Maybe I don’t understand the AHL playoff system but it looks to me like SD has about the same chance of getting to the playoffs as the Ducks do. Which is to say a very low probability. Am I missing something?
Player Discussion Sam Colangelo
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Interesting to note for sure, but also makes sense. 22 - 23 year old making the jump from NCAA to AHL / NHL a little easier than 19-20 year old going from OHL / WHL to AHL / NHL.
I think a mix of NCAA / Canadian leagues / European (and their 4 years to sign and develop) is kinda ideal for building organizational depth. A good way to build for a never ending influx of talent for the first 5-7 years of a rebuild.
Then you kinda sell those assets for win now pcs, whether players or picks and it’s tough to keep the cupboard full, and gotta hit on some swings later on the draft.
Dr Johnny Fever
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That new rule really makes things interesting.
Is there a time deadline where they have to commit to a NCAA school? I could see one or more of the higher picks being encouraged by their drafted team to play a year or two of NCAA as a step up from the CHL with the option of allowing them to go to the AHL/NHL after a year in school.
Thanks. Everything was as I thought it was. So 5 points out but the the teams ahead of them have 1-3 games in hand. Gulls only have 16 games left. Anything is possible I guess but I’d keep all the current NHL guys up until they demonstrate that they don’t belong up.
Hockey Duckie
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With the newfound offense sparked by putting Colangelo on a line with offensive talent with Mac and Cutter, I'd prefer to continue to let that trio develop their play together and chemistry. If they continue to be strong and produce offensively for the rest of the season, then that's one set scoring line for us next year. Establishing our NHL future carries higher importance to me.
If the Gulls do make the playoffs, then it's still possible for Colangelo and other youth prospects to join them in the post-season. The Ducks last regular season game is April 16th. The Gulls last regular season game is April 19th. In the Gulls last 10 games, they are 8-1-0-1 (17 pts) with 16 games left to play. San Diego seems to be winning plenty of games now even without Colangelo and Harkins. There is also a possibility that LD Dionicio returns to the AHL if his U20 Biel playoffs is cut short. They are down 1-2 in a five game series.
It's possible to do both, keep the kids in the NHL and participate in the AHL playoffs.
caliamad
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Whatever coach or exec who thinks of messing with that chemistry should be fired. It’s like the only positive thing the team has going right now.
I don’t have a source but I read that their AHL eligibility is based on where they played in their draft year. So if they are drafted as a CHL player they still can’t go to the AHL until they have aged out of the CHL.
Hockey Duckie
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And don't forget about Helleson. He is the reason why we had a youth D rotation. Plus, he probably doesn't want to see the AHL again since the coaching staff didn't do him well in the AHL.
Dr Johnny Fever
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They better be careful with a rule like that. That could encourage a LOT of kinds to start their career in the CHL and then transfer to the NCAA for their draft year, thereby leaving even a year sooner.
I know he's looked pretty good but just dawning on my that he played at a 25 goal pace under a terrible coach who was giving him 4th line minutes for a sizable chunk of his time here.
Sucks he's not Calder eligible next year, he looks pretty legit.
Sucks he's not Calder eligible next year, he looks pretty legit.
The Midnight Burrito
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I like him a lot and he's a big part of what I'll be looking forward to over the summer. Fingers crossed he's for real. That said, he was shooting almost 25%. He and Leo (17%) are two guys I'd most expect to convert less often next season.
Personally, I'm still riding the high of firing Cronin so I'm expecting them to double down by shooting 50% and 34% respectively.
Hopefully the next coach is able to institute a system or mindset that also raises the volume of shots/opportunities to mitigate a regression to the mean.
Sam might also just be a higher percentage guy as well, considering where he gets his goals from. Shot 15% with the gulls, which would have been second highest with Anaheim after Leo.
GunnarStahl
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I have a few thoughts
1. Agree, he may be higher percentage shooter, however even then it's hard to consistently shoot over ~12-13%.
2. The next coach likely increases shot volume thus mitigating regression. Also add in a bit of development time for a young pro.
3. Sam had 9 goals with 23 shots in 20 games in his end of season stint with the Ducks. Let's say next season he can average 1.5 shots per game
4. 1.5 shots per game over 82 games is 123 shots, with a 13% shooting percentage you get 16 goals.
15+ goals is still great over the course of a season. I think expecting him to be a lock to hit 20 next season sets him up for failure. I think 15ish goals in a 3rd line role and some 2nd PP time is about right. Also hopefully he generates more assists next year.
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This feels right. I think Colangelo has a lot of work to do to establish himself as a top 9 option. He had a nice season, but it’s a bit premature to think he’d be putting up 20 next year. Cutter barely did it, and he played with more talented linemates and had to go on a heater at the end
Just please don't propose putting him on the 4th line. That isn't where he belongs in any scenario IMO.
Smirnov2Chistov
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I think he's a good middle six player who can play up if needed.
I also think he'd be fine on the 4th line as long as the 4th line no longer has guys like Lundestrom and Johnston on it.
Hockey Duckie
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Why would we limit Colangelo's time as well as reduce the talent quality around him? When the team reduces Colangelo's TOI and talent quality around him, then his scoring chances is greatly reduced. We have been there and done that.
When Colangelo was returned to San Diego for its final two games of the season, he put up 3g + 2a. He scored the lone goal in the penultimate game and had a 4-point night in the Gulls home closer, including the OT game winning goal. In only 40 AHL games, Colangelo finished as the team's leading goal scorer with 22 goals and a ppg player with 40 points.
I'd rather keep Colangelo in a top line role in San Diego and continue refining his offense talent than to have it wasted on limited minutes in a 4th line role that is meant to grind. What a waste of goal scoring talent if he's on the 4th line in the NHL or sent back down to the AHL.
Anaheim is looking for goals and the fourth line is where you put a goal scorer? Sounds like Cronin-ism.
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