Value of: Sam Bennett as a UFA

A. Despite what certain northern fans think, Zito is great at his job. The Panthers have 20 mil to spend with the increase and guys coming off the books. They can use the no tax “advantage,” (which exists but it’s not as simple as others insist it is), and Bennys played on a shit team before. He helped get Tkachuk here by raving about it. If Bennett wants to stay, and the numbers work, he will.
What? Of course Zito is great at his job. Of Course if Bennett wants to stay and the numbers work he will. This may be the worst post on HF.

Hes worth a TON on the open market. If he wants to go maximize his last contract he would make a ton of money much more then the Panthers can offer. Panthers cant pay him what the open market would unless they offload other talent.

Chicago will take Lundell.
 
He's not going to Montreal or Toronto IMO. Too much stuff to deal with.
Mainly the media and fanbases who are smothering.

What? Of course Zito is great at his job. Of Course if Bennett wants to stay and the numbers work he will. This may be the worst post on HF.

Hes worth a TON on the open market. If he wants to go maximize his last contract he would make a ton of money much more then the Panthers can offer. Panthers cant pay him what the open market would unless they offload other talent.

Chicago will take Lundell.
Ya Lundell wants to go to Chicago....:laugh:
 
He's not going to Montreal or Toronto IMO. Too much stuff to deal with.
Mainly the media and fanbases who are smothering.


Ya Lundell wants to go to Chicago....:laugh:
Hes from outside Toronto and was a big leafs fan growing up. He could help bring a cup home for the first time since 67' while making more money (if Marner leaves).

it wouldnt matter if Lundell wanted to go to Chicago :laugh:
 
What? Of course Zito is great at his job. Of Course if Bennett wants to stay and the numbers work he will. This may be the worst post on HF.

Hes worth a TON on the open market. If he wants to go maximize his last contract he would make a ton of money much more then the Panthers can offer. Panthers cant pay him what the open market would unless they offload other talent.

Chicago will take Lundell.
You new around these parts? I can’t tell since born on dates aren’t attached atm. Have you missed a few northern fans say that he’s not good and it’s solely the “tax advantage?” Or are you just being obtuse.

It doesn’t matter what he’s worth on the open market, what matters is what his agent and Zito work out. You asked how we could afford him, I gave you THE answer. Panthers don’t need to offload anything to keep him. Hell either fit or he’ll be allowed to walk as others have and Zito will bring in someone else.

And Lol, keep dreaming.
 
Whoever signs him won't have a huge issue IMO. He'd be a guy you love that's overpaid by a few mil at worst. Not a guy you'd feel is overpaid by double that you'd hate.

When Bennett was a rookie/sophomore, he did a lot of showing of high end skill, passing and stick work. I remember him doing all sorts of neat tricks with Gaudreau (RIP) early in his career that I actually thought he'd be even more fancy than Gaudreau throughout his career. He sorta sealed it off when he thought he was supposed to play that hard nosed physical game and less playmaking. He even said when he was traded that he thought he was supposed to play like a plug. I honestly do believe he can extend his career by revising his playstyle if needed.

He has said he models his game after Gilmour. IMO I've seen all the components of the skill and physical skillset that made Gilmour successful. But after watching him for quite a few years in Calgary and Florida, I don't think he has the ability to combine both his skill and physical play at the NHL level for some odd reason. I've seen him do do one or the other, but I've never seen both at the same time at the NHL level.

That's honestly why I believe he can reinvent his game to extend his career, especially if he has a good coach who is willing to help him reinvent his career, the odds of it happening successfully increase. I could see him go from a hard nosed, physical net driving C to one day being a defensive minded play making C that occasionally chips in physicality wise. I don't know if he will actually feel the need to change his game to extend his career and I could be wrong, but that's honestly my personal belief.

I'd love him back in Calgary.
 
You new around these parts? I can’t tell since born on dates aren’t attached atm. Have you missed a few northern fans say that he’s not good and it’s solely the “tax advantage?” Or are you just being obtuse.

It doesn’t matter what he’s worth on the open market, what matters is what his agent and Zito work out. You asked how we could afford him, I gave you THE answer. Panthers don’t need to offload anything to keep him. Hell either fit or he’ll be allowed to walk as others have and Zito will bring in someone else.

And Lol, keep dreaming.
Nobody is saying Zito is bad at his job he just won a cup. Tax advantage is just that an advantage that Zito has over many others. Your thing with northerns is weird.

His worth on the open market certainly matters. Even if he decides to stay it still matters his price higher because of his demand. (His agents job)

Panthers dont need to offload anything to keep him but at the same time they may just "allow" him walk? HUH?

Pretending the salary cap doesnt matter for a team that has Ekblad Bennett Marchand as UFAs and Verhaeghe getting a raise next year is interesting.

You will have to underpay Ekblad Bennett and Marchand to keep all three. Which may happen but acting like its not a squeeze is nuts.
 
8 million a year would be 9 percent of cap this year. In 3 years will only be 7 percent and headed down.
I think that math and the fact there are very few marquee UFa and especially centers. He could really cash in if he wants.
 
Nobody is saying Zito is bad at his job he just won a cup. Tax advantage is just that an advantage that Zito has over many others. Your thing with northerns is weird.

His worth on the open market certainly matters. Even if he decides to stay it still matters his price higher because of his demand. (His agents job)

Panthers dont need to offload anything to keep him but at the same time they may just "allow" him walk? HUH?

Pretending the salary cap doesnt matter for a team that has Ekblad Bennett Marchand as UFAs and Verhaeghe getting a raise next year is interesting.

You will have to underpay Ekblad Bennett and Marchand to keep all three. Which may happen but acting like its not a squeeze is nuts.
What're you struggling with? Posters have said "Panther fans think Zito is an amazing GM when he just has a tax advantage." While that's paraphrased, it's been said multiple times, mostly by the same posters...from the north. Take two seconds and read what I'm saying instead of being obnoxious. It's been said, multiple times. He IS a great GM AND yes, he has access to advantage. One that didn't count for shit for 16 years because it didn't matter. For one, the owner at the time was shit, and for two, we didn't have a savvy GM willing to do what it took to bring in the right pieces to build a Cup winning team. To dial it down to "tax advantage" is both disingenuous and dumb.

With the cap raising, the Panthers have $20 Mil to spend, not sure why you think Zito would move a young center or another core piece to fit Marchand. This conversation is about Bennett, not about Ekblad and Marchand, if we keep all 3 great, but I don't give af whether we keep Marchand or not, and Ek I'm on the fence with.

No one is acting like there won't be a squeeze and I wouldn't be surprised to see all 3 walk, the point is, Zito will either figure it out and has a number in mind for each, or they walk. Bennett will get more than Zito is willing to pay, so his free agency number doesn't matter. He either accepts the offer and stays with a team who's window is wide open or he walks.

Not sure where your struggle is, but come back with the nuts, huhs, and weirds if you need further help.
 
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He's an elite 2C that could end up paid like a good 1C from somebody who needs a big boost. I guess part of it depends on if he wants to take a Florida discount to chase some more cups. If he takes a discount and signs in Florida, I would guess 7 - 8M X 8 years. If he moves on to someone else who thinks he can be their 1C, I'm guessing 10m X 7 years.
 
I dont think its a question. There are too many teams that need a Sam Bennett and have money.

I know Florida fans have a dream that he's re-signing at a discount, but I don't see it. He likely feels like his career was stunted by his time in Calgary, he has a cup, and this is his only chance to get paid.

I could even see a $9.XX by 7 years if he has another solid playoff performance this year.
 
I know Florida fans have a dream that he's re-signing at a discount, but I don't see it. He likely feels like his career was stunted by his time in Calgary, he has a cup, and this is his only chance to get paid.

I could even see a $9.XX by 7 years if he has another solid playoff performance this year.
Pretty sure most of us have a clear understanding of the situation. He'll either take a discount or he'll walk, we've watched Gudas, Montour, OEL, Stenlund, Lomberg, and Stolarz all price themselves out to name a few. It's not new to us, but we've also seen Reinhart, Verhaeghe, Forsling, and Lundell all stay for reasonable cap hits compared to their likely market value. Not sure where language like "dreaming" is coming from. Most of us hope, but that's different from a dream.
 
What're you struggling with? Posters have said "Panther fans think Zito is an amazing GM when he just has a tax advantage." While that's paraphrased, it's been said multiple times, mostly by the same posters...from the north. Take two seconds and read what I'm saying instead of being obnoxious. It's been said, multiple times. He IS a great GM AND yes, he has access to advantage. One that didn't count for shit for 16 years because it didn't matter. For one, the owner at the time was shit, and for two, we didn't have a savvy GM willing to do what it took to bring in the right pieces to build a Cup winning team. To dial it down to "tax advantage" is both disingenuous and dumb.

With the cap raising, the Panthers have $20 Mil to spend, not sure why you think Zito would move a young center or another core piece to fit Marchand. This conversation is about Bennett, not about Ekblad and Marchand, if we keep all 3 great, but I don't give af whether we keep Marchand or not, and Ek I'm on the fence with.

No one is acting like there won't be a squeeze and I wouldn't be surprised to see all 3 walk, the point is, Zito will either figure it out and has a number in mind for each, or they walk. Bennett will get more than Zito is willing to pay, so his free agency number doesn't matter. He either accepts the offer and stays with a team who's window is wide open or he walks.

Not sure where your struggle is, but come back with the nuts, huhs, and weirds if you need further help.

I have no idea what you are arguing.

I said Im sure you want Sam Bennett but how will you pay him. You are replying with we will pay him or he will walk.

He would walk because his Free Agency number is higher than what Zito would be able to give him to keep the rest of the team together....

If his free agency number was the same as Zito was able to offer he wouldnt leave. His free agency number is the only thing that matters lol

While you dont care about Marchand for some reason he would be the 7 million replacement that would provide the 60+ points, leadership, and grit on a 3 year deal that you would have to pay Bennett closer to 8 for 7 years to get what he would get on the market.
 
Marchand-Barkov-Reinhart
Tkachuk-Lundell-Verhaeghe
Rodriguez-Luosterainen-Samoskevich
Greer-Sturm-Boqvist

That lineup for 3 years instead of signing Bennett to a 7 year contract. Seems safer.
 
I have no idea what you are arguing.

I said Im sure you want Sam Bennett but how will you pay him. You are replying with we will pay him or he will walk.

He would walk because his Free Agency number is higher than what Zito would be able to give him to keep the rest of the team together....

If his free agency number was the same as Zito was able to offer he wouldnt leave. His free agency number is the only thing that matters lol

While you dont care about Marchand for some reason he would be the 7 million replacement that would provide the 60+ points, leadership, and grit on a 3 year deal that you would have to pay Bennett closer to 8 for 7 years to get what he would get on the market.
Cause you're too busy being obnoxious, and somehow it's my fault you don't get it. You asked how we can afford him, he'll either take a hometown discount like others have done, or he'll choose to explore the market. Wtf is so hard for you to understand?? That number doesn't matter, his agent will come to him with, "he can get this," Zito will reply with him, "maybe, but we can give him this," then they'll either come to an agreement or they won't. He's not getting the same number here as he would in Toronto. Got it now?

Says you. You keep going back to what he would get on the market, some team may throw 10 mil at him, we won't. Period. Zito has enough room to work all 3 in depending on what they all decide, he has enough to let one of the 3 walk and look for a replacement. You're just carrying on without taking in lots of other factors.
 
Cause you're too busy being obnoxious, and somehow it's my fault you don't get it. You asked how we can afford him, he'll either take a hometown discount like others have done, or he'll choose to explore the market. Wtf is so hard for you to understand?? That number doesn't matter, his agent will come to him with, "he can get this," Zito will reply with him, "maybe, but we can give him this," then they'll either come to an agreement or they won't. He's not getting the same number here as he would in Toronto. Got it now?

Says you. You keep going back to what he would get on the market, some team may throw 10 mil at him, we won't. Period. Zito has enough room to work all 3 in depending on what they all decide, he has enough to let one of the 3 walk and look for a replacement. You're just carrying on without taking in lots of other factors.
Alright lets try to walk you through it.

Why would he explore the market if hes on the best team in the league living in Florida a no tax state winning cups?
 
Alright lets try to walk you through it.

Why would he explore the market if hes on the best team in the league living in Florida winning cups?
Listen, where's your disconnect? Where's the malfunction, re-read my last post slowly, pause at "hometown discount" and ponder what that means. Consider who's stayed here (meaning they, their agents, and management allll came to an agreement on a number to stay), then consider who's walked (meaning there wasn't an agreement). that help? Again, it's not hard, you're just stuck on Bennett chasing the money and not taking a discount. For some reason.

Again, read it slowly, take a few pauses, you'll be amazed that the answers staring you in the face. (you continually choose to be a dick, I'm happy to match the energy).
 
Guy has never even hit 50pts in a season.

This contract is going to be David Clarkson level bad.
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Pretty sure most of us have a clear understanding of the situation. He'll either take a discount or he'll walk, we've watched Gudas, Montour, OEL, Stenlund, Lomberg, and Stolarz all price themselves out to name a few. It's not new to us, but we've also seen Reinhart, Verhaeghe, Forsling, and Lundell all stay for reasonable cap hits compared to their likely market value. Not sure where language like "dreaming" is coming from. Most of us hope, but that's different from a dream.
Agree with you on this except Lundell was an RFA. Not really the same situation. He signed for a lower rate than he probably should have (moreso because of the amount of years) but he also didn't have exactly eye popping stats to demand a Jarvis or Raymond type contract either. He took a discount which is still part of your larger point but it's definitely different than others on your list.
 
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