Confirmed with Link: Sam Bennett and 6th (2022) traded to Florida for 2nd (2022) and Emil Heineman

[BobColesNasalCavity]

I would kill to be fly on the wall in the Flames front office

Probably looks like this

 

[JPeeper]

No one gets more praise for riding off his linemates coattails than Bennett lmao

Guy gets 3 secondary assists off goals from Huberdeau = Bennett is the next coming of McDavid.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Unless Emil Heineman is the second coming of Jari Kurri, this trade is gonna age like fine milk.

I enjoyed this analogy. Kylington also likes milk.

 

[Lunatik]

Unless Emil Heineman is the second coming of Jari Kurri, this trade is gonna age like fine milk.

Why? Scouting reports indicate Heineman's upside is exactly what Sam Bennett has been for 400 NHL games, except isn't bad defensively.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Players need to earn it, Bennett never did f*** all to earn anything here. He played like a 3rd liner and thus was used as a 3rd liner. A hot streak after a trade doesn't mean anything. Next year once again everyone will be scratching their heads and making excuses for him when he yet again is a "#1c" that can't break 30 points.

Frankly I don't give two f***s what Bennett does in Florida, I just wish the posters more interested in needlessly pumping his tires would join him there because they make this place and fanbase unbearable.

I think he earned a prolonged look after last seasons playoffs. I don’t disagree that players need to earn it either, but they need to be put in situations to succeed.

We saw what happened when Sven didn’t earn it, and that was the other end of the spectrum and why players shouldn’t be gifted opportunities. I think Sam did earn a long look, Conroy admitted it too. My take is if I was the GM and I used a 4OA pick on a player, I would take that car out to Montana and open it up and find out what’s under the hood before I sell the car off. If the car is a dud, drive it off a cliff and move on.

 

[Lunatik]

I think he earned a prolonged look after last seasons playoffs. I don’t disagree that players need to earn it either, but they need to be put in situations to succeed.

We saw what happened when Sven didn’t earn it, and that was the other end of the spectrum and why players shouldn’t be gifted opportunities. I think Sam did earn a long look, Conroy admitted it too. My take is if I was the GM and I used a 4OA pick on a player, I would take that car out to Montana and open it up and find out what’s under the hood before I sell the car off. If the car is a dud, drive it off a cliff and move on.

Why did he earn a prolonged look because he put up the same points as Monahan while hitting more and bleeding chances against? Bennett got opportunity after opportunity after opportunity and accomplished nothing.

Nystrom was once our best player in the playoffs, I guess he should have been put on Iginla's wing, because he was also a higher first round pick afterall.

The idea of gifting people minutes because they were high picks is beyond stupid.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Why did he earn a prolonged look because he put up the same points as Monahan while hitting more and bleeding chances against? Bennett got opportunity after opportunity after opportunity and accomplished nothing.

Nystrom was once our best player in the playoffs, I guess he should have been put on Iginla's win too, because he was also a higher first round pick afterall.

The Flames management and coaches all praised Sam in the off-season and said he was going to get to play C because of what he showed in the playoffs. These were their own words. The opportunity they had for him when the season opened was to C the 4th line..

When the AGM tells the player after he was dealt that he should have gotten more of an opportunity here, that says a lot to me. It says that management and the coaching staff are not on the same page. And while it is a coaches job to win games, the Flames are notorious for not developing players to their potential. A good balance of pushing the player to earn it and giving them an opportunity to succeed needs to be philosophy this team does a much better job of. Frankly they are among the worst at the league at it.

 

[Lunatik]

The Flames management and coaches all praised Sam in the off-season and said he was going to get to play C because of what he showed in the playoffs. These were their own words. The opportunity they had for him when the season opened was to C the 4th line..

When the AGM tells the player after he was dealt that he should have gotten more of an opportunity here, that says a lot to me. It says that management and the coaching staff are not on the same page. And while it is a coaches job to win games, the Flames are notorious for not developing players to their potential. A good balance of pushing the player to earn it and giving them an opportunity to succeed needs to be philosophy this team does a much better job of. Frankly they are among the worst at the league at it.

Management praises everyone usually. They said he was going to play center because he asked to play center, then he changed his mind because he wasn't happy with his role.

I won't disagree Bennett was mishandled. But that started in his draft+2 season when he should have gone back to the OHL.

As for the Flames being notorious for not developing players to their potential, when we are talking guys drafted 4-6 Bennett is the only miss since Rico Fata in '98. Monahan came in, started on the 3rd line and earned more time. Bennett and Tkachuk started on the 2nd line, one succeeded, the other didn't and was surpassed by Andrew Mangiapane, Dillon Dube and couldn't even out produce regular his linemate Mark Jankowski.

The excuses people continue make for Bennett are ridiculous.

And while I never heard any AGM say anything about Bennett, I already know it was Conroy, who might be the most nauseatingly positive person in the world and I'd expect him to say that about anyone who never worked out here.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

No one gets more praise for riding off his linemates coattails than Bennett lmao

Never heard of Sean Monahan?

 

[Lunatik]

Apparently Sean Monahan is the Rob Brown of the 21st century.

 

[Khrox]

I will never get over Monahan's endless leash and total unwillingness to improve his game

Didn't Sutter fairly recently (like a week or two ago?) basically say Monahan is hands down the hardest worker in practices? You gotta think that getting praise like that from SUTTER of all people, has got to mean something. And it might explain why he gets such a long leash. And he's managed to get praise for his ethic by every coach we've had since he got drafted.

 

[Lunatik]

Didn't Sutter fairly recently (like a week or two ago?) basically say Monahan is hands down the hardest worker in practices? You gotta think that getting praise like that from SUTTER of all people, has got to mean something. And it might explain why he gets such a long leash. And he's managed to get praise for his ethic by every coach we've had since he got drafted.

I'm sorry but this is no place for facts. Monahan is Rob Brown 2.0 and Sam Bennett is the second coming of Jesus Christ himself.

 

[Mazatt]

Never heard of Sean Monahan?

Bennett's worse than Monahan at this point. Monahan gets lambasted here by the likes of you and others for not doing enough now, but Bennett gets put into a perfect situation where simple plays turn into points, or pucks get bounced in off him, and he gets praised for it. Monahan's perception has been overcorrected, and years of praising Bennett for nothing have resulted in a lucky week being pounced on cause he won't be amounting to the same hype next year.

 

[super6646]

I'm sorry but this is no place for facts. Monahan is Rob Brown 2.0 and Sam Bennett is the second coming of Jesus Christ himself.

Hyperbole much? Don’t see why some people are getting sour grapes over Bennett’s success. Not as if flames management has been all that good lately either...

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Didn't Sutter fairly recently (like a week or two ago?) basically say Monahan is hands down the hardest worker in practices? You gotta think that getting praise like that from SUTTER of all people, has got to mean something. And it might explain why he gets such a long leash. And he's managed to get praise for his ethic by every coach we've had since he got drafted.

We talkin' bout practice? Not the game, not the game that Sean Monahan lets pucks on his stick die for, we talking bout practice!

 

[Mazatt]

Hyperbole much? Don’t see why some people are getting sour grapes over Bennett’s success. Not as if flames management has been all that good lately either...

This isn't sour grapes over Bennett's success, it's sour grapes over the usual suspects claiming he's god's gift to mankind. Trying to use stats to put him in a tier with McDavid, claimig he and Barkov are the most feared 1-2 punch in the league. That's whats frustrating. We'd want to enjoy Bennett succeeding but everything he does is blown out of proportion to say that he's much better than he is, and the fact that's resulting in randomly shitting on current members of the roster makes it reasonable to be a liiiittle bit chapped.

 

[Lunatik]

Hyperbole much? Don’t see why some people are getting sour grapes over Bennett’s success. Not as if flames management has been all that good lately either...

I'm don't care about Bennett's success/failure anymore, he's not a Flame so what he does is irrelevant to me. What I'm sick of is the overreactions to his play and people using it as an excuse to cheer against players on a team they claim to be fans of.

 

[super6646]

I'm don't care about Bennett's success/failure anymore, he's not a Flame so what he does is irrelevant to me. What I'm sick of is the overreactions to his play and people using it as an excuse to cheer against players on a team they claim to be fans of.

Overreactions? His production has been noteworthy to say the least as of late, which doesn’t help sentiment here when our fwds (especially our centres) are mostly floundering.

Also I don’t see anyone cheering against our players here. You are seeing something that isn’t there.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Bennett's worse than Monahan at this point. Monahan gets lambasted here by the likes of you and others for not doing enough now, but Bennett gets put into a perfect situation where simple plays turn into points, or pucks get bounced in off him, and he gets praised for it. Monahan's perception has been overcorrected, and years of praising Bennett for nothing have resulted in a lucky week being pounced on cause he won't be amounting to the same hype next year.

Do you know why "simple plays" turn into points or why "pucks" get bounced off of Sam Bennett?

Because he supports his defensemen in the defensive zone and get possession of the puck for zone exits
Because he wins puck battles
Because he wins races to pucks
Because he is a rock in the defensive zone and gets the puck to his wingers at a pace
Because he competes for every puck
Because he carries the puck through the neutral zone like a center is supposed to, and and creates the zone entries to enter the offensive zone.
Because, and this was true in Calgary, he creates scoring chances that end up in zone time.

All of this stuff, this stuff I like to call "being a great center", is why he gets those simple plays and pucks bounced off of him.

All of this stuff is why Joel Quennville has him on his first powerplay unit.

All of this stuff is why Sam Bennett can go pointless for a handful of games and you can still, if you use your eyes, see what he's bringing to the table.

All of this stuff is why I was frustrated we were playing him with a guy like Tobias Reider, who didn't finish grade AAA scoring chances. Because they absolutely should have turned into points HERE!

All of this stuff is what Sean Monahan does not do, because when he is riding off his linemates' coattails, it's because he's actually riding off his linemates' coattails and they are doing all the work, while he is simply getting praised for having a great snap shot.

 

[Lunatik]

Overreactions? His production has been noteworthy to say the least as of late, which doesn’t help sentiment here when our fwds (especially our centres) are mostly floundering.

Also I don’t see anyone cheering against our players here. You are seeing something that isn’t there.

Are you blind? Every poor game Monahan has causes OKG to have have to change his pants. The guy has actively been cheering against Monahan for years because of his beloved Bennett. And Whisky is just as bad.

 

[super6646]

Are you blind? Every poor game Monahan has causes OKG to have have to change his pants. The guy has actively been cheering against Monahan for years because of his beloved Bennett. And Whisky is just as bad.

He doesn’t like monahan’s game. Doesn’t mean he actively cheers against him.

And even then you are talking about 2 entire posters on this board. Frankly idk why their opinions bug you so much, but there are a lot of people who weren’t high on Bennett who are happy for him regardless and also don’t hold extreme views on monahan.

 

[Figgy44]

I enjoyed this analogy. Kylington also likes milk.

Aged milk can become sharp cheddar, right?

 

[Lunatik]

He doesn’t like monahan’s game. Doesn’t mean he actively cheers against him.

And even then you are talking about 2 entire posters on this board. Frankly idk why their opinions bug you so much, but there are a lot of people who weren’t high on Bennett who are happy for him regardless and also don’t hold extreme views on monahan.

It's more than just them too, it's DFF, that RasmusAndersson poster and others I cannot recall at the moment, it's a piss off because they're the ones flooding this thread with their bullshit. No different than me having zero tolerance for you when all you did was shit on goaltending.

And blowing failures massively out of proportion, while going out of their way to dismiss any success a player has is absolutely cheering against them.

 

[Mobiandi]

Didn't Sutter fairly recently (like a week or two ago?) basically say Monahan is hands down the hardest worker in practices? You gotta think that getting praise like that from SUTTER of all people, has got to mean something. And it might explain why he gets such a long leash. And he's managed to get praise for his ethic by every coach we've had since he got drafted.

I honestly take Sutter's comments with an extreme grain of salt. He knows what buttons to push and everything he says in the media is calculated.

He was falling over with praise for Kylington before scratching him for weeks now. And he's also had pointed criticism for Gaudreau and Lindholm but still relies on both heavily.

Monahan's ice time has cratered under Sutter, breaking 19 minutes just three times and finding himself on PP2. Even if he is working hard in practice, it's a little too late to make a difference for him. He still gets a ton of sweet soft ice time to get his confidence up but Sutter doesn't trust him that much. If he did, someone like Brett Ritchie wouldn't find himself on his right wing.

I was really impressed with Monahan's first 10 games of the season and thought he turned a serious corner, but then he fell back into his old tricks where he just appears totally disengaged unless he gets the puck on a platter. He is what he is at this point so the Flames need to find a way to get out from under his caphit

 

[lightstorm]

Bennett's worse than Monahan at this point. Monahan gets lambasted here by the likes of you and others for not doing enough now, but Bennett gets put into a perfect situation where simple plays turn into points, or pucks get bounced in off him, and he gets praised for it. Monahan's perception has been overcorrected, and years of praising Bennett for nothing have resulted in a lucky week being pounced on cause he won't be amounting to the same hype next year.

Bennett gets put into a perfect situation while poor Mony had to play with those duds Gaudreau, Hudler, Lindholm...