Sam Reinhart is The Best Player on The Panthers

[Laus723]

Florida is so lucky to have Reinhart, Barkov, Tkachuk AND Verhaeghe. I'm not sure if you find a better top 4 forwards on a single team in the NHL.

We’re not, though. We’re lucky to have Barkov as it was widely expected Jones or Drouin would be picked 2nd and Tallon somehow had a massive moment of clarity and picked Barkov, but the other guys are due to great work by Zito. Not trying to argue for the sake of it, but as a day 1 Cat fan, the work Zito has done to assemble this roster is incredibly impressive.

 

[KW]

I’m not sure where I’d put Reino and Barky on an individual scale in the NHL. I think McJesus is the best individually, probably followed by McK or Makar.

However, I think Barkov is not only the Panthers best TEAM player who noticeably tilts the ice in the team’s favor, but I think Barkov is the best TEAM player in the league right now. If you factor in value per dollar, it’s no contest.

 

[benfranklin]

When you add 5th Bennett it goes to no contest

Or even developing Lundell as 6th.

All on amazing value deals as well and in their mid prime, except Lundell who’s just starting to get into his prime

If were going to go off previous performance if theyre cold but current performance if theyre hot, then I still say the Avalanche. Half of the Avalanche are dead and half of the Panthers are drastically out performing their careers. I think its more likely Avalanche players come back and are at least 80% of themselves than Panthers to keep putting up insane numbers.

MacKinnon - MVP no explanation needed
Rantanen - 104 point player
Landeskog - 94 pace player - might be dead currently
Mittlestadt - 96 point pace playing with rookies currently
Nichushkin - 81 point pace (42 goal pace) player - might be high currently. Top 5 2 way player in the NHL
Drouin - 58 point pace finally waking up with MacKinnon

I love the Panthers and am not trying to rip them but its easy to brag when we assume the best we have ever seen for each player.

Reinhart - 57 goal/94 point player - On pace for 132 currently
Barkov - Best year was 96 points. Top 5 2 way player in the NHL
Verhaeghe - Best year was 73 points. Currently on pace for 50
Tkachuk - Best year was 109. Currently on pace for 82
Bennett - Best year was 49. Currently on pace for 82
Lundell - Best year was 55 point pace. Currently on pace for 82

Even at Reinharts unsustainable pace, MacKinnon still out performs him. MacKinnon >>>> Reinhart
Rantanen = Tkachuk
Barkov > Nichushkin
Landeskog > Verhaeghe
Mittlestadt >>>> Bennett
Drouin = Lundell

 

[KW]

If were going to go off previous performance if theyre cold but current performance if theyre hot, then I still say the Avalanche. Half of the Avalanche are dead and half of the Panthers are drastically out performing their careers. I think its more likely Avalanche players come back and are at least 80% of themselves than Panthers to keep putting up insane numbers.

MacKinnon - MVP no explanation needed
Rantanen - 104 point player
Landeskog - 94 pace player - might be dead currently
Mittlestadt - 96 point pace playing with rookies currently
Nichushkin - 81 point pace (42 goal pace) player - might be high currently. Top 5 2 way player in the NHL
Drouin - 58 point pace finally waking up with MacKinnon

I love the Panthers and am not trying to rip them but its easy to brag when we assume the best we have ever seen for each player.

Reinhart - 57 goal/94 point player - On pace for 132 currently
Barkov - Best year was 96 points. Top 5 2 way player in the NHL
Verhaeghe - Best year was 73 points. Currently on pace for 50
Tkachuk - Best year was 109. Currently on pace for 82
Bennett - Best year was 49. Currently on pace for 82
Lundell - Best year was 55 point pace. Currently on pace for 82

Even at Reinharts unsustainable pace, MacKinnon still out performs him. MacKinnon >>>> Reinhart
Rantanen = Tkachuk
Barkov > Nichushkin
Landeskog > Verhaeghe
Mittlestadt >>>> Bennett
Drouin = Lundell

This is interesting and all but teams win championships. Watch all those Panther players on the wrong side of your >>>> lift the cup in June again.

 

[pb1300]

When you add 5th Bennett it goes to no contest

Or even developing Lundell as 6th.

All on amazing value deals as well and in their mid prime, except Lundell who’s just starting to get into his prime

Most complete top 9 in the league, and will be for a long time if they can lock Bennett up to a solid deal.

Unreal that they will have money to eventually add to this team, tweak and upgrade the blueline, and eventually add more scoring up front.

 

[pb1300]

If were going to go off previous performance if theyre cold but current performance if theyre hot, then I still say the Avalanche. Half of the Avalanche are dead and half of the Panthers are drastically out performing their careers. I think its more likely Avalanche players come back and are at least 80% of themselves than Panthers to keep putting up insane numbers.

MacKinnon - MVP no explanation needed
Rantanen - 104 point player
Landeskog - 94 pace player - might be dead currently
Mittlestadt - 96 point pace playing with rookies currently
Nichushkin - 81 point pace (42 goal pace) player - might be high currently. Top 5 2 way player in the NHL
Drouin - 58 point pace finally waking up with MacKinnon

I love the Panthers and am not trying to rip them but its easy to brag when we assume the best we have ever seen for each player.

Reinhart - 57 goal/94 point player - On pace for 132 currently
Barkov - Best year was 96 points. Top 5 2 way player in the NHL
Verhaeghe - Best year was 73 points. Currently on pace for 50
Tkachuk - Best year was 109. Currently on pace for 82
Bennett - Best year was 49. Currently on pace for 82
Lundell - Best year was 55 point pace. Currently on pace for 82

Even at Reinharts unsustainable pace, MacKinnon still out performs him. MacKinnon >>>> Reinhart
Rantanen = Tkachuk
Barkov > Nichushkin
Landeskog > Verhaeghe
Mittlestadt >>>> Bennett
Drouin = Lundell

Relax man. Mittlestadt has never hit 60 before. Landeskog who knows how he will perform when he comes back. Nichuskin who knows if he comes back. There are way more ifs about the Avalanche than the Panthers.

The Panthers are the best team in the league, and that is lead by their forward group who collectively are the best defensive group in the league. Nobody on the Panthers is "drastically" out performing any more than Mittlesdtadt is for the Avs. Lundell is still 23 and has been steadily improving since last season, and his playoff run. Everyone else is playing the same level of hockey they have been for the past few seasons.

Reinhart and Bennett will slow down of course, but they still play to the level that they are expected to. There is no other team in the league who can compete with the Panthers top 9 players in the league, when you factor what they can do both sides of the ice.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

So far last year’s 57 goals don’t look like a fluke.

But they were. He's not going to sustain this shooting percentage.

 

[BB88]

If were going to go off previous performance if theyre cold but current performance if theyre hot, then I still say the Avalanche. Half of the Avalanche are dead and half of the Panthers are drastically out performing their careers. I think its more likely Avalanche players come back and are at least 80% of themselves than Panthers to keep putting up insane numbers.

MacKinnon - MVP no explanation needed
Rantanen - 104 point player
Landeskog - 94 pace player - might be dead currently
Mittlestadt - 96 point pace playing with rookies currently
Nichushkin - 81 point pace (42 goal pace) player - might be high currently. Top 5 2 way player in the NHL
Drouin - 58 point pace finally waking up with MacKinnon

I love the Panthers and am not trying to rip them but its easy to brag when we assume the best we have ever seen for each player.

Reinhart - 57 goal/94 point player - On pace for 132 currently
Barkov - Best year was 96 points. Top 5 2 way player in the NHL
Verhaeghe - Best year was 73 points. Currently on pace for 50
Tkachuk - Best year was 109. Currently on pace for 82
Bennett - Best year was 49. Currently on pace for 82
Lundell - Best year was 55 point pace. Currently on pace for 82

Even at Reinharts unsustainable pace, MacKinnon still out performs him. MacKinnon >>>> Reinhart
Rantanen = Tkachuk
Barkov > Nichushkin
Landeskog > Verhaeghe
Mittlestadt >>>> Bennett
Drouin = Lundell

What a ridiculous post

& I almost missed it how you started comparing Mackinnon to Reinhart and then had Barkov as slightly better than Nichuskin……..

Barkov& Mackinnon are both top5 C caliber players, play just completely differerent styles and outside of them Florida beates Colorado easily

Drouin is by far the worst player from the list and Landeskog has missed 2+ years and is +30y powerforward. Sure he’s close to his prime form

Edit, your player comp is honestly the worst I’ve ever seen. So bad that I won’t even bother coming back to reply again

 

[BB88]

Most complete top 9 in the league, and will be for a long time if they can lock Bennett up to a solid deal.

Unreal that they will have money to eventually add to this team, tweak and upgrade the blueline, and eventually add more scoring up front.

I’d say they have a 3-5 year window to win Cup still, then the core is starting to move past it’s prime

But nobody touches that top9 with its franchise, elite talent and versatility, + all players being under 30

 

[amikaro]

One thing is to appreciate the Top6 of the Panthers. Another is to appreciate how it was built and how the organisation made players develop who didn't blossom alike in other organisations. Look at Reinhart, Bennet, Verhage!

 

[benfranklin]

This is interesting and all but teams win championships. Watch all those Panther players on the wrong side of your >>>> lift the cup in June again.

I would not be surprised either. I'm a fan of the Panthers too.

Relax man. Mittlestadt has never hit 60 before. Landeskog who knows how he will perform when he comes back. Nichuskin who knows if he comes back. There are way more ifs about the Avalanche than the Panthers.

The Panthers are the best team in the league, and that is lead by their forward group who collectively are the best defensive group in the league. Nobody on the Panthers is "drastically" out performing any more than Mittlesdtadt is for the Avs. Lundell is still 23 and has been steadily improving since last season, and his playoff run. Everyone else is playing the same level of hockey they have been for the past few seasons.

Reinhart and Bennett will slow down of course, but they still play to the level that they are expected to. There is no other team in the league who can compete with the Panthers top 9 players in the league, when you factor what they can do both sides of the ice.

There is a minor difference between the Sabres and the Avalanche. Mittlestadt is the one I expect to do the best once he is given whatever combination of Nichushkin, Landeskog, Lehkonen, and Drouin to play with instead of Kovalenko and O'Connor. Hes a ppg+ with those two. He should only be better with real players on his wings.

All Panthers are drastically outperforming themselves except Chuckie and Verhaeghe. Verhaeghe and Tkachuk will go up and Reinhart and Bennett will go down balancing out, but to assume Reinhart and Bennett stay there while Verhaghe and Thakchuk figure it out is not realistic. Barkov is doing better offensively than normal, but his D game is so good, he gets the benefit there.

A simple look at at shooting %'s and we can predict who will come down to earth and who will bounce back. The 13-14% is a good average for the leagues top scorers.

Reinhart% 26.3%
Bennett: 19.1%
Lundell: 19.4%
Barkov: 33.3%
Tkachuk: 12.5%
Verhaeghe: 3.9%

Mackinnon: 13.6%
Rantanen: 12.1%
Mittlestadt: 18.8%

Look back at this post when Mittlestadt is Kadri v2 and gets a big payday.

What a ridiculous post

& I almost missed it how you started comparing Mackinnon to Reinhart and then had Barkov as slightly better than Nichuskin……..

Barkov& Mackinnon are both top5 C caliber players, play just completely differerent styles and outside of them Florida beates Colorado easily

Drouin is by far the worst player from the list and Landeskog has missed 2+ years and is +30y powerforward. Sure he’s close to his prime form

Edit, your player comp is honestly the worst I’ve ever seen. So bad that I won’t even bother coming back to reply again

MacKinnon is drastically better than anyone on the Panthers and by a wide margin.

Comparing Barkov and Nichushkin if were going off last season isnt insane at all. Nuke is a near PPG player mostly 1st line minutes mostly and Barkov is slightly above ppg playing primarily top line minutes. Both are elite defensively. One is a center and other is a wing.

Tell me you dont watch Nichushkin without telling me you dont watch Nichushkin.

My whole point was we are assuming Reinhart is a 132 point player from this thread and Bennett is a PPG player, although he has never touched 50 so yes I am going to compare the best versions of the Avalanche. Obviously the whole premise was over your head.

And the entire post is me reaching complimenting FLA on indeed having the best top 4 and/or top 6 given the fact the Avs are the closest and two of those players are MIA currently.

 

[Slapshot Sultan]

I would not be surprised either. I'm a fan of the Panthers too.

There is a minor difference between the Sabres and the Avalanche. Mittlestadt is the one I expect to do the best once he is given whatever combination of Nichushkin, Landeskog, Lehkonen, and Drouin to play with instead of Kovalenko and O'Connor. Hes a ppg+ with those two. He should only be better with real players on his wings.

All Panthers are drastically outperforming themselves except Chuckie and Verhaeghe. Verhaeghe and Tkachuk will go up and Reinhart and Bennett will go down balancing out, but to assume Reinhart and Bennett stay there while Verhaghe and Thakchuk figure it out is not realistic. Barkov is doing better offensively than normal, but his D game is so good, he gets the benefit there.

A simple look at at shooting %'s and we can predict who will come down to earth and who will bounce back. The 13-14% is a good average for the leagues top scorers.

Reinhart% 26.3%
Bennett: 19.1%
Lundell: 19.4%
Barkov: 33.3%
Tkachuk: 12.5%
Verhaeghe: 3.9%

Mackinnon: 13.6%
Rantanen: 12.1%
Mittlestadt: 18.8%

Look back at this post when Mittlestadt is Kadri v2 and gets a big payday.


MacKinnon is drastically better than anyone on the Panthers and by a wide margin.

Comparing Barkov and Nichushkin if were going off last season isnt insane at all. Nuke is a near PPG player mostly 1st line minutes mostly and Barkov is slightly above ppg playing primarily top line minutes. Both are elite defensively. One is a center and other is a wing.

Tell me you dont watch Nichushkin without telling me you dont watch Nichushkin.

My whole point was we are assuming Reinhart is a 132 point player from this thread and Bennett is a PPG player, although he has never touched 50 so yes I am going to compare the best versions of the Avalanche. Obviously the whole premise was over your head.

And the entire post is me reaching complimenting FLA on indeed having the best top 4 and/or top 6 given the fact the Avs are the closest and two of those players are MIA currently.

Saying Barkov is slighty better than Nichushkin who had a half a season of nearly ppg and career high of 53 points is some next level homerism

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Hmmm challenge accepted...

MacKinnon, Rantanen, Mittlestadt, Nichushkin
McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, blah
Robertson, Duchene, Hintz, Johnston
Forsberg, ROR, Marsh, Stamkos
Kuch, Point, Guentz, Cirelli
Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander
Miller, Boeser, Pettersson, blah
Stone, Eichel, Hertl, blah

Im inclined to agree with you. The Avalanche I would argue hard assuming a sober Nuke. Lightning is pretty close. Oilers are so top heavy that who cares about their fourth. Leafs in theory but we know how much of a joke that is.

I think the only team that comes close to matching Florida's top four is Colorado. And that's with Landeskog in the lineup.

 

[benfranklin]

Saying Barkov is slighty better than Nichushkin who had a half a season of nearly ppg and career high of 53 points is some next level homerism

Are we going off their careers or today/most recently? That is the whole point of my post. If were going to assume Reinhart will put up 132 points because of his current pace, then same with Vereghae only putting up 50.

Obviously their whole career, Barkov >>>>>> Nichushkin. Last season only and ignoring the drug problem, then they are very similar with the edge slightly in points to Barkov and then the center > wing value. Thats not arguable at all. Its pure stats, both points and advanced.

This entire thread is looking at Panthers players through rose colored glasses and their unsustainable shooting %'s. If theyre currently crushing it, then we assume they will continue. If they are not, then we will default back to when they did and assume that.

You cant have it both ways.

 

[BB88]

I think the only team that comes close to matching Florida's top four is Colorado. And that's with Landeskog in the lineup.

Landeskog is 32y(this month) and has missed +2 years, can we please stop this nonsense?

 

[OysterForever]

He did. Multiple times. I like how not only does no one watch the Sabres, they can’t even be bothered to google basic stats about guys who play(ed) here.

What about doubling his points when he arrived to Florida?

 

[SwedishFire]

And a borderline top 10 player in the world. It’s funny because you watch him play and he has absolutely zero explosiveness. But he is the single smartest player in hockey and is crazy versatile. Best two-way winger of his generation.

Just like Huberdeau, I think Sam is that player that reaches his potential when he plays with top players. Hyman as well. Aint drivers, like Draisaitl, Matthews, Eichel. And so on. He would never score 50 in Buffalo.

 

[PBPantherfan]

Just like Huberdeau, I think Sam is that player that reaches his potential when he plays with top players. Hyman as well. Aint drivers, like Draisaitl, Matthews, Eichel. And so on. He would never score 50 in Buffalo.

I don’t know he drove this play pretty well.

 

[hirawl]

Great player. Nowhere near Barkov's level though. Not many are tbf.

 

[pb1300]

Just like Huberdeau, I think Sam is that player that reaches his potential when he plays with top players. Hyman as well. Aint drivers, like Draisaitl, Matthews, Eichel. And so on. He would never score 50 in Buffalo.

Neither has Eichel. Draisaitl wouldn’t either.

Sam was doing just fine without Barkov. He’s much more of a complete player than the players mentioned. He’s arguably the best 2 way winger in the game.

 

[CaptainScrewy]

What about him?

I just always laugh when I remember how much Buffalo fans hyped him up. Poor guy is not an NHL goalie.

 

[Foppberg]

I just always laugh when I remember how much Buffalo fans hyped him up. Poor guy is not an NHL goalie.

I mean.. he's 22 years old. That's an infant for a goalie. He's a work in progress but I'd give my left nut for him on the Avs.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

I mean.. he's 22 years old. That's an infant for a goalie. He's a work in progress but I'd give my left nut for him on the Avs.

Yeah. Levi has time to develop. I think the biggest factor working against him right now is that he's playing in Buffalo. I have nothing but respect for Sabres fans, who have put up with a lot of crap, but that team is very, very poorly managed. Seems like they are consistently able to find great talent and then screw everything up.

Guess this is kind of off-topic, so I'll add that I still think Reinhart is having the best 'peak' in franchise history if he continues his play like this (or close to it) for the duration of the season.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

He's an incredible player. Took atleast 2 million less a year then he should have got.

An amazing two way goal scorer.

 

[Mogo]

If were going to go off previous performance if theyre cold but current performance if theyre hot, then I still say the Avalanche. Half of the Avalanche are dead and half of the Panthers are drastically out performing their careers. I think its more likely Avalanche players come back and are at least 80% of themselves than Panthers to keep putting up insane numbers.

MacKinnon - MVP no explanation needed
Rantanen - 104 point player
Landeskog - 94 pace player - might be dead currently
Mittlestadt - 96 point pace playing with rookies currently
Nichushkin - 81 point pace (42 goal pace) player - might be high currently. Top 5 2 way player in the NHL
Drouin - 58 point pace finally waking up with MacKinnon

I love the Panthers and am not trying to rip them but its easy to brag when we assume the best we have ever seen for each player.

Reinhart - 57 goal/94 point player - On pace for 132 currently
Barkov - Best year was 96 points. Top 5 2 way player in the NHL
Verhaeghe - Best year was 73 points. Currently on pace for 50
Tkachuk - Best year was 109. Currently on pace for 82
Bennett - Best year was 49. Currently on pace for 82
Lundell - Best year was 55 point pace. Currently on pace for 82

Even at Reinharts unsustainable pace, MacKinnon still out performs him. MacKinnon >>>> Reinhart
Rantanen = Tkachuk
Barkov > Nichushkin
Landeskog > Verhaeghe
Mittlestadt >>>> Bennett
Drouin = Lundell

Ridiculous take all around specially the end

Just like Huberdeau, I think Sam is that player that reaches his potential when he plays with top players. Hyman as well. Aint drivers, like Draisaitl, Matthews, Eichel. And so on. He would never score 50 in Buffalo.

Again.. Huberdeau pretty much only played PP and OT with Barkov in that 115 point season