Player Discussion Sam Colangelo

[gilfaizon]

Guessing PV isn't 100% sold on him, offered for him to play some games down there and see where the chips fall. In exchange, I think Colangelo would sign with Anaheim if the offer comes, but PV wants an extra look and it can't hurt Colangelo to showcase himself a little bit more.

 

[Static]

Nobody can offer him an ELC and burn a year other then us.

Are you meaning at this time or at all.

 

[tomd]

Actually, in an article (I can't find that article now), Colangelo had thoughts of going pro last year, but decided to stay an extra year in college. D Ian Moore didn't have a great season this year, but Verbeek wanted to sign him. Moore is staying, as of right now, for his senior year with Harvard.

I think Colangelo would have had a difficult time getting a pro contract from any NHL team last year and really needed to up his game. He made a potentially career saving decision to transfer to WMU and it paid off. Moore is smart to stay at Harvard next year as well for several reasons.

 

[Static]

I see what you mean. Because he can't sign until the 15th of August with another franchise then that means the year can't be burned. This is true.

 

[duckpuck]

I have no idea what this means. Is there some permutation where this makes him easier or more attractive to trade him to a team that would offer an ELC?

 

[Boo Boo]

Maybe I just have trouble getting into the mindset of a 22 year old future pro athlete but if I was in his situation theres no way I would fly across the country to try out for a spot if I had no intention of signing. It would just be an awkward work environment otherwise.

 

[JAHV]

Maybe I just have trouble getting into the mindset of a 22 year old future pro athlete but if I was in his situation theres no way I would fly across the country to try out for a spot if I had no intention of signing. It would just be an awkward work environment otherwise.

I don't know, if I was a 22-year-old hockey player whose prospects were fine, but not great, and someone said we'll fly you to San Diego to play more hockey for a couple weeks, I would do it whether I planned to sign with Anaheim or not. I suppose there's always a chance I could hurt myself, but as a 22-year-old hockey player, I can't see myself thinking that way. Mostly I'd be thinking: San Diego + hockey = win.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I think Colangelo would have had a difficult time getting a pro contract from any NHL team last year and really needed to up his game. He made a potentially career saving decision to transfer to WMU and it paid off. Moore is smart to stay at Harvard next year as well for several reasons.

No other NHL club matters. What you said doesn't preclude that Verbeek, the Ducks' GM, was willing to sign Moore this year on record. Which opens the possibility of Colangelo being signed last year, but, like Moore, opted to stay another year in college.

Verbeek signed C Josh Lopina after two years in college, one year after he was drafted. None of us saw that happening.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I don't know, if I was a 22-year-old hockey player whose prospects were fine, but not great, and someone said we'll fly you to San Diego to play more hockey for a couple weeks, I would do it whether I planned to sign with Anaheim or not. I suppose there's always a chance I could hurt myself, but as a 22-year-old hockey player, I can't see myself thinking that way. Mostly I'd be thinking: San Diego + hockey = win.

Colangelo could have taken notes from Nesterenko. As you pointed out, Colangelo could get injured during that PTO and then what?

 

[tomd]

No other NHL club matters. What you said doesn't preclude that Verbeek, the Ducks' GM, was willing to sign Moore this year on record. Which opens the possibility of Colangelo being signed last year, but, like Moore, opted to stay another year in college.

Verbeek signed C Josh Lopina after two years in college, one year after he was drafted. None of us saw that happening.

Well let me be more specific then...I think Colangelo would have struggled to get an NHL contract from Anaheim last year. Better?

Moore is a good prospect so I'm not surprised that PV wants to sign him. But Moore will hopefully benefit by staying another year in college (and hopefully sign with the Ducks after that).

Regards Lopina, I don't think many of us cared. Still don't.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Well let me be more specific then...I think Colangelo would have struggled to get an NHL contract from Anaheim last year. Better?

Moore is a good prospect so I'm not surprised that PV wants to sign him. But Moore will hopefully benefit by staying another year in college (and hopefully sign with the Ducks after that).

Regards Lopina, I don't think many of us cared. Still don't.

You're missing the point. And no, you cannot exclude a data point b/c you don't like how it doesn't fit into what you're thinking.

• Event A: Lopina, a 4th round pick, was signed by Verbeek after his sophomore year in college.

• Event B: Verbeek stated he wanted to sign Moore this year, his junior year, despite Moore not having a great season. It looks like Moore is returning to college next season.

Since Events A and B occurred, Verbeek probably offered a contract to Colangelo last year for Colangelo to consider going pro. Colangelo was probably in the same situation as Moore this year, bypassing a contract offer from Verbeek and going back to college because he wasn't satisfied with his junior season.

 

[tomd]

You're missing the point. And no, you cannot exclude a data point b/c you don't like how it doesn't fit into what you're thinking.

• Event A: Lopina, a 4th round pick, was signed by Verbeek after his sophomore year in college.

• Event B: Verbeek stated he wanted to sign Moore this year, his junior year, despite Moore not having a great season. It looks like Moore is returning to college next season.

Since Events A and B occurred, Verbeek probably offered a contract to Colangelo last year for Colangelo to consider going pro. Colangelo was probably in the same situation as Moore this year, bypassing a contract offer from Verbeek and going back to college because he wasn't satisfied with his junior season.

sure

 

[nbducksfan19]

I think the idea that Verbeek didn’t offer a ELC makes little sense. He has given ELC’s to players with far less pedigree, production, and potential.

 

[gilfaizon]

Maybe PV still has some interest in current college/future college(Frozen Four)/CHL/euro free agents and wants to keep some flexibility?

 

[Gliff]

It also could be the opposite, that Colangelo didnt want to sign but they convinced him to give them a chance.

 

[Ducksforcup]

I guess at least he is giving the Ducks a chance...I find it hard to believe Verbeek didn't offer him an ELC.
Hopefully he makes the most of his time with the Gulls here.

 

[cheesymc]

I guess at least he is giving the Ducks a chance...I find it hard to believe Verbeek didn't offer him an ELC.
Hopefully he makes the most of his time with the Gulls here.

Well lets not hope he doesn't notice how dysfunctional the Gulls are and realize that the Ducks are even worse...

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Ok I've noodled this one around long enough to form an opinion. I do feel pretty confident that he'll be signing an ELC with us. If not signing with us I think he'd be on a tryout agreement anywhere else but here.

Here's the thing, I believe he's eligible to sign a two year ELC based on age. So signing this year to burn one, essentially leaves him on a one year ELC for next year. We've discussed how that can be to a player's benefit, if they make the NHL and succeed right away, they get into bigger money a year earlier.

In Colangelo's case, perhaps him and his agent realistically felt that he'll likely spend the better part of next year in the AHL, in which case there isn't much benefit to advancing his RFA clock. Or both sides agreed to a short trial to evaluate his game at the AHL level, before making that call.

 

[Rybread86]

Ok I've noodled this one around long enough to form an opinion. I do feel pretty confident that he'll be signing an ELC with us. If not signing with us I think he'd be on a tryout agreement anywhere else but here.

Here's the thing, I believe he's eligible to sign a two year ELC based on age. So signing this year to burn one, essentially leaves him on a one year ELC for next year. We've discussed how that can be to a player's benefit, if they make the NHL and succeed right away, they get into bigger money a year earlier.

In Colangelo's case, perhaps him and his agent realistically felt that he'll likely spend the better part of next year in the AHL, in which case there isn't much benefit to advancing his RFA clock. Or both sides agreed to a short trial to evaluate his game at the AHL level, before making that call.

I was thinking it had to be something like this. It doesnt really make sense, but there are a bunch of different reasons as to why. RFA status, money, contract years, protections, etc, etc. We just have to see how it hashes out, but odd none the less.

 

[Gliff]

Ok I've noodled this one around long enough to form an opinion. I do feel pretty confident that he'll be signing an ELC with us. If not signing with us I think he'd be on a tryout agreement anywhere else but here.

Here's the thing, I believe he's eligible to sign a two year ELC based on age. So signing this year to burn one, essentially leaves him on a one year ELC for next year. We've discussed how that can be to a player's benefit, if they make the NHL and succeed right away, they get into bigger money a year earlier.

In Colangelo's case, perhaps him and his agent realistically felt that he'll likely spend the better part of next year in the AHL, in which case there isn't much benefit to advancing his RFA clock. Or both sides agreed to a short trial to evaluate his game at the AHL level, before making that call.

He can't sign any contract (PTO, ATO, ELC) with any team other then the Ducks until August 15th.

 

[Kalv]

With our org, I hope he doesn't get ECL before his ELC


PS
His top pinned post on Insta is still him in a Ducks hat after being drafted, expressing his joy to join the org

 

[WhatTheDuck]

He can't sign any contract (PTO, ATO, ELC) with any team other then the Ducks until August 15th.

All that noodling and that didn't occur to me.

But my point still stands in a way, I don't think we would have him join SD if it looked like he was about to test the open market. Would rather give that development time to one of our "own" prospects. I have confidence there's some sort of agreement in place, beyond the tryout.

 

[Boo Boo]

All that noodling and that didn't occur to me.

But my point still stands in a way, I don't think we would have him join SD if it looked like he was about to test the open market. Would rather give that development time to one of our "own" prospects. I have confidence there's some sort of agreement in place, beyond the tryout.

The fact that he wasn’t traded like thrun was is enough to make me reasonably confident in signing him

 

[ADHB]

All that noodling and that didn't occur to me.

But my point still stands in a way, I don't think we would have him join SD if it looked like he was about to test the open market. Would rather give that development time to one of our "own" prospects. I have confidence there's some sort of agreement in place, beyond the tryout.

Exactly. Unless he was just totally unwanted around the league, which I don't think is the case, he doesn't stand to gain anything by playing a few weeks for the Gulls. It's not like he needs to showcase himself. beyond what he's already done in college. And if he had already decided to go the free agent route, there would be no reason for him to continue to play just a few more games for an organization he isn't committed to.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

He took a dump his second year, decided to leave his school (and his family, according to HD) behind, to take a chance and hope he could salvage something for an NHL future. You could squint one way and see that as a confident kid betting on himself, or you could squint another way and see it as a desperate kid taking any chance to keep his dream alive. Only one of those Colangelos is really a risk to walk away and accept the uncertainty of free agency, a new team where he has no relationship with the scouts and management, having to find his place amongst other established prospects, etc.