80p. 26g-64a-90p pace
Nuke: 54GP 28g-25a-53p. 43g-38a-81p pace

Some analytics and threw in other "elite" players showing how bad other players can be and how good Nuke is. Barkov is the elite of elite when it comes to defensive forwards, but Nuke is not far behind.

Player	Position	CF%	FF%	SF%	HDCF%
Valeri Nichushkin	R	55.53	53.82	52.39	52.21
Aleksander Barkov	C	58.43	57.82	58.68	61.11
Nick Suzuki	C	49.43	49.97	50.45	48.22
Kyle Connor	L	47.51	47.7	47.85	44.55

Obviously if were going off of career accomplishments, its not close. We are going off of the players that are today and going off that, Nuke is not far behind Barkov. I think Barkov really is a top 10 player in this league because of everything he does outside of pure goals/assists and I would take him before Reinhart all day every day if I was starting a team.

Not once did I say Nuke is better, but to say "cant hold his jock" is statistically inaccurate.

I was not even considering career accomplishments.
When you look beyond just the statistics, you will see the whole picture.
Nichuskin is not the player Barkov is.

 

[BB88]

I was not even considering career accomplishments.
When you look beyond just the statistics, you will see the whole picture.
Nichuskin is not the player Barkov is.

Don’t even bother

I haven’t seen a poster as lost here so nothing you’ll say will get through

 

[Guadana]

Barkov is the best Panthers player, its not even close.
Reinhart is great anyway.

 

[Mogo]

Yes. As the point I was reaching for... I think you missed to make the point

ffs.. People seem to think only reason Huberdeau had 115 points because he played with Barkov. I pointed out he didnt. He actually was a 2nd liner on Panthers when he had 115 point season

 

[Laus723]

ffs.. People seem to think only reason Huberdeau had 115 points because he played with Barkov. I pointed out he didnt. He actually was a 2nd liner on Panthers when he had 115 point season

but...they had STATS!

 

[IdleTraveller]

He started playing with Barkov. Obviously he was great playing with Lundell too, but it is not the same. Plus for example in 21-22, he did not get as much ice time. Maurice said he tried putting Reino with Barkov his first year there in training camp, and there seemed to be good chemistry but goals would go off posts or some passes just didn't connect, etc. But last season, in camp they just clicked. Reino and Barkov click so well together because they are both such smart players, it's like two guys playing in a different league than everybody else most of the time they're on the ice.

Just to return to the original question, I think the general consensus is that Reinhart isn't the best player on the team. That's not at all a knock on Reinhart - given his hilarious post-goal WTF reaction to some of Barkov's incredible assists, I think he'd be the first to agree...

There was a really interesting episode on the Hockey PDOcast on Reinhart's amazing season last year. From what I remember, along with just how intelligent he is, the hosts talked about how Reinhart is complimentary player in the most elite sense of the word: he's the type of star player that has all the elements of greatness but, unlike other star players, he requires the right type of chemistry to get there. And happily for both him and the Panthers, that chemistry just clicked with Barkov and the team last year.

That stuck in my mind because the hosts went on to talk about the tragedy of players who have that same potential for greatness but are not put in situations to realise it, and then start to believe that they are less than they are. Which made me think about just how random and cruel this sport can be. I know that's obvious, but the tragedy of wasted potential struck me more after listening to this episode.

Anyway, here's a link if people are interested:

 

[Ratsreign]

Reinhart - given his hilarious post-goal WTF reaction to some of Barkov's incredible assists,

Here’s a great example of one (@2:10)

Are you kidding me??

(on the list of the reasons he was willing to leave money on the table)

 

[SwedishFire]

Just to return to the original question, I think the general consensus is that Reinhart isn't the best player on the team. That's not at all a knock on Reinhart - given his hilarious post-goal WTF reaction to some of Barkov's incredible assists, I think he'd be the first to agree...

There was a really interesting episode on the Hockey PDOcast on Reinhart's amazing season last year. From what I remember, along with just how intelligent he is, the hosts talked about how Reinhart is complimentary player in the most elite sense of the word: he's the type of star player that has all the elements of greatness but, unlike other star players, he requires the right type of chemistry to get there. And happily for both him and the Panthers, that chemistry just clicked with Barkov and the team last year.

That stuck in my mind because the hosts went on to talk about the tragedy of players who have that same potential for greatness but are not put in situations to realise it, and then start to believe that they are less than they are. Which made me think about just how random and cruel this sport can be. I know that's obvious, but the tragedy of wasted potential struck me more after listening to this episode.

Anyway, here's a link if people are interested:

You exactömly spoke my mind. Reinhart is that rich intelligent buddy, that plays with people just like himself. Rich and talented. Great mind thinks alike.

 

[IdleTraveller]

Here’s a great example of one (@2:10)

Are you kidding me??

(on the list of the reasons he was willing to leave money on the table)

LOL - I was thinking about that one! Also, that assist last year when Barkov literally juggles the puck on his stick while getting knocked down - I remember clearly seeing Reinhart mouth "Oh my f***ing god" over and over again at that while shaking his head in disbelief ;-).

I remember listening to that podcast feeling very confident that Reinhart would be signing with us, even taking a discount, because he's intelligent enough to know what his game at its best needs, and that it wouldn't necessarily translate to another team. He's an amazing player and fingers crossed he keeps up this magical run.

 

[SimpleJack]

If healthy I'm taking the Avs top 6 over anyone else in the NHL, including FLA(though it is close).....the problem is that's just a huge "if" because they never seem to be healthy, or available for whatever reason, so you can't really rely on them come playoff time. If COL could somehow get a healthy MacK/Rant/Landy/Mittelstadt/Nuke/Lek for an entire playoff run they'd be one hell of a tough out(duh). Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen though. FLA's group seems much more durable/reliable/available.