Salary Cap: Salary Cap Summer | The Hunt for 3C | Updated cap info in Post #1

[Peat]

First, it is a hypothetical.
Second, you are not accounting for the center we would get, and need.
Third, you are assuming we would pay Markov at 2x6. That is what he asked from the Habs. The Habs might not be able to afford him at that. My scenario would be a one year deal at 4.
Fourth, and most importantly, we would be better equipped to threepeat.

It would have to be a really good 3C to use Maatta instead of one of the wingers. I'm not dead set against the idea - and I think 1 x 4 is very unrealistic, I think we need to discuss whether you'd do it at 2 x 5 - but it would have to be a hell of a return.

 

[Nakawick]

Grim Rutherford is not JR. Not sure if JR has ever tweeted in his life.

 

[Nakawick]

It would have to be a really good 3C to use Maatta instead of one of the wingers. I'm not dead set against the idea - and I think 1 x 4 is very unrealistic, I think we need to discuss whether you'd do it at 2 x 5 - but it would have to be a hell of a return.

Of course the C would have to be good to move Maatta. Either a good young center for longer term or a big name guy to go for more cups now.

 

[ColePens]

Grim Rutherford is not JR. Not sure if JR has ever tweeted in his life.

Not sure if JR even has the internet. I think he has a bunch of old AOL CDs left in his mail pile.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

First, it is a hypothetical.
Second, you are not accounting for the center we would get, and need.
Third, you are assuming we would pay Markov at 2x6. That is what he asked from the Habs. The Habs might not be able to afford him at that. My scenario would be a one year deal at 4.
Fourth, and most importantly, we would be better equipped to threepeat.

1. All of these are hypotheticals. It's a message board, not the Pens' front office.

2. Tom Kuhnhackl and the Pens 2019 3rd round pick to Vegas for Cody Eakin. Fits under Pens current cap structure, Eakin is much better offensively than he played last year and is strong on faceoffs and on the PK. He's also 26 and under contract the next three seasons.

3. You're assuming Markov would take a cut in both years and cap. How is that logical? Nowhere has it been published that Markov is willing to take less than 2 years and that he wants $6 million. Dropping to $5 million I could see in order for him to secure that second year, but not $4 million.

4. Markov is better offensively than Maatta but is actually worse defensively. Maatta does a better job at suppressing shots as evidenced by the HERO chart I posted earlier in this thread. Plus, Maatta has room to grow whereas the 38-year-old Markov is more likely to decline.

Also, the Pens can't worry just about a three-peat. Sure, that's the immediate goal. But they have to balance that with being in position to remain competitive long-term. Having to sign a major defensive piece when so many forwards are already having their contracts expire is not good asset management. If the Pens had a bunch of young defensemen close to being ready in the NHL, it'd be a different story, but they don't.

 

[66-30-33]

Grim Rutherford is not JR. Not sure if JR has ever tweeted in his life.

He gets confused just at the signup page and takes a nap.

 

[Jacob]

I know it's a parody account but what is JS11?

 

[Pete Gas]

Yep, it's already an amazing off season! My buddy i watch Pens games with is not happy we let Fleury, Kunitz and the others go because they helped us win a cup and is worried now, i told him we just won back to back cups and we need to let players go so we can get fresher legs, hell younger legs even because of fatigue of keeping the band together will slow us down. It's true, if you're going to keep them around the whole team wiill be tired instead of just a few. Bring in new guys that aren't tired, that are wanting a cup and will do whatever they can to get us another cup. Hawks did that in their 3 cups in 6 years and it was a big reason for them getting those cups, gotta keep the team fresh and hungry. Shero wont understand.

Not sure if JR even has the internet. I think he has a bunch of old AOL CDs left in his mail pile.

His uses carrier pigeons that's why it's taking him this long for 3rd line center

 

[Pete Gas]

I know it's a parody account but what is JS11?

Jordan Staal 11

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I'll use this fresh thread to remind everyone that we just won a second straight Cup and promptly said goodbye to Kunitz, Fleury, and Steigerwald.

Alright JR.. Bozak has to be available as a cap dump. Go.

Yep. Time to talk to our old mutually beneficial trade buddy.

 

[Andy99]

Alright JR.. Bozak has to be available as a cap dump. Go.

Wow Toronto does need dump over $2 mil. Maybe we can get Bozak and just delay this infernal discussion over 3Cs until next summer.....

 

[66-30-33]

Hmmm i wonder if CBJ get Bozak now? they got the D.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Wow Toronto does need dump over $2 mil. Maybe we can get Bozak and just delay this infernal discussion over 3Cs until next summer.....

No they don't. Horton will go on LTIR.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Not sure if JR even has the internet. I think he has a bunch of old AOL CDs left in his mail pile.

He's waiting on this internet fad to pass. Besides, he's got a really great plan with American Telegraph.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I wonder if we do keep Schultz on the 1st PP. Sullivan might just go Letang just because he's the #1 D

I doubt it. Sullivan does not do things based on reputation, he is results-based.

It's refreshing.

So then the Penguins have to go out and sign or trade for another Top 4 defenseman, all while guys like Guentzel, Rust, Hornqvist, etc. have their contracts expire and get raises.

Bad. Asset. Management.

Maatta is 22, under contract for the next five years, and is very likely to improve. Trading him for a 3rd line center and signing Markov is just bad. Bad. Bad. Bad.

Well, what if we landed a 20-year-old 3C? Or a 23-year-old 3C? Does that change your tune?

Sure, Markov would be a short-term thing. His last 5 contracts have been a short-term thing. The man is ageless.

Besides, we have some defensemen waiting in the wings who could be ready by the time Markov is done...namely Lauzon.


Now, I don't think the Marleau signing means Bozak is anymore available than he was. Toronto (i.e. Babcock) does not want to break up the Matthews-Nylander combination. It's too good. I think it now gives them the option to deal JVR, but it might mean they are now willing to deal Connor Brown or Kapanen. OR, they simply keep all their forward depth and demote Hyman to the fourth line.

Toronto would want Maatta for Bozak. I'm not doing that.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I know it's a parody account but what is JS11?

Junk Science '11.

 

[Jacob]

All the Leafs fans were justifying the Hainsey deal because its 2 year duration won't interfere with raises to all their current rookies when they're RFAs... not sure how you justify this one.

Lamoriello is just not a cap guy.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Jetpack Sundae II: The Jetpackining.

 

[Sideline]

Wow Toronto does need dump over $2 mil. Maybe we can get Bozak and just delay this infernal discussion over 3Cs until next summer.....

Horton goes on LTIR for sure and I think Lupul does too. They actually have between 3 and 8 million in space depend on Lupul's status.

 

[ColePens]

All the Leafs fans were justifying the Hainsey deal because its 2 year duration won't interfere with raises to all their current rookies when they're RFAs... not sure how you justify this one.

Lamoriello is just not a cap guy.

I seriously hate everything about Lou. I hate his old culture where guys have to shave. He's such an old school guy and refused to come to today's world. I cannot stand him.

 

[Riptide]

I have no idea why you would be positive about this situation. We won two cups, cool. I want to win three. I want Crosby and Malkin to prove without a doubt they are the centerpieces of the first dynasty since the 1980 Oilers. A cup in the next two years does that. The issue with next year is we start having to pay our depth wingers which starts hurting us even more. Signing Bonino for 4x4 was the right move this off season. Rutherford struck out massively and now he has to overpay for a center that we hope fits our game.

Because we have 1 hole in our roster and 1 hole only. Sure it's an important one, but there are trade options out there to fill it.

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Kruger gets asked for his 7 team no trade list... and somehow Vegas doesn't make it onto that list?!

But Vegas picking him up... you have to wonder which or how many of their Cs would now be available.

 

[Peat]

I'd imagine Toronto dump JVR, not Bozak.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Scott Wilson and a 2nd for Bozak, make HBK part 2

 

[66-30-33]

Horton goes on LTIR for sure and I think Lupul does too. They actually have between 3 and 8 million in space depend on Lupul's status.

Maybe they target Markov then depending on Lupul.

 

[Jacob]

I seriously hate everything about Lou. I hate his old culture where guys have to shave. He's such an old school guy and refused to come to today's world. I cannot stand him.

Or the no bonuses BS, though I think he finally caved on that.

Plus he looks like the Toxic Avenger.