Player Discussion Sam Colangelo
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Hopefully the new coach puts a stop to that. I imagine that was one of the reasons Verbeek parted ways with Cronin.
My opinion is that we want each of our lines to be better than the other team's corresponding line. If we've got such good players that Colangelo is on the "4th" line, that's an awesome thing and it means we're probably winning that line matchup.
I think people are too hung up on line numbers. I'm not interested in Sam Colangelo playing 8 minutes a night as a "grinder." I'm interested in him playing 13 minutes a night (including some PP time) as a goal-scoring threat against the other team's 3rd pairing defenders. If that means he's on a line that's listed 4th in line rushes, whatever. Who cares?
There's no reason why this team must or should deploy a traditional 4th line in a manner that would waste Colangelo's talents. If that's what people think I'm arguing for when I call for Colangelo to be in the bottom 6, that's not it, and I apologize if I was unclear. But I do expect him to be on a line that's getting a few less 5-on-5 minutes than two or three of the other lines. I think that will mean this team has a great roster.
I think people are too hung up on line numbers. I'm not interested in Sam Colangelo playing 8 minutes a night as a "grinder." I'm interested in him playing 13 minutes a night (including some PP time) as a goal-scoring threat against the other team's 3rd pairing defenders. If that means he's on a line that's listed 4th in line rushes, whatever. Who cares?
There's no reason why this team must or should deploy a traditional 4th line in a manner that would waste Colangelo's talents. If that's what people think I'm arguing for when I call for Colangelo to be in the bottom 6, that's not it, and I apologize if I was unclear. But I do expect him to be on a line that's getting a few less 5-on-5 minutes than two or three of the other lines. I think that will mean this team has a great roster.
MCB
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Forgive my memory, but didn't getz and Perry start on the 4th line? I'm just saying if colangelo starts there it's not like he's stuck there forever and he can fight for higher positions. However, I do think that if we have roster space he should be on the third.
That team was trying to win a cup. This team is trying to develop kids.
That was also 20 years ago. I think the NHL and development of kids has changed quite a bit since then.
I’d say if there’s room at the end of the summer for Colangelo to fit into the top 9 then great, but I wouldn’t save a seat for him when there’s still a possibility he goes the way of Comtois and can’t repeat his pace/ performance. I’m not saying that will happen, but would suck if we pencil him into a spot he’s not capable of when we could have made a signing for that spot.
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Sean Garrity
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They also started on the 4th line together, if I'm remembering correctly after tearing up the AHL so it's not like it was one of them with two plugs. It was both of them, obviously very skilled, with I don't know why I wanna say Fedoruk a majority of the time?
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Yeah, I mean if your 4th line has Killorn and Colangelo because your top 9 is even better than that, then you're a pretty damn good team, right?
MCB
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That's all true, I'm just saying if he starts there he doesn't necessarily have to finish there. Do I want him on the fourth line all season? No. But I won't be upset if he starts there and moves up.
All that said, I think he starts on the third line.
The Midnight Burrito
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He'll get his chances. Terry will have 5 or 6 more kids, Killorn will get hurt, Z will get hurt, Cutter will struggle at some point, maybe we won't sign anybody, there's plenty of room for a guy to move around the lineup.
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Drafting and signing players with zero offensive ability like Gaucher, Myatovic, Pitre, Terrance, and Washe doesn't really go with that strategy.
MCB
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That's my thought. I know this flies in the face of traditional roster construction, and at some point in the future, we'll (hopefully) be paying Leo gazillions of dollars to be a superstar and Gauthier and McTavish slightly less gazillions, but until that's an issue, the team has room to roll four good lines. Let's do it.
None of those guys were drafted or signed with the idea that they would produce zero offense. If that's what they end up producing, then they won't be in the NHL.
My prediction is that Gaucher and Washe (at least) will do both...play in the NHL and produce zero offense. And I think they will make the team much harder to play against. They will be prototypical 4th line guys that neutralize the other team's top offensive players and punish them at the same time. Were they all drafted too high? Probably. But does a team need those kinds of players? Absolutely. Do you want Colangelo trying to generate offense on a line with them? Heck no.
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I have read what you're saying, but it has been quite contrary to what we've had here for the past few seasons on the fourth line. Lundy doesn't bring offense, but he's been a mainstay. Johnston brings no offense offense and he's often inserted into the lineup. There's also Leason.
Cronin could have debuted Colangelo in a scoring role on his first two call-ups, but didn't. We never knew if Colangelo had it in him to be a goal scorer at the NHL level until March.
You're looking at things from a utopian POV. Verbeek has already re-signed Vatrano. who is all offense and no defense; kinda doubtful Vatrano will be a 4th liner. We're stuck with Gudas and Trouba for another season as our top-4. Washe could very well be our 4C next year because we're dying at the FO circle.
Remember last season how everyone, save a minute minority, wanted LaCombe traded b/c his talents didn't deserve to be on the team? That is the same feeling I get from you with Colangelo.
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The Midnight Burrito
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We can all agree that it's better in general to be deeper, yes? And having agreed on that, we can agree that it'd be better to add depth to the top of the lineup rather than the bottom, yes?
And if we're agreed on that, then we can agree that Colangelo, who was already essentially the #9 forward, is likely to get pushed down, and that wouldn't be a statement about his ceiling or his utility but rather about the depth of the roster. Meaning, a good thing. If the 4th line is a line that can make use of his talents, that's good, right? It doesn't really matter that we call it the 4th line in that case. And that wouldn't impede his development.
And if, in that circumstance, it becomes clear that he's actually not our #10 guy but is clearly better than that, that's a good problem to have, right? Because then either he or someone even better than him is trade bait.
In other words, every scenario comes up Mlllhouse if you add depth that way. Maybe you think it's pie in the sky but it doesn't have to be.
And if we're agreed on that, then we can agree that Colangelo, who was already essentially the #9 forward, is likely to get pushed down, and that wouldn't be a statement about his ceiling or his utility but rather about the depth of the roster. Meaning, a good thing. If the 4th line is a line that can make use of his talents, that's good, right? It doesn't really matter that we call it the 4th line in that case. And that wouldn't impede his development.
And if, in that circumstance, it becomes clear that he's actually not our #10 guy but is clearly better than that, that's a good problem to have, right? Because then either he or someone even better than him is trade bait.
In other words, every scenario comes up Mlllhouse if you add depth that way. Maybe you think it's pie in the sky but it doesn't have to be.
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I also think, if we add a Marner (trade for a Vilardi, draft a porter or McQueen) and when Sennecke joins, it kind forces him to a 4th line unless he can play LW. But that 4th line isn’t some Harkins / Isac / Johnston 4th line. It’s a Myatovic / Gaucher / Colangelo 4th line that should abuse other teams 4th lines.
Next year he should 100% be in the top 9, and it would equally amazing if we had a
Cutter - Leo - ?
? - Zegras - Terry
Vats - McT - Colangelo
Nesty - Washe - Strome
Add an Ehlers throw him on Z’s wing, leave Killorn as Sennecke’s place holder.
Add Marner (or trade for a Vilardi) to the top line, Killorn with Z.
Killorn and Vats can switch too.
In lieu of Nesty we can always nab a legit bottom 6 player from FA too. Anthony Beauvillier type ?
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Do have Marner and Ehlers any ambition to play in a team like the Ducks in a high tax state?
TheDarkWingThatDucks
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That’s a lovely question, and one I don’t have an answer for. We have shown the ability to be creative with deferred money like the Vats deal, which is a nice way to lessen the tax burden to players who long term don’t want to live in California. A young talented team on the rise might be an intriguing place for a player taking the bag for the their 28-35 years, so they can age more gracefully and still be on a winning team. Less pressure in Anaheim, can walk around places relatively unknown, while still rich and great weather. Can the GM sell them on his vision for this teams’ future? Do these things matter to anyone ? I couldn’t tell you.
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This needs to stop being an excuse. It’s not an excuse for any other sport except hockey - Lakers, Dodgers, Rams, etc all attract high level athletes. Hell, even the Angels do.
It's not like Ontario, Illinois, New York, and Massachusetts are low tax areas.
Can the Rangers, Leafs, or Blackhawks sign big name FAs?
Can the Rangers, Leafs, or Blackhawks sign big name FAs?
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Anaheim could try another Vatrano type contract. Make the NHL close the loop in the next CBA.
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The issue is that the ducks are also a small market/unpopular team compared to the Lakers, Dodgers, Rams - those are teams with like the highest franchise values in their respective sports.
The ducks unfortunately have a plethora of things working against them in FA and will for a long time
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